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I suspect the reference is to this:Parenthetically, I think that Ben Franklin would have found it hilarious to be baptized postumously as a Mormon. John Wesley, on the other hand, would have been pissed. :)

I'd think the apostles would be mighty surprised to find that even though they'd seen JC in the flesh they now had to believe in JS to be saved.:D
 
Despite the fact that you are a Spiritual child of "a God", our Heavenly Father, you and most mortals are most probably not worthy of "a one-on-one physical encounter with a god." You are in no position to demand a personal manifestation.
Actually we all are. We've been promised.

James 1:5 said:
If any of you lacketh wisdom, let him ask of God, who giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given to him.
 
Wiki cites from anti-Mormon propaganda and does not usually present the true facts regarding The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Much of the information found at Wikipedia regarding the LDS Church is false and misleading.

You mean sort of like telling people this tribe of Israelites brought barley to the New World when they really didn't is misleading?
 
The Lord has given all the evidence he needs to give. Every opportunity has been given to mankind to be able to progress through the eternities. Each individual is responsible for their own salvation. Ignore the Gospel of Jesus Christ at your peril, and spend the eternities regretting the decisions made in mortality.

Why did an omnipotent god ensure that anyone with an ounce of credulity or intellectual honesty would have to reject the BoM? If your god wanted people to believe the book surely he/she/it would not have put in so many obvious fabrications. Why the obvious made up story about the tribe of Israel? Why get the whole agriculture and technology thing so hopelessly wrong? Does your go only want to gullible? It's odd behavior to send a message that's demonstrably wrong.

Now I know you're going to say there are no errors in the BoM. Just understand that your beliefs have no impact on the existence of the errors.
 
Kinda like responding to criticisms of the BoM with accusations of "anti-Mormonism."
It soothes the cognitive dissonance. The Mormon Church, like many if not most, have a number of cognitive techniques to keep members from leaving. One of these is to not allow oneself to get to deep below the superficial propaganda.

  1. The Church is true.
  2. Anything that conflicts with #1 is wrong.
  3. If you are asked a difficult question remember #1.
 
You mean sort of like telling people this tribe of Israelites brought barley to the New World when they really didn't is misleading?

Are you saying except for the ' bringing barley ' part, you really wouldn't have a problem with Israelites migrating to the Americas back whenever?


Really people, the term ' barley ' shouldn't be the meat here..
 
Are you saying except for the ' bringing barley ' part, you really wouldn't have a problem with Israelites migrating to the Americas back whenever?


Really people, the term ' barley ' shouldn't be the meat here..

Indeed. I wonder if Joseph Smith ever encountered British Israelism?

A bit of googling shows it is a distinct possibility, and the idea was apparently well known in the church.
British Israelism is alive and well among British Mormons. It’s not something you’d hear very often from the pulpit, but when asked to explain the tremendous missionary success of mid-19th century in Britain, and Britain’s prominence on the world stage, I think many British Mormons would use some form of British Israelism.
 
Indeed. I wonder if Joseph Smith ever encountered British Israelism?

A bit of googling shows it is a distinct possibility, and the idea was apparently well known in the church.

For reference, here's a link again to this handy summary of examples of non-Mormon late-18th/early-19th century beliefs that the American Indians were descendants of the lost tribes, which I originally posted in the middle part of this post. It wasn't unique to Smith at the time, but has survived on in the LDS religion more than anyplace else.

I hadn't heard of British Israelism before. Interesting how the same concept was used.
 
I never heard of it. Interesting.

There is also the apocryphal story that Christ visited the British Isles (in The BofM Christ visits America). See And did those feet in ancient time which was put to music, Jerusalem.

Yes, I was going to mention that too, as I've always assumed that was connected to the British Israelites, but reading around I realised it's a different legend entirely.
 
I have zero interest in responding to time wasting imbecile questions or comments which have no relevance to our eternal progression or to the actual teachings and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Thank you for this post. Simply repeating recycled dogma or links to Mormon propaganda sites with little or no comment isn't useful. It is vacuous and doesn't advance a meaningful discussion. This post, on the other hand, gives us insight into what you really believe and how those beliefs impact you.

Thanks for this candid glimpse of your true self.

Well, Janadele, and Skyrider certainly show me the true face of Mormonism.

No, I would not conclude that.
 
Thank you for this post. Simply repeating recycled dogma or links to Mormon propaganda sites with little or no comment isn't useful. It is vacuous and doesn't advance a meaningful discussion. This post, on the other hand, gives us insight into what you really believe and how those beliefs impact you.

Thanks for this candid glimpse of your true self.



No, I would not conclude that.

Perhaps I was hasty. However, it is rather revealing into these two ho.. refuse discussion.
 
You make a reckless, unsupportable charge--one that has been dear to the hearts of critics for generations. I will deal with it in a separate post.

The public record in the matter indicates otherwise. The charge is neither reckless nor unsupportable. It is a matter of documented fact.

The folly of what you state in the remainder of this post (and in previous ones) is readily exposed and dispatched, as follows:

1. You believe that the terminal sentence in the introduction (original version) refers exclusively to the Book of Ether, which consists of circa 30 pages. By your lights only that book is susceptible to error, and the 487 pages encompassed by the first paragraph are not. That makes no sense, yet it's your position.

That would be a straw man, and that is certainly not my position. The sentence does not refer to the translation at all.

2. You fail to understand that the purpose of an introduction is to introduce readers to the entire contents of a book, or at a minimum to give them an overview of it. But the introduction you endorse--to reiterate-- addresses about 30 pages and ignores 487 pages.

Repeating your bit of fiction does not improve its truth.

3. You do not realize that "fault" in the original introduction functions as a collective noun, thus it is applicable not only to both paragraphs but to the Book of Mormon in its entirety.

Didn't I mention the word was used as a collective noun, equivalent to usage of the word, sin, as in, "And if there be sin..."?

4. You haven't examined the headnotes at the beginning of each chapter in the BoM. Do you see any paragraphing in them? What do you see instead? You see em dashes, even though the subject matter changes (sometimes dramatically).

The em-dashes in question were not in the original. It matters not at all what you've found in later editions.

5. You apparently believe--with a league of critics--that circa 3,000 changes have been made in the BoM text. What you don't seem to understand is that those changes (whatever the number) deal almost exclusively with punctuation, capitalization, and spelling, which fall into the very issue we have been discussing.

You presume too much, and it is an irrelevant distraction to this discussion.

6. Apparently, you do not accept amendments to the U.S. Constitution. If you did, you would understand that while Article 8 makes no reference to errors in the BoM, Joseph Smith admitted that the book was not pristine--on at least two occasions. In other words, he clarified/amended Article 8.

Boy, are you reaching with that one. You bring up amendments to the Constitution of the United States? Seriously? As far as the eighth Article of Faith, you'd think if the good Church leadership were so willing to correct the Book of Mormon, then they'd be just as willing to correct the Articles.

In short, your position isn't credible. The concluding sentence refers to the Book of Mormon in its entirety, and the notion that it refers only to the people of Jared is ludicrous.

So you say. When your argument has substance, please let me know. Meanwhile, the Articles of Faith remain in conflict with your position. Your sole attempt to reconcile the two is to claim Joseph Smith amended the Articles of Faith by not changing them.
 
Perhaps I was hasty. However, it is rather revealing into these two ho.. refuse discussion.


Hasty may not be the right adjective. I had similar thoughts, too, so it is a very easy generalization to make. It also helps emphasize the point that they are not acting as good ambassadors of the faith they so cherish. Still, we cannot judge everyone of a particular religion by the antics of just two individuals.
 
Hasty may not be the right adjective. I had similar thoughts, too, so it is a very easy generalization to make. It also helps emphasize the point that they are not acting as good ambassadors of the faith they so cherish. Still, we cannot judge everyone of a particular religion by the antics of just two individuals.

I find the Missionaries when they come around to be polite. They always ask if there's anything they could do for me. Alas, they were never around when I was painting the house.
 
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