Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[Clayton Moore]

Delivery systems

There are several new delivery systems in development[when?] in the hope of making vaccines more efficient to deliver. Possible methods include liposomes and ISCOM (immune stimulating complex).[44]

The latest developments[when?] in vaccine delivery technologies have resulted in oral vaccines. A polio vaccine was developed and tested by volunteer vaccinations with no formal training; the results were positive in that the ease of the vaccines increased. With an oral vaccine, there is no risk of blood contamination. Oral vaccines are likely to be solid which have proven to be more stable and less likely to freeze[citation needed]; this stability reduces the need for a "cold chain": the resources required to keep vaccines within a restricted temperature range from the manufacturing stage to the point of administration, which, in turn, may decrease costs of vaccines. A microneedle approach, which is still in stages of development, uses "pointed projections fabricated into arrays that can create vaccine delivery pathways through the skin".[45]

A nanopatch is a needle free vaccine delivery system which is under development. A stamp-sized patch similar to an adhesive bandage contains about 20,000 microscopic projections per square inch.[46] When worn on the skin, it will deliver vaccine directly to the skin, which has a higher concentration of immune cells than that in the muscles[citation needed], where needles and syringes deliver. It thus increases the effectiveness of the vaccination using a lower amount of vaccine used in traditional syringe delivery system

If you read the above carefully it tells you oral vaccines are less problematic than injections.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Wow. You are desperately shifting those goalposts, but you just can't decide where best to drop them, can you?

There is only ONE goalpost. There are innumerable angles.

 

[Chris Haynes]

The guy talks about his infant son's huge testicles. I see child neglect outside and big whoopers inside of his tiny self absorbed world.

This shows the width and depth of your reading. Obviously you have no clue what happened to Olivia Dahl when she was hospitalized with measles, and nor do you care. It is all about being as obnoxious as possible and ignoring actual facts.

 

[dafydd]

There is only ONE goalpost. There are innumerable angles.

Your goalposts are rocket powered and very rarely touch the ground.

 

[TheRedWorm]

About time you (sort of) answer a direct question...

Anyway, you are wrong. Both my parents lived through the 50 and both feared a whole bunch of infectious diseases that we now vaccinate against. Granted, they both feared polio more than anything, just like people seem to fear cancer in the U.S., even though heart disease kills more people.

Now, on the subject of polio, how about you answer for the rest of the diseases that we currently vaccinate against. All of them, taken together, are surly more dangerous that autism will ever hope to be, don't you think?

Clayton,

What do I have to do to get you to answer my question?

You have implied earlier that you think a diagnosis of autism is similar to a death sentence.

I will try to keep hyperbole out of this as much as possible, so here goes:

Would I (who has a diagnosis of autism) be better off dead?

I know that this is not the same question I asked before (not that you'd remember, or else you might have answered it already), but I think it is essentially the same.

Now, be a good boy and answer it.

Please?

It's almost as if these questions are invisible...

 

[Clayton Moore]

Proof, please.

Proof, please.

There you go.

 

[TheRedWorm]

It's almost as if these questions are invisible...

Yep, invisible. Or just terribly inconvenient to the CT crowd.

 

[dafydd]

There you go.

That's a sign of intelligence? Prove it by answering the questions that have been put to you.


Originally Posted by Bram Kaandorp
''Clayton,

What do I have to do to get you to answer my question?

You have implied earlier that you think a diagnosis of autism is similar to a death sentence.

I will try to keep hyperbole out of this as much as possible, so here goes:

Would I (who has a diagnosis of autism) be better off dead?

I know that this is not the same question I asked before (not that you'd remember, or else you might have answered it already), but I think it is essentially the same.

Now, be a good boy and answer it.

Please.''

 

[pakeha]

I'm glad my question about the twins' study results isn't the only thing CM is trying to ignore.

...Don't you find it strange that parent after parent, year after year, says a week or so after the MMR shot their baby becomes autistic?

Don't you find it difficult to believe that all of medical science can't figure out what autistic toddlers worldwide have in common? ...

Yes, I find it difficult to believe, CM, because the studies starting to show just what those kids have in common.

As for the first question, no, I don't. It's already been established the symptoms of autism show up more or less at the age of the MMR vaxx schedule.
And even before, as you'd know if you were keeping up with the thread.

 

[Estellea]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine#Role_of_preservatives

Role of preservatives

If you're really intelligent like me you notice the not so obvious. It was very obvious to me in just my first read.

It's often pointed out that mercury/thiomersol wasn't the problem because autism rates have increased after mercury/thiomersol was removed in vaccines in the US.

Intelligent like you? If it has been pointed out to you that autism prevalence increases independent of thimerosal use then what are you trying to say?

What has happened is that an ineffective preservative was replaced by a more ineffective preservative. The mercury content obscured the fact that thiomersol wasn't doing its job well enough.

Why do you keep foolishly making such ridiculous statements? Thiomersal is very effective as a preservative due to mercury; that is the active ingredient. Thiomersal hasn't been replaced with another preservative; vaccines are manufactured as single doses which don't require a preservative. Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

Or the ever increasing volume of delivery system substances and their impact was becoming more and more difficult for a baby's physiology to contend with.

Clayton do you even know the difference between a preservative and a delivery system?

Est

The same could be said of my acumen on the financial deregulation decisions made by Congress for the past 60 years. I can't recite passage and verse but I know if we re-regulate carefully we can restore America.


If people are sniping at me with deadly weapon I won't know what their weapons and ammo are but I dam well will know that there are deadly snipers. I do my part to avoid the sniping by ignoring the barrage of get a flu shot notices. When I go to the VA next year my doctor will marvel at my blood pressure after about a 2 1/2 mile walk to get there(even in the summer). At the end of my visit the doctor will ask/recommend I get a flu shot. Maybe I'll ask him who is his healthiest senior vet patient.

Thanks once again for not answering any of my questions with a completely irrelevant rant.

Delivery systems
If you read the above carefully it tells you oral vaccines are less problematic than injections.

No Clay it doesn't. Not all vaccines are amenable to oral delivery and some are amenable to oral delivery. It's a function of the antigen and host immunologic response. They each have advantages and disadvantages.

Este

 

[Clayton Moore]

Most of the questions are as stupid as the "How do Genes for Autism Spread" article in the November issue of Scientific American. It's obvious, since Autism is world wide, that there is no genetic connection. Unless, of course, that genetic breakdown was caused by a world wide external commonality such as vaccination overkill.

 

[Bram Kaandorp]

Most of the questions are as stupid as the "How do Genes for Autism Spread" article in the November issue of Scientific American. It's obvious, since Autism is world wide, that there is no genetic connection. Unless, of course, that genetic breakdown was caused by a world wide external commonality such as vaccination overkill.

Luckily for you, my question has nothing to do with that, so have at it.

 

[godless dave]

Most of the questions are as stupid as the "How do Genes for Autism Spread" article in the November issue of Scientific American. It's obvious, since Autism is world wide, that there is no genetic connection.

Um, what? The whole population is genetically related.

 

[crhkrebs]

Most of the questions are as stupid as the "How do Genes for Autism Spread" article in the November issue of Scientific American.

Ya, those stupid authors of Scientific American article. Not to mention the stupid readership. Clayton knows all about stupid people.........he can see them.

It's obvious, since Autism is world wide, that there is no genetic connection.

OH. MY. GAWD! Sure Clayton. Hemophilia has a worldwide distribution. I guess that makes it a non-genetic disease too?

Unless, of course, that genetic breakdown was caused by a world wide external commonality such as vaccination overkill.

Oh look, a new pet theory. Vaccination now causes genetic diseases. Where is the "WTF?" smilie?

 

[Chris Haynes]

Most of the questions are as stupid as the "How do Genes for Autism Spread" article in the November issue of Scientific American. It's obvious, since Autism is world wide, that there is no genetic connection. Unless, of course, that genetic breakdown was caused by a world wide external commonality such as vaccination overkill.

Then you should not have a problem answer this question which I present for the fifth time:

Read this table on thimerosal amounts in vaccines in the American pediatric schedule. Then tell us which on that this are only available with thimerosal. That means that none of the vaccines that have the word "free" in the thimerosal column.

Note that several of the influenza vaccines do not have thimerosal, so it is not influenza vaccine.

Though you seemed to not understand what happened to Roald Dahl's oldest child when she got measles. First off, she was not an infant and did not have testicles. The significance to that and measles eludes me.

 

[Giordano]

Most of the questions are as stupid as the "How do Genes for Autism Spread" article in the November issue of Scientific American. It's obvious, since Autism is world wide, that there is no genetic connection. Unless, of course, that genetic breakdown was caused by a world wide external commonality such as vaccination overkill.

It must be very difficult for you to see such stupidity all around you, most especially among trained scientists, but I guess that is the burden of have such a high intellect. As a result I realize that it is often a waste of your time to read the posts of those of us here with lower intelligence than yourself. It is also a waste of your time to read even basic articles about biology and genetics, given that you can deduce, using common sense, everthing that took scientists centuries to discover. But I humbly urge you to review the prior posts in this thread that explained to you genetics versus inheritance, and the concept of how mutations occur and spread. You might then be less outraged by the Scientific American article.

Until then, you might think about trisomy 21/Down's Syndrome. Scientists claim that it a genetic disorder, yet is worldwide. Stupid , yes?

 

[crhkrebs]

In my real world job, Clayton, I daily have to accommodate my treatment of patients with amelogenesis imperfecta, dentinogenesis imperfecta, orthodontic malocclusions, cleft palates, Down's Syndrome, Factor V thrombophilia, Caries susceptibility, familial Alzheimer's, ALS, juvenile periodontitis, Hemophilia, various inheritable neuropathies, Von Willibrands disease, CADASIL syndrome, partial anodontia, beta-thalassemia, etc. These are just a small, small proportion of genetic diseases and conditions that have a large distribution throughout the world.

You sir, do not have a clue. I'm done feeding the "I see dumb people" troll.

 

[catsmate]

No. The supposedly horrific USA measles statistics are from the 50s. Nobody in the 50s thought measles was even close to dangerous. 60 years later modern medicine should make measles much less dangerous than Nobody in the 50s thought measles was even close to dangerous. It hasn't.

Given that the USA say 350-400 deaths per annum from measles from 1950-1965 your claim is rubbish.

 

[dafydd]

Until then, you might think about trisomy 21/Down's Syndrome. Scientists claim that it a genetic disorder, yet is worldwide. Stupid , yes?

Clayton, which vaccine causes Down's Syndrome? Bear in mind that just like autism, Down's Syndrome existed long before vaccines were invented.

 

[pakeha]

Most of the questions are as stupid as the "How do Genes for Autism Spread" article in the November issue of Scientific American. It's obvious, since Autism is world wide, that there is no genetic connection. Unless, of course, that genetic breakdown was caused by a world wide external commonality such as vaccination overkill.

Albinism is world-wide.
Blue/green eyes, too.

Caused by vaxx, CM?