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School shooting: but don't mention guns!

scarlettinlondon said:
You cannot carry a gun to defend yourself. There is no need because there aren't guns about to defend yourself from.
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And how do you defend yourself against a knife if you're physically weak?

Are you so frightened of your fellow citizens that you feel the need to protect yourself with fire arms?
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Are you so frightened of your fellow citizens that you feel the need to deprive even the law-abiding ones of guns?
 
Ranb said:
There is a law there that says it is illegal for anyone to use a gun to defend themself? What is it?

Ranb
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There are a range of legal reasons to own firearms, hunting and controlling feral animals are the main ones. You cannot register or own a firearm if you give the reason "self defence".
 
Travis said:
CNN reporting a school shooting.
How dare they mention guns might be involved. Do they just want us to turn into the USSR with guns banned and everyone forced to worship Obama?
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That's my prediction of a reaction on at least one gun forum before the day is over.

So the question is: why are guns the one subject that cannot be discussed civilly?


Holy crap: someone on CNN just said it couldn't be a student reacting to bullying because it isn't a high school so bullying doesn't happen there!
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As someone from the state in question, humor just seems weak. Very, very weak.
 
lionking said:
There are a range of legal reasons to own firearms, hunting and controlling feral animals are the main ones. You cannot register or own a firearm if you give the reason "self defence".
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Why is self defense in quotes? You don't believe in the concept at all?
 
StankApe said:
and pardon me for saying this, but anyone who doesn't live in the USA has no business telling us what we should or shouldn't be doing in regards to our constitution.
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Nobody is holding a gun to our head and telling us how we should live. They're suggesting possible alternatives from the perspective of one who lives the alternative.

StankApe said:
It's a terrible tragedy, and there will be others. It's the price we pay to have the freedom to go where we want, say what we want, own what we want and do what we want.

It sucks, but the alternative is worse
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Is it? Have you seriously given thought to the alternatives? Is life really so terrible outside the good ol' USA? I'm a gun-owning American, mind you, but there are any number of other places I'd be proud to call home. I don't think I'd miss the gun. But they'd better damn well have Keurigs.
 
Ziggurat said:
And how do you defend yourself against a knife if you're physically weak?
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I can't speak for Scarlett, but I don't live my life worrying that something like this is even remotely possible. It must be debilitating to live with such fear.
 
the alternative I am referring to is having our various freedoms taken away to "protect the public". IMO, once you start cherry picking the parts of the Constitution you like and ditching the parts you don't, you've lost.
 
lionking said:
I can't speak for Scarlett, but I don't live my life worrying that something like this is even remotely possible. It must be debilitating to live with such fear.
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amusing hyperbole noted


very few people live in fear here, gun owners or not, the USA is a wonderful place to live. (except for South Dakota) :p
 
lionking said:
Personally, I'd like to see all guns banned, but can accept that there are some legal uses for them. Legal uses do not include self defence. And, compared to the US, I would say that there is a relative shortage.

Automatics and semi-automatics have been banned since the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, and there has been a lack of multiple killings with firearms since.

ETA, just checked. Around 5% of the population of Australia own firearms, modtly for either hunting of killing feral animals.
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Just a question. When those firearms were banned were the owners compensated at retail value?

DDWW
 
Why stop at welfare and service industry jobs? Let's have mandatory regular drug tests for gun owners as well as initial mental health check ups for every purchase of a fire arm as well as annual mental health exams as a follow up. :D Weeee.
 
That evil bee-atch, Orly Taitz couldn't help herselt on this subject.

I believe by now you understand, we have to exercise our right to bear arms and defend ourselves from criminals and terrorists. It takes time for the police to arrive. Police cannot protect you. If only one teacher were to carry a gun, were to exercise his right to bear arms, 18 children and 8 teachers would have been alive. It is more and more clear: the government cannot protect us from criminals, the judiciary cannot protect us from criminals. Corrupt and treasonous judges allowed a criminal with forged IDs and a stolen SSN in the White House. We came to the point, where the government is there mostly to take from us the fruit of hour work, where from Jnuary 1 until August we work to feed the government. Is that the government the founders of this nation envisioned and fought for?
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Warning, don't go to her site without protection if you surf with windows.


http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=366213

Feel free to leave a comment, don't expect her to approve it, but feel free to tell her what a brainless idiot she it.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I think doing both would be even more effective.
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"We could prevent spree killing by banning the means"

"We could prevent spree killing if we understood better why people do it"

This discussion (and every other discussion) seems to be about only doing one of them. Can you tell me where the work is being done to determine the other? Do they have a lobbying organization? A celebrity spokes-person? What laws are being proposed that will address the questions that I've asked? None, as far as i can tell. It seems that most commentators on this issue wish to see guns deeply restricted or banned, and most don't even bother to pay lip service to the question of "Why?". I'll be happy to talk about gun control once my question has been seriously addressed.
 
I DO think having an armed security officer at each school would be a good idea though....

Maybe excessive and expensive, but I notice none of these shootings happen at inner city schools where there is an armed officer on site.
 
StankApe said:
I DO think having an armed security officer at each school would be a good idea though....

Maybe excessive and expensive, but I notice none of these shootings happen at inner city schools where there is an armed officer on site.
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The have Chicago Police officers AND metal detectors at all CPS schools.

The kids just wait until after school to shoot each other.
 
lionking said:
I don't believe in owning guns for self defence.
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Then you shouldn't buy a gun for self defense. Other people feel differently, so they still have the right to "believe in owning guns for self defense", and act on that belief.
 
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