BenBurch
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She had quit to take full time care of her son, actually.
Her alimony payments last year were $300K.
School shooting: but don't mention guns!
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She had quit to take full time care of her son, actually.
Her alimony payments last year were $300K.
Autolite
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Reports say that the son had Asperger's. I know someone with a son the same age, dealing with the same thing. Apparently it can be quite a handful.
If the guy's condition was bad enough that he required constant supervision from the stay-at-home mom, it's hard for me to believe that her firearms would not have been properly secured.
It seems the police are now being a little more cautious about releasing further details to the media...
Autolite
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Wow!
Honestly, that would never have occurred to me. It sounds pretty far fetched but it could explain the current lack of information regarding a plausible motive...
BenBurch
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Well, like I say, pure speculation, but it fits and makes a kind of internal sense.
If the shooter was operating from a really flawed view of reality, like actually believing that the world was about to end, and end horribly, and also if that person believed that dead people were going to "a better place", then this would be a logical thing that any good person would feel duty-bound to do.
Yes, you and I know better, and we would have reached a different decision in the same circumstances, we hope, but you and I are more-or-less mentally normal.
This speculation doesn't fit with reports today about how the mother was looking to move states to find a school more suitable for her son.
Autolite
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I think BenBurch's speculation might be valid .
I can't figure out why the police are being so secretive regarding evidence details from the investigation (unless of course they think that there still might be someone they could charge)...
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Jesus, I don't know if that makes it worse, but it makes it a whole different sort of horrible.
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I think BenBurch's speculation is fanciful and extremely unlikely.
I suspect the police secrecy isn't really secrecy so much as ignorance. They're hoping to get some information from the smashed computers, but computer forensics takes a lot of time, and they don't have anything yet. Maybe they haven't even been able to read the hard drives.
I hope they get enough evidence from the emails they've subpoenaed and the computers to put together a credible motive, but when someone is sick enough to put a dozen bullets into a six-year-old while her classmates watch, then move on to the next victim, any motive there might have been may be irretrievable.
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Why then do the media reports keep alluding to "evidence found in home" without giving details?
It gives (me anyway) the impression that the police have found something but they aren't saying what it is. Is the media just messing with us to ensure that we stay hooked on the story???
BStrong
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A reasonable explanation is that the agency in question wants to present the evidence in a professional manner - as in a completed investigation.
Agencies that can't wait to divulge every little scrap of information in a case appear to be amatuers - Hey! look what I found! - and a well run agency won't conduct themselves in that manner.
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It's just you.
It's very common in any discussion relating to children, for example, to people to run the line "children don't NEED X, therefore we should ban X" where X is video games, rock and roll, contraception or whatever.
In any case, what would it prove if it was the only issue where 'need' is employed as a counter-argument? You are trying to give us half an argument and hoping we'll fill in the blanks for you, which is a sneaky argumentative technique mostly used by people who know that if they fill in the blanks themselves they won't have anything convincing to fill them in with.
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To be fair, Ben said as much himself.
On the other hand, it wouldn't be completely unheard of. Andrea Yates killed her kids to keep them away from Satan.
Combine bizarre ideas with mental illness and you get some truly bizarre actions.
I think it's unlikely as well, but whatever his motives were, we can be assured they were just plain crazy, so it's hard to speculate on exactly what sort of crazy they were.
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With all do respect sir, I think you are blatantly wrong on this.
I frequent gun stores, gun ranges, and a few different shooting and 2A forums, and nobody has even come close to saying that.
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Skeptic Ginger
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I watched a little boy in the post office tonight, probably about 5, playing his video game waiting for mom to ship some boxes. I couldn't stop thinking about what would happen to such a tiny body if shot with .223 caliber bullet from a high powered rifle at close range. (In the link that would be the second one from the left.)
Jeese, a single round would have taken out half his chest or severed his head.
Jeese, a single round would have taken out half his chest or severed his head.
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I've said that, but I don't own a gun so I'm not a representative of the groups in question.
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Even if they found nothing else, the smashed computers are clearly evidence. They were smashed for a reason, almost certainly by the same person who had his reasons for killing more than two dozen innocent people. Whether the data on those computers will help anyone understand what those reasons might have been is still an open question.
If they also found a "Psychopath's Manifesto" in the murderer's own handwriting, they're just being jerks if they haven't released it.
Drs_Res
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Not that interesting at all. Retirement funds invest in ways to maximise returns. Given the US gun culture, it was a very prudent investment. My fund invests in mining companies, including coal miners. Am I in some way responsible for global warming?
LTC8K6
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I watched a little boy in the post office tonight, probably about 5, playing his video game waiting for mom to ship some boxes. I couldn't stop thinking about what would happen to such a tiny body if shot with .223 caliber bullet from a high powered rifle at close range. (In the link that would be the second one from the left.)
Jeese, a single round would have taken out half his chest or severed his head.
The bullet itself is actually quite small, for a rifle round, and only weighs around 55 grains or so.
You didn't think that whole cartridge left the gun, did you?
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/4066/22lrsignum2233sj.jpg
A typical deer round, a .30-06, is much larger and weighs 150 grains at least.
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Or simply not giving in to pressure to make news turkeys happy whether they are verified or not. There have already been a number of idiot statements made (mostly not by the official law enforcement speakers) that have gotten out (wrong brother, mother a teacher in/not in that school that day and so on....................... A damn shame news orgs are not forbidden by law to speculate or use anything not from those actually working the case and verified by the persons in charge of same.