New book on Scientology: Going Clear

Oh, 71st for only a dozen copies? Are there loyal officers resident in your sector of the Canada? They may launch raid-and-snatch missions. Good luck.

There is a CoS office downtown. No idea whether they will try to suppress the book - I hadn't thought of that. I would imagine they might be willing to pay a few lost-book fines to keep it out of public hands for a little longer. I'll have to keep an eye out for that. The book is still showing as "on order," so the library hasn't even received its copies yet.

Btw, Tim Horton's maple frosted rocks. You got nothing to worry about.

Damn straight! Timmy's is the home of all that is good and fattening.
 
I heard the author on Fresh Air talking about this book. If he was half as enamored of L Ron as he sounded in the interview, I have to think the book whitewashes a lot of the crap that Hubbard got up to. It could also have been that he didn't want to paint the guy as the piece of crap that he really was because that would mess up book sales...
 
From the NYT review, page 3:
But the fish that got away, Scientologists believed, was Steven Spielberg. He told Haggis that Scientologists “seem like the nicest people,” and Haggis responded that “we keep all the evil ones in the closet,”
Anyone know when Spielberg said this? Must have been before shooting War of the Worlds. He was quite miffed with the Scientology "ministers" setting up tents on the movie shoot. And then there is the hilarious story of the relationship between Spielberg and Cruise going south. Great win for the "tech". :rolleyes:
 
I heard the author on Fresh Air talking about this book. If he was half as enamored of L Ron as he sounded in the interview, I have to think the book whitewashes a lot of the crap that Hubbard got up to. It could also have been that he didn't want to paint the guy as the piece of crap that he really was because that would mess up book sales...

I read the book. He paints him as an obese, chain-smoking liar, a drunk, a bigamist, a pill-popper, a child abandoner, an inept sailor, an inept soldier, an occultist, a wife-beater, thief and crazy..

The book pulls no punches. I've read a lot about COS and Hubbard and the dirt Wright has dug up is phenomenal. All backed up with a ton of endnotes and footnotes.

He does think, however (and provides evidence), that Hubbard grew to believe in his nonsense and so thinks of him as more madman than con-man.
 
I read the book. He paints him as an obese, chain-smoking liar, a drunk, a bigamist, a pill-popper, a child abandoner, an inept sailor, an inept soldier, an occultist, a wife-beater, thief and crazy..

The book pulls no punches. I've read a lot about COS and Hubbard and the dirt Wright has dug up is phenomenal. All backed up with a ton of endnotes and footnotes.

He does think, however (and provides evidence), that Hubbard grew to believe in his nonsense and so thinks of him as more madman than con-man.
According to the book, Hubbard was a compulsive liar from the very start, and later in life developed symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. The picture painted was definitely that of a charismatic insane guy rather than a manipulative conman.
 
According to the book, Hubbard was a compulsive liar from the very start, and later in life developed symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia. The picture painted was definitely that of a charismatic insane guy rather than a manipulative conman.

I wonder if a mere conman could successfully start a major religion without eventually fooling even himself.
 
You wait all your life for a book on Scientology and then two come along at the same time...

There's also a book by a journalist called John Sweeney out now called Church of Fear. I think he had to self-publish because, as with other books on the subject, publishers are afraid of litigation.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Church-Fear-Scientology-ebook/dp/B00AQY300M

John Sweeney is famous for having made a BBC documentary in which he had a melt-down on camera after being chased around town by Scientologists. It didn't make him look good but I think he was somewhat provoked.
 
You wait all your life for a book on Scientology and then two come along at the same time...

There's also a book by a journalist called John Sweeney out now called Church of Fear. I think he had to self-publish because, as with other books on the subject, publishers are afraid of litigation.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Church-Fear-Scientology-ebook/dp/B00AQY300M

John Sweeney is famous for having made a BBC documentary in which he had a melt-down on camera after being chased around town by Scientologists. It didn't make him look good but I think he was somewhat provoked.

From Going Clear...

When Davis finished the EPF, he replaced Rinder as chief spokesperson for the church, because Rinder was confined to the Hole. One of his first assignments was to deal with John Sweeney, an aggressive reporter for the BBC, who was doing a story on Scientology and had been working with Rinder until then. Davis made the mistake of admitting to Sweeney that he reported to Miscavige every day, spoiling the illusion of the leader as being unavailable and above the fray. Miscavige pulled Rinder out of the Hole and ordered him to help Davis deal with the BBC, although he added, “You’re Tommy Davis’s servant.”
Sweeney immediately sensed that Rinder had been demoted. Rinder was “gaunt, hollow-eyed, strange with a hint of niceness.” Tommy was now “the top dog, gleaming teeth, snappily suited, charming but creepily so.” When Sweeney refused to accede to the church’s restrictions (mainly that he agree not to use the word “cult” in his report) and began independently reporting on the accusations of defectors, he was shadowed by private investigators. A Scientology film crew showed up to document the making of the BBC documentary. Cameras were pointed at cameras. Davis appeared unannounced at Sweeney’s hotel and even traveled across the country to disrupt his interviews with Scientology dissidents. Sweeney had covered wars in Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Chechnya, but he had never had such emotional and psychological pressure placed upon him. During these confrontations, Rinder trailed behind Davis, staring blankly into space as Davis goaded the reporter, inches from his face. When Sweeney suggested that Scientology is a “sadistic cult,” Davis, wearing sunglasses, checked with his cameraman to see that the camcorder was running, then said, “Now listen to me for a second. You have no right to say what is and what isn’t a religion. The Constitution of the United States of America guarantees one’s right to practice and believe freely in this country. And the definition of religion is very clear. And it’s not defined by John Sweeney. For you to repeatedly refer to my faith in those terms is so derogatory and so offensive and so bigoted. And the reason you kept repeating it is ’cause you wanted a reaction like you’re getting right now. Well, buddy, you got it! Right here, right now, I’m angry! Real angry!”

Davis turned and walked away, trailed by Sweeney, who protested, “It’s your turn to listen to me! I’m a British subject.… ”

Another confrontation took place at the “Psychiatry: An Industry of Death” exhibit in Hollywood. Davis once again moved in, nose to nose with Sweeney. “You’re accusing members of my religion of brainwashing!” He was referring to an earlier interview Sweeney had conducted with another Scientologist.
“No, Tommy,” Sweeney responded, his voice rising, “you were not there—”
“Brainwashing is a crime,” Davis said.
“Listen to me! You were not there! At the beginning! Of the interview!” Sweeney shouted in an oddly slow cadence. “You did not hear! Or record! The interview!”
“Do you understand that brainwashing is a crime?” Davis said, unfazed by Sweeney’s enraged screams.
Davis’s composure and his spirited defense of his church made quite a contrast with the sputtering and eventually deeply chagrined reporter, who apologized to BBC viewers on the air.”

Excerpt From: Wright, Lawrence. “Going Clear (Enhanced Edition).” Knopf, 2013-01-17. iBooks.
 
I read the book. He paints him as an obese, chain-smoking liar, a drunk, a bigamist, a pill-popper, a child abandoner, an inept sailor, an inept soldier, an occultist, a wife-beater, thief and crazy..

The book pulls no punches. I've read a lot about COS and Hubbard and the dirt Wright has dug up is phenomenal. All backed up with a ton of endnotes and footnotes.

He does think, however (and provides evidence), that Hubbard grew to believe in his nonsense and so thinks of him as more madman than con-man.

Thanks, Kajata. That sounds like what I'd expect from Lawrence Wright.

His Pulitzer Prize winning "The Looming Tower" was a brilliant book, and extremely, thoroughly researched.
 
hgc - here I am!

And here is a resource for looking at that book from a different perspective:

http://www.lawrencewrightgoingclear.com/

I see that one of their tactics is to put a very unflattering photo of Wright on the cover. I also see that while they spend a lot of time discrediting some of Wright's sources and certain facts, they don't really address any of the broad points of the book.
 
Read Inside Scientology by Janet Reitman a while ago. She tried to maintain a fair and balanced approach too, until the subject of Lisa McPherson came up. She spent several chapters on that one, and she paints a rather horrifying picture of what happened.
 
I see that one of their tactics is to put a very unflattering photo of Wright on the cover. I also see that while they spend a lot of time discrediting some of Wright's sources and certain facts, they don't really address any of the broad points of the book.


I haven't read the book so can't comment upon any of the broad points. I would assume one's resource's for the broad points would be relevant to the validity of said points though I could be wrong as I haven't read the book in question.
 
Read Inside Scientology by Janet Reitman a while ago. She tried to maintain a fair and balanced approach too, until the subject of Lisa McPherson came up. She spent several chapters on that one, and she paints a rather horrifying picture of what happened.

I have a dream. That next month one of the winners at the Academy Awards would accept their prize while wearing a "Google Lisa McPherson" t-shirt in front of tens of million people watching worldwide.

A silly dream but the stir it would cause.:D
 
hgc - here I am!

And here is a resource for looking at that book from a different perspective:

http://www.lawrencewrightgoingclear.com/

Seen it already, thanks. It does leave me wondering why there is no live person representing the church speaking to journalists about various issues so much in the public eye. It seems quite odd, but I assume the PR tech is working as it's supposed to.

In any case, I was wondering what you make of all the entheta getting about these days. First there's Going Clear getting a lot of press, then there's the Garcias' lawsuit alleging fraud in superpower fundraising. Oh, and then there's Narcanon Georgia about to be shut down by the state.

When do you think the Superpower Building will open?
 
Seen it already, thanks.

Does that mean you saw the web site and read it all or you just saw the site?

Edited to add...or did you read a part of it and if so which parts? Curious as to your take on the alternative view this website presents.
 
In any case, I was wondering what you make of all the entheta getting about these days. First there's Going Clear getting a lot of press, then there's the Garcias' lawsuit alleging fraud in superpower fundraising. Oh, and then there's Narcanon Georgia about to be shut down by the state.


You know by now how the CoS will publicly answer questions like that. "We welcome these developments because they help call attention to all the good we are doing bla bla bla."

So we'll have to imagine for ourselves the actual reactions behind the scenes. Money being hurriedly stuffed into leather bags, bumbling admirals being Force-choked in mid apology, phones at the FBI ringing off the hook with calls from would-be informants seeking immunity...
 
Good find - I'll read it.

I've had a few funny encounters with CoS members, and the whole org is an interesting study.
 
Does that mean you saw the web site and read it all or you just saw the site?

Edited to add...or did you read a part of it and if so which parts? Curious as to your take on the alternative view this website presents.

I read the first part, and skimmed through some of the rest. Since I haven't read Wright's book, I'm not going to commit much time to reading this rebuttal. I did notice that it employs the same puerile manner and host of logical fallacies that are always used in Freedom Magazine and these various hit-job websites. There's only so much of it I can take.

You may not realize, fredcarr, that these articles are not intended for me anyway. They're intended for you. I can promise you that almost no one outside the church would be moved by that article. If they intended for outsiders to believe it, they wouldn't toss around the "apostate" epithet, for instance. No one considers apostasy from a religion that they don't adhere to as a fault or discrediting feature.

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When do you think the Superpower Building will open?

Do you see a lot of fresh faces at your local org on a daily basis?
 
I haven't read the book so can't comment upon any of the broad points. I would assume one's resource's for the broad points would be relevant to the validity of said points though I could be wrong as I haven't read the book in question.

So do thetans go to Mars or to Venus to have their memories erased after they die?
 

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