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The Julia Gillard is a useless PM thread

Hey! That mining tax of Gillard's is a winner.

First the Gillard party kicks and screams about releasing information that they promised they would furnish. When they are finally compelled to, they announce an embarrassingly small amount ($120mil in the first six months against a projected $2bil in its first year), and to add to the farce Swannie still tries and spin it as a positive.

It wouldn't matter at all I guess except they have already spent what they were expecting to receive.

*&%# Expletive deleted *&%$ useless!
 
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Gillard has her eyes on your superannuation folks.

She has run out of money and needs more, she has spent too much and made too many promises against too little income. Her taxes like the MMRT and Carbon tax will realise only the merest fraction of what was estimated now and in the future. Yet the commitments against that promised income have been made will remain (eg the disability insurance scheme and carbon tax compensation payments).

There is a lot of money just sitting there waiting to be harvested for a greedy government. Is retirement looming? Even if it's not you should start to worry; your future is looking like being robbed.
 
THE federal government's fiscal position continues to deteriorate, with new data showing a $22 billion deficit in the six months to December 2012.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...position-worsens/story-fn59nsif-1226579055792

How's that "No ifs, no buts" surplus coming Prime Minister? Treasurer?

What! Blown out even further?

So let me get this right, you promised a surplus and "failure was not an option". Now the very very skinny surplus has turned into a $22b deficit? And that's for just the first six months?!

Worlds greatest treasurer? Julia, seriously.... can you two even count?


What's that? Oh, the falling commodity prices are to blame? Not according to treasury:
TREASURY secretary Martin Parkinson has admitted the design of the mining tax is responsible for its failure to generate revenue, not the falling commodity prices, higher currency and state royalties blamed by the government.
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...bors-concessions/story-fn59nsif-1226578314817

Don't like the Australian. Try the AFR:
http://www.afr.com/p/national/mining_tax_flaws_to_be_investigated_tuV5fBDtSEcGr6zaJAd52L
 
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Hallo Alfie said:
Compelling indeed. :boggled:
Why and how?
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I have no idea why. The how is simply a matter of posting the same thing over and over, presumably in hope of a reaction.

I'm somewhat saddened that they occur but whatever, it's just the internet.

The main thing is that Ms Gillard continues to lead us from success to success, despite the worst wishes of teh Haters.

Sucks to be them.
 
Hallo Alfie said:
The tax free threshold was raised as part of the compensation for the carbon tax. People will not need compensation if the tax is not there. They will be no worse off under this arrangement.

Fail.
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You stated my post here is "invalid". I have asked you to explain why and how.

Akhenaten said:
I have no idea why.
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Colour me not surprised.

Hallo Alfie said:
The how is simply a matter of posting the same thing over and over, presumably in hope of a reaction.
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Wrong.
It was claimed Abbott would roll back taxes making people worse off. I have explained why that wont be the case. This is not repeating in hope of a reaction.

Can you now explain in what way my counterclaim to something factually and demonstrably incorrect is "invalid"? Or are you simply playing diversion to others' ignorance (not for the first time either)?
 
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Hallo Alfie said:
The ABC can ignore it no longer.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-15/federal-budget-2-4-billion-worse-than-expected/4522108
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Australia's financial status,

From Wikipedia

Public finances
Public debt 26.9% of GDP (2012 est.)[6]
Budget deficit $20.3 billion (2011–12)[7]
Revenues $473.2 billion (2011–12)[7]
Expenses $521.8 billion (2011–12)[7]
Economic aid donor: ODA, $7.7 billion (2012)[8]
Credit rating Standard & Poor's:[9]
AAA (Domestic)
AAA (Foreign)
AAA (T&C Assessment)
Outlook: Stable
Moody's:[10]
Aaa
Outlook: Stable
Fitch:[11]
AAA
Outlook: Stable
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Looks to me like Labor has done a good job, considering the state of the rest of the world's economies, including Western Nations. There is nothing wrong it, there a deficit this year of about 0.2%, which is meaningless except to those with a deficit fetish.
 
Why would you produce wiki (wiki, seriously?:rolleyes:) when the Labor pamphlet goes to the heart of things?

Firstly.
In these uncertain global times there’s no clearer sign of a strong economy than a surplus.
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So other signs are secondary. A surplus is the "clearest", "in these times". Consequently no surplus contributes massively to our uncertainty.

But here's the gift that keeps on giving....

We’ve delivered a surplus on time, as promised.
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This is quite probably the biggest lie I can recall in Australian federal politics. It epitomises the level of the deceit that we have come to expect from this government, under this PM and treasurer. It is also a very good example of the contempt they have for the intelligence of the electorate.

Good economic managers would not have painted themselves into the corner they have:
- The carbon tax will not generate the income they projected - yet they have spent and or promised the money already.
- Ditto the MRRT
- The 'no ifs, no buts', 'failure is not an option' fudget surplus (that was fiddled within an inch of its life to just put on paper) now is being given ifs, buts and excuses.
- They lied, and lied and still lie.
- They fell arse backwards into a mining boom and still managed to stuff it up.

Good economic managers do not do these things. Gillard and Swan do.
 
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a_unique_person said:
You can go by results, Australia's economy is just about the best performing on the whole globe, during the greatest economic crises since the Great Depression.
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Correct. Labor has managed the nation's economy excellently. 12th largest economy in the world. This must stick in the craw of Gillard haters, who wish for economic armageddon, which will not happen. At least until Abbott and Hockey get their hands on Treasury......
 
Akhenaten said:
Absolutely.

What a great PM Ms Gillard has turned out to be.
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She has her faults. ;) This fear and loathing campaign is beyond rational and destructive to Australian democracy. I have observed question time, and it is treated like an ad for Crazy Johns phones. The opposition under Abbott fails to realise he is now hated just as much as the target of their venom for just that reason.
 
lionking said:
Correct. Labor has managed the nation's economy excellently. 12th largest economy in the world. This must stick in the craw of Gillard haters, who wish for economic armageddon, which will not happen. At least until Abbott and Hockey get their hands on Treasury......
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If things are so good, why does Gillard et al keep repeating the lines "we feel your pain" (owtte)?
 
Abbott has successfully told people they are badly off, with the help of the Murdoch press. The fact is, new car sales are at record levels, housing prices are till high. On average, people are doing very well. A politician can never say that, of course.
 
In other words, when Julia says "I feel your pain" as she has done over and again, she is lying?
Colour me unsurprised.
 
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