Dr Phil promotes "Satanic Ritual Abuse" conspiracy theory

[Orphia Nay]

I've had my own email to the AG sitting in my draft folder for almost a month now

Before I send it, do you have any objection to me including a link to your dysgenics post?

Go ahead!

 

[Altus]

I'd love that too. Perhaps if more people like xterra send complaints to them they might!

She's referred to me as 'this unknown woman calling herself "Orphia Nay" from Australia', but that's as far as she's gone.

I've never seen Judy accuse me of being Doug, dammit. I want to be Spartacus too!

I think I shall sign my posts as Doug from now on anyway, to get her back.

Best wishes

Doug.

You may want to reconsider. There are endless meetings among us and conversations about wardrobe: which coven hoodie this week?; beverage choices: goat or boar blood?; etc. Believe me this Spartucus stuff looks great in the movies, but...

Altus<---not a real Satanic worshiper and alter at Doug's altar. I only play one in Judy Byington's mind

 

[cosmicaug]

You might have a new one at Amazon.

 

[Orphia Nay]

You might have a new one at Amazon.

Thanks. On it.

 

[Scott Sommers]

Holy batcrap...this has become unbelievable.

Why has it not occurred to anyone that iatrogenic DID and authentic trauma based DID have been created by the same people? What would be the motivation for creating iatrogenic DID if not to discredit the authentic cases? The doctors who worked for the CIA under the MKULTRA project actively pursued this cruel form of creating iatrogenic DID as a stated means of discrediting subjects.

Do you think people really believe this stuff?

 

[carlitos]

Amazing. It says: "Psychic medium John Edward is back by popular demand and ready to take on his skeptics, including Dr. Phil."
Including Dr. Phil? That both suggests that Dr. Phil is a skeptic and that there are other established skeptics on the show, but none are listed. If it turns out to be the case, as it is beginning to appear to be, that Phil doesn't run his 22 Faces episode, we see just how ridiculous something really has to be for Phil's show NOT to air it.

Dr. Phil is the face of the "season of reason" TV ad campaign from Acura.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Holy batcrap...this has become unbelievable.

Why has it not occurred to anyone that iatrogenic DID and authentic trauma based DID have been created by the same people? What would be the motivation for creating iatrogenic DID if not to discredit the authentic cases? The doctors who worked for the CIA under the MKULTRA project actively pursued this cruel form of creating iatrogenic DID as a stated means of discrediting subjects.

Do you think people really believe this stuff?

When all else fails, don't question your beliefs, just add another level of conspiracy.

 

[cosmicaug]

Here's the latest one:

Okay then, so these 'iatrogenic DID' people agree to let the therapist "violate their own moral code?" If the clients are in agreement, why blame the therapists?

 

[Orphia Nay]

Dear Sky Lover,

Sincerely,
Orph.

 

[Dismember]

Doug or Orphia, can either of you elaborate on this? Is Judy telling the truth?

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3FASO...D=Mx13J3Y578PT3RR&store=books#Mx13J3Y578PT3RR

Mikayla...Karmakaze-CritThink-Doug Mesner-Douglas Miskicko and his friend emailed the Utah AG asking someone I have never met who doesn't know me, to respond if I had consulted with him. Dah! (I suspect he no longer mentions the name because he's been threatened by the Utah AG because of his breach of the confidentiality agreement on the email).

ETA: Here's another one, with stronger wording so maybe the whole thing is getting under her skin:

Karmakaze or Douglas Misicko or Doug Mesner or CrtiThink or whoever you are. You KNOW the AG office has already warned you about the confidentiality in your email.

I see that Orphia's post on the Dysgenics website is still up and appears to be unedited, so I'm guessing this is more Judy Byington-style misinformation...

Edited again to add another Amazon response and an edit by Judy:

Karmakaze: Judy doesn't seem to be shaking in her boots. She boldly repeated her assertion. Why is it you are willing to take Orphia Nay's word for it but are so sure that Judy is lying? Did you email a request for information for yourself? Or did you just accept Orphia's claims on faith? I sent my email. Did you? Waiting for a reply.

"Mikayla" on Amazon now claims to have sent an email to the UAG. I'd like to believe Mikayla will be honest about the UAG's reply, but based on his/her Amazon comments an honest report doesn't seem likely. I originally thought the Judy quotes were from the same comment (an original and an edited version) but I see now that they are separate comments, both still posted on Amazon.

But Judy did edit one of those comments, so I went through my email alerts to find her original version. She said this:

"Page 421 of 22 Faces clearly spells out all my contacts at the Utah AG over the years including Special Investigations Chief Charles Haussler. You would need to contact those 4 people mentioned to get an honest reply."

She later edited it to say this:

" ... Those contacts are either recorded by both them and me or thoroughly documented by paper trails and witnesses. Because of their own protocol you would need to contact specific people to get an honest reply, which is not likely to come because we are talking SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS. Why would they? ... "

At first she hinted that four specific people mentioned in 22 Faces could confirm her claims, then she later edited it to make it more vague and to further discourage people from even asking. Maybe tracking down these "4 people" would be a worthwhile endeavor?

The names she drops in Twenty-Two Faces are: Utah Lieutenant Attorney General Reed Richards, Utah Attorney General Satanic Ritual Abuse investigators Matt Jacobsen and Christine Godnick, and Utah Attorney General Special Investigations Section Chief Charles Haussler.

(Listed in Kindle Locations 6004-6006)

 

[Orphia Nay]

Hi Dismember.

Judy is making things up. I haven't received any warning from the Utah AG.

All their emails to me are in my Dysgenics post.

As I said there, only the first reply from them contained a confidentiality clause (in the footer), which is why I haven't said who it was from.

I don't have any information from the Utah AG in relation to the names she drops.

I suspect those names are people she may have talked to in the nineties.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

The names she drops in Twenty-Two Faces are: Utah Lieutenant Attorney General Reed Richards[...]

That's Mr. Fantastic from the Fantastic Four.

 

[Dismember]

Hi Dismember.

Judy is making things up. I haven't received any warning from the Utah AG.

All their emails to me are in my Dysgenics post.

As I said there, only the first reply from them contained a confidentiality clause (in the footer), which is why I haven't said who it was from.

I don't have any information from the Utah AG in relation to the names she drops.

I suspect those names are people she may have talked to in the nineties.

Thanks Orphia, I assumed she must be lying when I saw that your Dysgenics post was still up, and unedited.

The AG's office did say in their reply to you that Reed Richards hadn't been in their office since 2001, and they implied that they have no investigations regarding "Satanic crime", so that only leaves Special Investigations Section Chief Charles Haussler as a potential current contact.

I did send my own inquiry to the UAG last week. I'll post an update when I hear back from them.

Oh, and, here's the latest from Judy; now she's throwing more names into the mix:

Mikayla...There is a lot more than Mattis' and Clyde's Satanic Ritual Abuse Task Force ordered by the Utah State Legislature. They represent a year-long study of police investigators and therapists throughout the state completed by their committee composed of community leaders. The report, along with another done by the LDS Church at the same time, resulted in hiring SRA investigators Mike King, Matt Jacobsen and Christine Godnick. When Homeland Security was formed Mike King was transferred to do Satanic Ritual Abuse investigative training across the nation. Those are whom I interviewed with and have taped recordings of our conversations, along with a 4 hour discussion with their boss, Utah Lieutenant Attorney General Reed Richards. We discussed the 8 satanic covens in Utah. Utah Special Investigations Chief Captain Charles Haussler called me back into his office in 2006, where I handed him over a three ring binder of information on those covens. Haussler retired 3 years ago, though the investigations didn't. "Twenty-Two Faces" brought in a lot more information to the Utah AG on their 8 Satanic Covens. Actually, I've quite enjoyed Douglas Misicko-Doug Mesner-CritThink-Kamakazi's contributions to the cause. You can read all about it in my next NONFICTION book, "Saints, Sinners and Satan."

http://www.amazon.com/review/R3FASO...e=11&cdThread=Tx2N6ESNQQTNWH0#Mx1DA9HBHBSAW5H

 

[Altus]

Chief Captain Charles Haussler called me back into his office in 2006, where I handed him over a three ring binder of information on those covens. Haussler retired 3 years ago, though the investigations didn't.

Well, now we may be getting somewhere. Byington's whole "consultant role" since 2006 boils down to a claim of 3 binders that could have gone straight into the trash as she walked out the station's front door--if she indeed gave them to begin with. She's a consultant in her head. There never where any ongoing investigations she could document and the AG's office has called her claims that there were a "lie".

All I can find on "Capt." is a firearm instructor by the same name---Salt Lake County. http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/docs/instructors_instate.pdf

http://www.usacarry.com/directory/charles-haussler-2861.html

Notice Judy says, I suspect before saying I---I am CritThink on Amazon---have been threatened. So, she suspects I have been threatened by the Utah AG. Just like she suspects I am Doug. I should really ring the woman up to see what else I am up to these days. Apparently, I am the last to know.

 

[Dismember]

I should really ring the woman up to see what else I am up to these days. Apparently, I am the last to know.

According to Judy and the Collective, that is exactly how DID works

Thanks for the information, Altus. Something that just occurred to me - if Judy's using confidentiality as a threat she must know the emails are authentic. I wonder if her supporters have caught on yet?

It's really quite amazing that the Amazon SRA-believers can maintain this conviction that Judy is completely credible and everyone else is "lying".

 

[Baffled]

All I can find on "Capt." is a firearm instructor by the same name---Salt Lake County. http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/docs/instructors_instate.pdf

http://www.usacarry.com/directory/charles-haussler-2861.html

I found an article in the Salt Lake Tribune from 2009: http://www.sltrib.com/columnists/ci_11654134

By Robert KirbyTribune Columnist

Published February 8, 2009 6:00 pm

...I had to attend a class on responsible handgun ownership. It lasted longer than church and was taught by an acquaintance, Agent Charles Haussler, of the Utah Attorney General's Office.

I've hilited the parts that might help find Charles Haussler, if one wanted to try.

 

[100]

ill just send a pm
(concerning orpha nays post on who a poster was).

 

[Altus]

Was just chattin' with Ol' Jude via the Interwebs.

In reply to your post on Dec 17, 2012 11:49:13 AM PST
Judy Byington says:
CritThink, Kamakazi, ac2012, Doug Mesner, Douglas Misicko...No covens in Utah? What makes you the expert over Utah Special Investigations Chief Charles Haussler, the 1990 LDS Report stating "45 members witnessed human sacrifice," the Utah State Legislature that ordered SRA investigations back in 1992, that are still going on today? You must live in a bubble.

This ought to get interestin'.

Your post, in reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2012 11:57:24 AM PST
CritThink says:The Mormon History Association are the experts, Judy Byington/Merrill/Weindorf. Do you go talking like this around your Temple? There are NO, NO, NO investigations. You are a liar, Judy. You lied about Robert Kroon. Your whole book is lies. Mormons say so, that's who, Judy.
http://www.cesnur.org/2001/archive/mi_mormons.htm

http://tinyurl.com/c9vwzbz

 

[Dismember]

Altus, this conversation is just surreal. No matter how many posts of theirs I read, they still manage to surprise me.

It's almost like some strange Bizarro World version of the Atheism Plus forum...

CritThink: Sky, another fan to my posts. Welcome aboard! Time to teach you the secret Masonic handshake that all CritThink fan club members give each other upon greeting in supermarkets, gyms, beauty parlors, etc.

Sky Lover: Please stop with the secret Masonic handshake stuff. You're scaring me.

CritThink: Boo! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_aEalijE

Felicity Lee: CT - what is wrong with you - what are you trying to prove here - it is very scary - really. Scary that you even know what the handshake is - that you know why that would be scary to anyone. I am sure that many Masons would take offense to your 'jokes'. Wouldn't you think? Apologies again in order.

CritThink: FLee, I love the Simpsons. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_aEalijE

Sky Lover: I don't think it's funny at all to hurt other people. What is wrong with people?

CritThink: Sky, um...let's see, I've been called a child rapist, a satanist, a man (not that there is anything wrong with that, but I'm not) and evil. I joke with Felicity and I am the one doing the hurting?

BlueMoon: Her idea of entertainment and fun sure takes the cake! Apologies are definitely in order.

Sky Lover: Yes you are the one doing the hurting. I politely asked you not to talk about that secret handshake stuff as it scared me. And you replied with "Boo!" And a YouTube link. That was purposely hurtful.

Etc.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R1X7RY...ead=Tx4IKS1QLVECLM&store=books#wasThisHelpful

 

[Roma]

Aw come on you guys, it's like picking on the "special" kid at school now



Oh nevermind, I just remembered how mean those "special" DID/SRA kids have been, so go ahead and bring out the really scary stuff