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AbsurdWalls said:
Gödelqueer - that is "I am the one type of queer that does not neatly fit into your system"
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Would Gödelqueerness be the types of queerness that makes queer staments about its queerness but not all of the statements are provably queer nor can the whole system prove itself to be queer? ;)
 
mijopaalmc said:
Would Gödelqueerness be the types of queerness that makes queer staments about its queerness but not all of the statements are provably queer nor can the whole system prove itself to be queer? ;)
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The queerness of the Gödelqueer would itself be queer, the question is whether the queer queerness would then become straight?

Either that or I don't remember Gödel that well. Höfstadter was a waste of time anyway.
 
I don't think it's so much "not fitting into the system" as wanting to fit into the larger recognized system in order to validate ( in this case MtoF trans and genderqueer ) and be recognized as a bonafide member of that system and share in the exact same victimhood

Sort of moving from in solidarity to identifying as a full patch member.
 
Stout said:
Originally Posted by APlusser
Are you saying atheists should not be working to "tear down" Islam or Hinduism?
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Originally Posted by APlus mod
yeah, that's what she's saying.
and i agree. thhere's waaaay too much colonialism and white supremacy in our culture to even THINK about addressing the religion of brown people, the end.
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Hmm. I almost feel a "Dear Muslima" type response would be appropriate here.. while these lot try (and fail) to put their insular house in order, real violence and misogyny in other parts of the world continues.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20863860
 
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so, aplus is all about reaching out to POC, but it is wrong to support atheism for ' brown people'?
 
Stout said:
In tonight's coverage of the ongoing A+ meltdown, we bring you two articles for your amusement and entertainment.

In the first, we have one of the most abusive and toxic APlussers complaining about another member being..yep you guessed it, abusive and toxic. See page 45 of their *Are the moderators here censorious, capricious and biased* thread for all the juicy details.
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And from page 46 of that, explaining why they don't have an "attack the argument, not the arguer" rule:
wind said:
Functionally, you actually are your ideas on the internet. Allowing attacks upon ideas is the same as allowing attacks upon people.
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:eye-poppi
 
Merton said:
Ah. I've heard a little about the harassment controversy in the skeptic community, but I didn't think that had anything to do with Atheism Plus. I could see how one would want to restrain atheists' behavior at certain events, but we don't need a new atheism (new New Atheism?) to accomplish that.
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A+ did not exist in my awareness until after Elevatorgate, when Richard Dawkins' lack of sympathy for Rebecca Watson's complaint of harrassment was attributed to him being an old white man.

Mr. Dawkins said there was no comparison between Watson (young, female, white, "privileged") being invited for coffee with female genital mutilation (younger, usually not white, female, usually underprivileged). This made Dawkins the first famous atheist I know of to be shunned by the A+ thought police.

Did the A+ label exist before Elevatorgate?
 
WillyWonka said:
Actually, I have not seen much "Social Justice" in Atheism Plus so far. What I have seen is the creation of a safe place for the moderators so that they can humiliate, insult and ban unsuspecting forum participants, but not much else.
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That's because they're more like the social justice people you see on tumblr. They're not really interested in social justice but use it as a club to force people to conform to their ideals.

For an example of social justice tumblr people being jerks, please read this article. The only real difference between the tumblr people and the A+ people is that as far as I know the A+ people haven't threatened to kill people.

Verklagekasper said:
Well, I'd like to ask them too what they have done to make the world a better place. I think the most revealing bit was A+ founder Jen McGreight's complaint about that homeless guy who jacked off in her presence. Homeless people often have mental issues, and a guy masturbating in public certainly HAS issues. I feel pity for them. Jen doesn't. She turned this episode into another story about how she's sooo oppressed by men. Yeah right, she felt oppressed by an unprivileged sucker out of his mind.
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Well clearly she felt that way, otherwise she wouldn't have said this about it.

She received quite a bit of flak from it, from more reasonably thought out pieces like this, to silly things like this consent form.

AbsurdWalls said:
If I had the energy I would look into the details here to see if there is a legit accepted understanding of gender and sex that backpackergirl messed up or whether this is all being pulled out of peoples' gender-nonspecific backsides.

Edit: But I don't because it's 2am and I'm just waiting for a simulation to finish so I can sleep.
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If you believe the poster grimalkin:

"Nope nope nope, and **** you to boot. Ain't no goddamned difference. Someone's gender identity is their gender is their sex is their gender is their gender identity."

Which seems to be very circular and pointless.

Mr. Scott said:
Did the A+ label exist before Elevatorgate?
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No, the label appeared from the fallout from Elevatorgate.
 
brodski said:
he didn't say that Christianity didn't cause harm, just that not all religious harm was caused by Christianity.
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Thank you. That was indeed my point. I think it does depend on where you live and who you hang out with. If you're never exposed to any people who aren't white with a Christian background you might miss these things.
 
Wildy said:
If you believe the poster grimalkin:

"Nope nope nope, and **** you to boot. Ain't no goddamned difference. Someone's gender identity is their gender is their sex is their gender is their gender identity."

Which seems to be very circular and pointless.
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Ok, in that case I guess trans people do not exist (simply being men or women) but genderqueer folks do because they fall between the two stools.

I am surprised at how similar this is looking to my proposal for Gödelqueer.
 
Mr. Scott said:
A+ did not exist in my awareness until after Elevatorgate, when Richard Dawkins' lack of sympathy for Rebecca Watson's complaint of harrassment was attributed to him being an old white man.

Mr. Dawkins said there was no comparison between Watson (young, female, white, "privileged") being invited for coffee with female genital mutilation (younger, usually not white, female, usually underprivileged). This made Dawkins the first famous atheist I know of to be shunned by the A+ thought police.

Did the A+ label exist before Elevatorgate?
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I'm so on Dawkin's side. She was asked for coffee by a male (oh my) in an elevator (the horror), she said no, he went no farther (how dare he). End of story, (kill him).


Seems some want it both ways.................. for themselves.

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Paulhoff said:
I'm so on Dawkin's side. She was asked for coffee by a male (oh my) in an elevator (the horror), she said no, he went no farther (how dare he). End of story, (kill him).


Seems some want it both ways.................. for themselves.

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Paul


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Rebecca Watson's expertise, I have heard, is marketing. Elevatorgate was a marketing opportunity. She is not, however, a card-carrying member of A+. I presume it's because she's planning to throw off the tug line when the SS Aplus begins to sink.
 
Stout said:
Yes I"m aware that one doesn't have to be intersex to be genderqueer, were it so simple.....

I'm tending to thing of genderqueer as having some sort of psychological relationship with, or affinity for, intersex. Since we don't have full blown transsexualism, more like something on the transsexual scale, trans lite, if you will that has a substantial component of identity wrapped up in it.

If I may ask a personal question, do, or did you ever consider yourself as genderqueer ? I'm not thinking along the lines of tomboy or liking traditionally male things or pursuits but more along the lines of did you ever consider yourself to be partially male as part of your gender identity ?
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I would think it can be thought of as intersex is about anatomy and genderqueer is about psychology and identity.
 
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