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No, you didn't, you just pasted it from here You didn't "summarise and condense" anything, you simply pasted a block of text. Plagiarism much?

She does, indeed, plagiarize much. She was demonstrated that before in this very thread several times.

ETA: No, that's not quite correct. It would be better described as recycling dogma with no thought as to its substance, just that it is on the approved list.
 
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By the way, for those who don't know there are plagiarism checkers.

According to Plagiarism Checker Janadelle scored 0% unique content for the text she claims to have "summarized and condensed".
 
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It is perfectly clear what I believe, and that is the Gospel of Jesus Christ as per the Doctrines and teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints... which is the topic of this thread, not the Gospel of Janadele.

No, you really don't. You might think you do but you don't. If you did really believe you wouldn't be sticking your fingers in your ears and humming really loudly when confronted with evidence contrary to the BoM. You're a lot closer to my worldview than you are to Smith's.
 
SHall we get started on the incredible anarachronisms in the BOM and other of Joseph Smith's writings because of Smith;s total ignorance that the English language changed a LOT between 1611 and the 1820's?

Joseph Smith striked me as a sort of 19th century L Ron Hubbard except that Hubbard was smart enough not to preach doctrine that would create legal problems.....
 
No, you didn't, you just pasted it from here You didn't "summarise and condense" anything, you simply pasted a block of text.
I have never before visited the site you mention. No I have not "pasted a block of text", as you would know if you actually read the posts. To do so would require posting many many pages in order to answer the questions. Selecting appropriate sentences and reorganising in order to summarise and condense into the main points to answer the question is not "pasting a block of text". I have written confirmation from the LDS Church that: "Jesus the Christ is in the public domain, and there are no copyright issues to consider." As I posted earlier, I am at present recording an audio book of Jesus The Christ by James E. Talmage, as it is of special interest to me. I recommend anyone who is actually interested in the facts to purchase the book.
 
A reminder that the topic of this thread is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, its teachings Scriptures and Doctrines. This does not include anti-Mormon propaganda.
 
I have never before visited the site you mention. No I have not "pasted a block of text", as you would know if you actually read the posts. To do so would require posting many many pages in order to answer the questions. Selecting appropriate sentences and reorganising in order to summarise and condense into the main points to answer the question is not "pasting a block of text". I have written confirmation from the LDS Church that: "Jesus the Christ is in the public domain, and there are no copyright issues to consider." As I posted earlier, I am at present recording an audio book of Jesus The Christ by James E. Talmage, as it is of special interest to me. I recommend anyone who is actually interested in the facts to purchase the book.

...Your date for "Adam" and "Eve"?
...Your date for the global flood?
 
A reminder that the topic of this thread is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, its teachings Scriptures and Doctrines. This does not include anti-Mormon propaganda.

And some of the discussion (that you are unwilling to have) does involve at looking at other sources beyond that of the LDS church and teachings. If you find something to be 'Anti-Mormon propaganda', then you need to explain why it is so, where it is wrong, and how it is wrong.
 
A reminder that the topic of this thread is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, its teachings Scriptures and Doctrines. This does not include anti-Mormon propaganda.

Ignoring the dishonesty of Smith is a bit like ignoring an elephant in the room. You can't separate Smith's lies from LDS. The dishonesty is intertwined in everything the LDS believe.
 
A reminder that the topic of this thread is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, its teachings Scriptures and Doctrines. This does not include anti-Mormon propaganda.

No, Janadele. You can continue to dismiss everything you don't like as "anti-Mormon propaganda," and you will still be challenged.
 
By the way, for those who don't know there are plagiarism checkers.

According to Plagiarism Checker Janadelle scored 0% unique content for the text she claims to have "summarized and condensed".

Alas, while the score is probably fair, the tool is comparing text against what can be found on the web. This being a public section of the forums, just about every post will get a 0% unique score within a few hours of posting.
 
You mean blood atonement as in the killing of apostates, right?

I think the evidence is pretty solid that they supported blood atonement, in the sense of executing convicted criminals in a way that spilled their blood (firing squad rather than hanging, for example).

The problem is that the evidence I've seen (and admittedly I haven't looked into it a whole lot, so there's lots out there that I haven't seen) tends to be the murderers themselves saying the order came from higher up, but the higher ups themselves denying it. Of course both sides would have an incentive to lie to pass the responsibility, depending what the actual truth was.

What's the best example of evidence, that shows Brigham Young or Joseph Smith specifically ordering a murder?



I always figured it was because the Book of Mormon was supposed to sound like the Old Testament, and the Old Testament is the same way.

Do you think that Mormons were significantly more violent than Protestants at the same time and place?

Edited to add: I think that both were similar, with the violence gradually escalating from things like mobs and tar & feathering, to frontier-style murders, as the Mormons moved toward the more-violent frontier, so both sides were using their religion (or hatred of another religion) to justify actions that were actually more affected by the larger cultural norms around them.


I think I have made my low opinion of Joseph SMith and LDS "Historical" Doctrine clear, but what happened with the Mormons in Missouri and Illinois in the 1830's and 40's is the single worst case of religious persecution in US History. Granted, the Mormon Leadership did a lot of very stupid things,but that does not excuse the mob actions, which bear a scary resembelence to the Pogroms agains the Jews in Russia a few years later.

And, of course, a few years later this caused massive paranoia among the Mormons in Utah, which lead to incidents like The Mountains Meadows Massacre. IMHO although the local LDS officials were very guilty of being involved in it, Brigham Young was not, Young was way to smart then to do something like that.
 
And some of the discussion (that you are unwilling to have) does involve at looking at other sources beyond that of the LDS church and teachings. If you find something to be 'Anti-Mormon propaganda', then you need to explain why it is so, where it is wrong, and how it is wrong.

No I do not, nor do I intend to. I have no time nor interest in reading, thinking about, or discussing the lies, misinterpretations, and nonsense of anti-Mormon propaganda. It is entirely inappropriate to this thread.

Another thread should be started by those who wish to waste their time on this false mentality. This thread is on actual LDS teachings, Scriptures and Doctrines, NOT fabrications.
 
No I do not, nor do I intend to. I have no time nor interest in reading, thinking about, or discussing the lies, misinterpretations, and nonsense of anti-Mormon propaganda. It is entirely inappropriate to this thread.

Another thread should be started by those who wish to waste their time on this false mentality. This thread is on actual LDS teachings, Scriptures and Doctrines, NOT fabrications.

No. The thread is 'LDS'. It i a broad topic. Some peple want to actually have a discussion, and not be preached to. Only three people in this thread believe that the LDS church is true. The rest of us do not. SO we will find sources that go against Mormon teachings, and they will still be about the LDS church.

As well, I haven't seen anything that is 'Anti-Mormon propaganda', But then, you only post 'Pro-Mormon Propaganda', and we can see it for what it is.

We're trying to have a discussion. Cat Tale is willing to have a Discussion. You aren't. All you are doing is preaching.
 
Alas, while the score is probably fair, the tool is comparing text against what can be found on the web. This being a public section of the forums, just about every post will get a 0% unique score within a few hours of posting.

For what it's worth, though the words are taken from Talmage, she apparently made an original choice of what to include and what to leave out.

For example, see if you can find "twinkling of an eye. Among the earliest revelations" as a phrase elsewhere on the web. (Google it in quotes.) That's the end of one sentence from Talmage combined with the beginning of another sentence from Talmage. Only Janadele seems to have left out the middle portion and run them together in that combination.

By comparison, "then die in peace or be changed to immortality in the twinkling of an eye" can be found all over the web as Talmage's work, because she omitted nothing in the midst of that phrase.
 
No I do not, nor do I intend to. I have no time nor interest in reading, thinking about, or discussing the lies, misinterpretations, and nonsense of anti-Mormon propaganda.
How do you know if it's lies, misinterpretations or nonsense if you never read or think about it?

By the way, thank you for finally accepting the regular convention of posting your responses after the quote. It really does make what you post easier to read. I (and undoubtedly others) appreciate it.
 
No I do not, nor do I intend to. I have no time nor interest in reading, thinking about, or discussing the lies, misinterpretations, and nonsense of anti-Mormon propaganda. It is entirely inappropriate to this thread.

Another thread should be started by those who wish to waste their time on this false mentality. This thread is on actual LDS teachings, Scriptures and Doctrines, NOT fabrications.


Nonsense. The thread topic is Mormonism and the LDS Church, and very broadly so. In case you have forgotten, here's the opening post to kick the thread off:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also known as LDS /Mormon, is a Christian denomination, but is neither Protestant nor Catholic... it is the restored Church of Jesus Christ, with eternal doctrines and teachings dating back to the days of Adam, and to our pre mortal existence.


The thread is not limited to pro-Mormon propaganda nor the lies and fabrications of its scriptures and doctrines, although those are allowed discussion areas, and it is certainly no restricted from exploring the facts of the Church's history and of its scriptures and doctrines.


How sad for you, though, that your faith is so very, very weak that it would not withstand even the mildest inspection. Living in constant fear you may be wrong must be ever so hard on you.
 
Why should I bother researching the date when you can do so yourself and my efforts to so for you will not be appreciated.

...because I am asking for your opinion, and have been doing so, patiently. You say that you believe that all humans are descended form one breeding pair, the pair you identify as "Adam" and "Eve". I would like to know when, in your opinion, this happened. At what time in history, in your opinion, did "Adam" and "Eve" live?

...because I am asking for your opinion, and have been doing so, patiently. You say you believe that the global flood described in Genesis is an actual event. I would like to know when, in your opinion, this happened.
 
For what it's worth, though the words are taken from Talmage, she apparently made an original choice of what to include and what to leave out.

For example, see if you can find "twinkling of an eye. Among the earliest revelations" as a phrase elsewhere on the web. (Google it in quotes.) That's the end of one sentence from Talmage combined with the beginning of another sentence from Talmage. Only Janadele seems to have left out the middle portion and run them together in that combination.

By comparison, "then die in peace or be changed to immortality in the twinkling of an eye" can be found all over the web as Talmage's work, because she omitted nothing in the midst of that phrase.


Yes, she did selectively copy the text and rearrange some of it. Still, I do not think that qualifies as "summarizing", which is what she claimed, and it challenges the meaning of "condensed", which she also claimed.
 
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