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Doctor Plop said:
As a fellow pathetic would-be-opressor male, I often want to learn how to make money by excusing trendy male magicians who pretend to skid their cars during heavy rain.

I would like to go to Atheism+ to do this.
But I know I'd be punished for feigning aquaplaning David Blaine splaining gaining training.
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If there is any post on this forum that is ban-worthy....
 
Stout said:
I'm caught wondering how many statements, RW's for instance, or claims that receiving unwanted PMs can trigger shutdowns that last for days are, in fact, real or simply a case of acting for the cameras.
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Most of it seems that way. A painfully unpleasant game of one-up-man-ship grossly exaggerated by GIFT and favourable in-group feedback. It's like the worst sort of high-school clique with any and all filters removed.
 
@recursive prophet, apology acknowledged, accepted and appreciated.

recursive prophet said:
...when I twice posted a moving smiley with just a little red I hid it with a trigger alert.
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So you played by their rules, as is appropriate on their site. That seems right and proper to me.

recursive prophet said:
So yes, it would be a problem if I posted this :mad: there, especially if it moved which I'm told is still another issue. Yet if Setar did it; no problem.
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*cough* You do realize that you are presenting a hypothesis there, which AFAICS cannot realistically be tested... ;)

chillzero said:
If I had a disability triggered by something visible, and I wanted to use the internet and still function at the end of the day, I expect I would take some responsibility and use a monochrome monitor setup, turn down the one colour that's an issue, or disable images as much as possible .... rather than ... you know ... expect every site I use to manage this on my behalf.

I have some disabilities / issues triggered by avoidable things, and I tend to think it is better for me to take what steps I can to avoid the problem, than to expect the world to conform to my needs (where it is unreasonable, and often in conflict with other people's needs).
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recursive prophet said:
This ^. Chill always was better than I at cutting to the chase.
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Chill's comment is certainly good general advice, but how is it specifically relevant to the A+ forum? I cannot see any conflict between on the one hand an e.g. epileptic Internet user taking various general precautions and on the other hand a specific web site offering e.g. epileptics a chance to relax with their precautions and experience that forum's communication more fully. That forum is thus, AFAICS, simply taking some extra steps to welcome e.g. epileptics in particular. If the people who own/run the forum want to do that and the membership in general does not mind, what's the harm?

I have not read anything about "big tent", so I'll try to make the time to search for that (thank the FSM for Google!) before I express opinions about whatever "big tent" is.
 
Ronja: Thanks for another thoughtful reply. I was nearly finished a long, detailed reply when I accidentally lost it. I'll never learn to always write replies in word then paste them in. Getting old so sucks. Now i'm out of time. So in summary:

I cited my hiding smileys like this :mad: to show it was required, which you questioned earlier. We can't test directly whether Setar wouldn't have been criticized for posting one, but there is ample evidence just itt the 'less privileged than thou' crowd are treated very differently than others.

A+ is billed as part of the social justice movement. That is a much bigger tent than epilepsy. By their erratic focusing on the protection of a very select few, who as Chill pointed out can easily protect themselves, the many become marginalized and are attacked. If they attempt to rebut being dismissed as a troll, they are soon banned or suspended for a month. There are many examples if you just go through that mod thread in forum matters.

Their list of those banned has 66 names, and is far from complete. On average there are about 12 users logged in and perhaps another dozen guests. Less than half the number they acknowledge were banned and not including those given long suspensions. Frequently the insults continue even after the users are booted off and unable to defend themselves.

Here's a link to their 'big tent' concept: http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1973#p30501 See if you agree with Setar. And consider this: are they not marginalizing far more within their small tent than in any way enlightening? That's what the numbers clearly suggest. I would also point out that there is quite a consensus among those like myself who have spent a lot of time reading at A+ that they thrive on net drama and belittling any who dare question their philosophy or actions. I suspect the more time you spend reading there the more you will agree. :)
 
Kay, so another person tried to honestly approach the "vegan challenge" and was kicked out and in the locked thread with their posts all the posts are hidden with the text being the Mod's witty summary of their posts.

Some things can't be made up.

Also a person as a "witty joke" posted one of their versions of my argument with a </Tsukasa Buddha> tag for their mocking post in the thread I've been kicked out of. And a mod didn't seem to care.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
Kay, so another person tried to honestly approach the "vegan challenge" and was kicked out and in the locked thread with their posts all the posts are hidden with the text being the Mod's witty summary of their posts.

Some things can't be made up.

Also a person as a "witty joke" posted one of their versions of my argument with a </Tsukasa Buddha> tag for their mocking post in the thread I've been kicked out of. And a mod didn't seem to care.
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What's funny to me is that these people live in such a sheltered little echo chamber that they don't realize they're being laughed at. And it's hard to advance your cause when people are not ignoring or disagreeing with you, but literally laughing at you.
 
Every time I visit there I'm reminded of PG Wodehouse's brilliant summation of communism: You work for the equal distribution of property and start by collaring all you can and sitting on it.

Plussers work for SJ and start by screaming "Check your privilege" at one another and arguing over which of them is the biggest victim. It's comedy gold.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
Kay, so another person tried to honestly approach the "vegan challenge" and was kicked out and in the locked thread with their posts all the posts are hidden with the text being the Mod's witty summary of their posts.

Some things can't be made up.
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I'd have thought there was a lot of overlap between vegan and SJ. Certainly that's been the case with the vegans I've known. So I'm absolutely boggled that A+ considers vegans to be outgroup.
 
Empress said:
Plussers work for SJ and start by screaming "Check your privilege" at one another and arguing over which of them is the biggest victim. It's comedy gold.
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dasmiller said:
I'd have thought there was a lot of overlap between vegan and SJ. Certainly that's been the case with the vegans I've known. So I'm absolutely boggled that A+ considers vegans to be outgroup.
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Can one of you cisgendered gender traitors mansplain to me what "SJ" is?
 
dasmiller said:
I'd have thought there was a lot of overlap between vegan and SJ. Certainly that's been the case with the vegans I've known. So I'm absolutely boggled that A+ considers vegans to be outgroup.
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I know. Veganism and Animal Rights fit right in with the Social Justice continuum, and many arguments almost mirror ones from other "causes".

Apparently they think that supporting Animal Rights is to the exclusion of supporting Human Rights.
 
squealpiggy said:
The legal test is do you believe that the person making the threat has the capacity and the will to carry it out. So when my mother says "I'll bloody kill you!" it's not a criminal threat while when a man I saw breaking into the neighbour's car says "If you call the police I'll stab you to death" then it is.

In this circumstance saying "you should get raped then maybe you'll loosen up a bit" wouldn't constitute a criminal threat in the same way that "I am going to find you and rape you" would. Still if you are feeling threatened by comments made online then you can and should report them. All of them.
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That's an interesting perspective, thanks for the info. I naturally assumed that there's be huge teams of law enforcement working on tracking down the issuers of these threats and interviewing them.

Maybe RW isn't treating them as real either
 
luchog said:
Most of it seems that way. A painfully unpleasant game of one-up-man-ship grossly exaggerated by GIFT and favourable in-group feedback. It's like the worst sort of high-school clique with any and all filters removed.
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Spot on assessment I'd say, and totally counterproductive to any sort of "movement" that's trying to grow itself. It seems to be SOP for most SJ movements with the values of equality and fairness merely being nothing but the writing on the tin.
 
dasmiller said:
I'd have thought there was a lot of overlap between vegan and SJ. Certainly that's been the case with the vegans I've known. So I'm absolutely boggled that A+ considers vegans to be outgroup.
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Yes one would think the issues would go hand in hand. Most vegans I've known, however, haven't been SJWs , they've simply taken their commitment to not harming animals to the next level. I've never met a vegan who appears malnourished or harmed in any way by their diet also I've never met a vegan evangelist either.

The problem with being vegan and SJ is that vegan is seen as a "luxury" diet so it play to class issues. There's also concern over traditional societies diets incurring the ire of the vegans so we can frame that as being racist as well.

I wonder what would happen if someone started a thread over on A+ about shark finning ?
 
Stout said:
That's an interesting perspective, thanks for the info. I naturally assumed that there's be huge teams of law enforcement working on tracking down the issuers of these threats and interviewing them.

Maybe RW isn't treating them as real either
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The amount of resources devoted by law enforcement to tracking down people who make threats is proportional to the threat they represent. A message from Germany to the US saying that someone deserves a raping is not going to warrant much investigation, whereas a message from an ISP in Las Vegas saying "I am going to rape you at TAM" probably is. A message saying "I am going to bomb TAM" is likely to garner an even greater response.

There's something else: You get a threatening email report it to their ISP. Someone tells you you should be raped on Facebook then report it to Facebook. All it takes is a single click.

Police will get calls for someone sending them harassing messages on Facebook and yet they haven't taken the simple step of clicking Block/Report.

There's a lot you can do to protect yourself.
 
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