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School shooting: but don't mention guns!

LTC8K6 said:
I'm still not sure how having to swap magazines would save anyone. It takes all of a second to do.

What you really want is fixed box magazines that have to be loaded from the top with stripper clips. They are pretty clumsy to use and slow to reload.

A broomhandle mauser is a classic example.

That would even slow me down. :)

Making a removable magazine smaller would not really slow me down if I were on a rampage.
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More than one of these shooters were stopped while reloading.
 
dudalb said:
I just cannot understand

A.The idea that because a few people misuse something that something should be taken away for everybody.

B.The whole mentality where people seem endlessly ready to give up individual liberty because of some utopian social ideal.
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Fear
 
scarlettinlondon said:
Fine. In the UK you can get a gun and a gun licence for shooting and legitimate hunting. We have no problem with that. Farmers keep guns for shooting predators and stray dogs etc. We allow guns for legitimate purposes

We don't allow civilians to own or carry guns as it's not neccesary.

It works fine. I think you should try it. I recommend it. After all, what do you really have to lose other than a right which seems very antiquated in this modern world.
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:confused: I don't consider shooting stray dogs legitimate unless its attacking, or clearly about to attack someone. And I'm a pro-gun 'merican.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
There's no doubt. Some guy in China just stabbed to death a couple dozen school kids today as well.

But the idea is we might be able to decrease the frequency and the head count with some restrictions.
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It's my understanding that 22 children were stabbed. They all lived. Willing to be corrected
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
There's no doubt. Some guy in China just stabbed to death a couple dozen school kids today as well.

But the idea is we might be able to decrease the frequency and the head count with some restrictions.
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Nobody was killed in China today, at least not in that incident. Just as nobody was killed in Wolverhampton.

It's really hard to commit mass murder with a knife.

Rolfe.
 
scarlettinlondon said:
I think you should give up that right. I think you should voluntarily and with glee give up that right. I don't think your right to have a gun outweighs the rights of those children to life.

Before you say it, I know you didn't kill them. I am sure you are responsible.

Someone else wasn't. You sound to me like a child saying it wasn't my stone that broke the window, therefore mummy shouldn't have come and stopped me from throwing stones around the garden
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Huh?

Well, let's see. What else should I give up? Cars kill, so those should go. Knives. Tobacco. Alcohol. Baseball Bats. Hockey Sticks. Skateboards. Bricks....

C'mon. That argument is silly at best. Why not propose we all just live in isolated padded rooms so no one hurts each other?

Based on the known info at this point, it's easy to imagine a scenario where a large knife (or two) would help this lunatic do exactly what he did today.

I mean, FFS, this guy attacked a classroom full of helpless children! Whether he had a knife, gun, or bare fists, this event is a tragedy in every sense.
 
lobosrul said:
:confused: I don't consider shooting stray dogs legitimate unless its attacking, or clearly about to attack someone. And I'm a pro-gun 'merican.
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Or if it's horribly injured and sure to die anyway.

I can't imagine just shooting any healthy stray animal.
 
LTC8K6 said:
The stabbing sprees have been going on in China for a while now. Many have been killed, apart from the most recent incident.
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Neither is great and I'm sure that most people would agree that both a knife and a gun is inappropriate anywhere near a child. Iwould judge though that there is a better chance of getting away from a knife wielding maniac than a gun wielding maniac
 
Rolfe said:
This. I thought that in 1996, and I still think so.

Good luck convincing the colonials.

Rolfe.
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Colonials.....thanks of confirming what I suspected you think of Americans anyway.
Makes me very glad we kicked out the Brits in 1781....
 
Giz said:
Fear
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Partly and partly misplaced idealism

One thing to remember:When somebody wants to take away your freedom, they always have Good Sounding Reasons for doing so.

I am not against some reasonable limits on gun ownership:Througough Background check;60 day waiting period, limits on how much ammo you can buy at a time. I even don't see the need to won an assault rifle.
But Total Bans..or restrictions so strict they amount to a de facto Ban..I am totally opposed to and will fight by any means necessary.
 
AP is saying the shooter is Adam Lanza. Looks like Ryan is his older brother and is being questioned.
 
Sabretooth said:
Huh?

Well, let's see. What else should I give up? Cars kill, so those should go. Knives. Tobacco. Alcohol. Baseball Bats. Hockey Sticks. Skateboards. Bricks....

C'mon. That argument is silly at best. Why not propose we all just live in isolated padded rooms so no one hurts each other?

Based on the known info at this point, it's easy to imagine a scenario where a large knife (or two) would help this lunatic do exactly what he did today.

I mean, FFS, this guy attacked a classroom full of helpless children! Whether he had a knife, gun, or bare fists, this event is a tragedy in every sense.
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This argument is because you are pro gun rights. My argument is because I am anti gun rights. We both believe ourselves to be right. You will not convince me that citizens should have the right to bear arms. I probably won't convince you paricularly in view of your finding my argument silly at best.

I have looked at your argument. I think you are right. Removing all guns will not stop all murders.
It might reduce them and it will likely reduce the
mass murders like this.

What I don't understand is why you are not willing to try the gun free experiment seeing as you can see from other countries positions that we have some success. You have nothing to lose other than your right as a civilian to carry a gun. If you think that this right is more important than tryng to reduce these tragedies then I will not be able to convince you to try it.

And I am sorry for my failure as I think you would like it when you got used to it. I like it. And we are not so very different as countries.
 
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