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School shooting: but don't mention guns!

I'm droppin out of this thread, I suspect everything productive has already been said and going back and forth is probably going to only end in people being angry, and I see no point in that. These sorts of things are extremely complex and I see no simple "answer".
 
joesixpack said:
The reference was the "Argued with 4 of the teachers the day before"
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Which is another unconfirmed and maybe untrue report along with the report the assault rifle was in the guy's trunk. The coroner says the kids he autopsied all died from the rifle's bullets.

But who knows, I missed the news conference the coroner gave so maybe that's wrong too. :rolleyes:
 
Autolite said:
I've read that the school had measures designed to prevent unauthorized entry but that Lanza "forced his way in".

I suppose like several of the state gun control laws that had been circumvented, rules are only effective when the individual chooses to comply...
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An individual with a felony record can't buy directly from a licensed dealer. Not because he chooses to follow the law, but because the dealer chooses to follow the law. If you write the law so that law abiding people are required to enforce the rules, it generally works.

A law that requires every gun sale to be finalized with background check and registration under the supervision of a licensed dealer could be quite effective. Law abiding gun owners would follow the law. Those that didn't could be punished for when a firearm registered in their name was found in criminal hands. We don't have to trust that a known criminal will follow the law.
 
In this whole thread, the only reasons given for ownership of automatics and semi-automatics is that they are fun and cool.
 
StankApe said:
I would imagine I was fairly typical . I would suspect that even more 20 yr olds smoke pot now than did then. But that could just be bias on my my part.
Guns are a very common thing in our country , mostly rifles and such, but I can think off the top of my head of at least 20 immediate friends who own handguns , plus family.

If you want to get a gun, it's not difficult. (he got his hands on 3 from his mom, didn't even have to go the illegal route).

banning gun in the USA will not happen for the next 500 years or so. if ever. it's too much a part of our culture, it would be like banning cheese in France
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I doubt that either the USA or guns will exist in 500 years, but if cheese started killing people in France today I've no doubt it would be banned there tomorrow.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
The coroner says the kids he autopsied all died from the rifle's bullets.

But who knows, I missed the news conference the coroner gave so maybe that's wrong too. :rolleyes:
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I've read the same thing...

"Connecticut's chief medical examiner. Twenty-eight people died in the massacre, including 20 students and six adults and the school, a woman at a nearby site and the gunman himself.

The gunman used a rifle as his primary weapon, Carver said."
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Which is another unconfirmed and maybe untrue report along with the report the assault rifle was in the guy's trunk. The coroner says the kids he autopsied all died from the rifle's bullets.

But who knows, I missed the news conference the coroner gave so maybe that's wrong too. :rolleyes:
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It might be; the reports I've heard also quoted the coroner as saying that all six or seven of the kids he personally examined had each been shot between 3 and 11 times; all that from one rifle?
 
lionking said:
In this whole thread, the only reasons given for ownership of automatics and semi-automatics is that they are fun and cool.
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Semi-automatics are commonly used for pest control (coyotes and ground hogs) here in my neck of the woods.

The private ownership of automatic firearms is EXTREMELY restricted and it would be illegal to use them in such manner anyway...

(The term 'ground-hog' actually applies to a local rodent known as a "Richardson's Ground Squirrel". The 'fun-and-cool' aspect is realized by a phenomenon known as the "Pink Mist". Just don't tell PETA)
 
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lionking said:
In this whole thread, the only reasons given for ownership of automatics and semi-automatics is that they are fun and cool.
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Every American not living in poverty is way past "need" in every aspect of their life.

The simple fact is that for all the media hype and exploitation of ignorance on the part of partisan anti-gun orgs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Sugarmann

"Assault weapons—just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms—are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons."

-Josh Sugarmann, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America, 1988[1][2]

Semi automatic firearms, especially examples in intermediate calibers like 5.56 and 7.62 x 39, are not any more lethal than standard configuration bolt, lever or pump action designs.

I stated it earlier in this thread, if an individual approached me armed with a lever action Marlin guide gun in 45/70, I'd be much more concerned than the same individual with an AK or AR platform rifle.
 
I saw a picture of this kid. Make no mistake, he could've easily beaten to death two dozen people (including himself) with nothing more than his bare hands.
 
thaiboxerken said:
To suggest that the NRA holds no responsibility for the lax gun laws is naive.
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I suppose it could be argued that the NRA promotes the criminal use of firearms in much the same way the AAA promotes vehicular homicide.

That would be an interesting discussion...
 
zooterkin said:
Don't forget that that's guns per 100 people, not gun owners. Some, if not most, gun owners will have more than one gun.
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I thought I'd checked that that wasn't the case, but I seem to be having a poor reading comprehension day. I had read licenses as being equivalent to people, which of course it isn't. It's a pity that the figure of "people who have a licenses firearm" isn't included in those figures. If that's the case for the American figures, then gun ownership doesn't look half so high as claimed. It would be interesting to know the true figure for the percentage of households with at least one licensed gun.
 
Autolite said:
I suppose it could be argued that the NRA promotes the criminal use of firearms in much the same way the AAA promotes vehicular homicide.

That would be an interesting discussion...
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Does AAA spend a significant amount of time lobbying against restrictions on car ownership?
 
It's difficult to fault the news for failing to get the facts straight. Every piece of information they gave at the beginning which is now being contradicted, was cited as coming from a police official or someone else "close to the investigation" who was "speaking on condition of anonymity". I think the media needs to re-evaluate the value of information that comes from such sources, because so far the quality has been god-awful.
 
shuttlt said:
Does AAA spend a significant amount of time lobbying against restrictions on car ownership?
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Actually, I believe they did their best to get the exploding Ford Pintos off the road. Just don't quote me on that...
 
Checkmite said:
It's difficult to fault the news for failing to get the facts straight. Every piece of information they gave at the beginning which is now being contradicted, was cited as coming from a police official or someone else "close to the investigation" who was "speaking on condition of anonymity". I think the media needs to re-evaluate the value of information that comes from such sources, because so far the quality has been god-awful.
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Why would they care? Is there a downside to them if they can be the first with the wrong information, and then have a shot at being first with the correction? Two updates for the price of one.
 
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I should quit this thread as it makes no sense. What on earth does a school shooting have to do with guns??
 
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