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School shooting: but don't mention guns!

LTC8K6 said:
I think a maniac who wanted to kill a bunch of kids would have just done something else if he couldn't use a gun.

A car is even easier to get, and you can mow down a lot of people with one, if you're crazy, or elderly...

A bomb is not that hard to make, especially if you're crazy and have time to plot and have internet access...

I just hate the idea of making a law based on what crazy people do or might do...

We had an "assault weapons" ban already, which did absolutely nothing,
except make it harder to get the exact rifle I wanted...didn't really ban anything capable of a massacre...

Somehow the way a rifle looks, makes it more deadly in some states still...
Or having to change a mag after 10 rounds somehow makes the gun safer...

I hope whatever law they come up with makes some sense, but I know it probably won't...

We will prob get a reissue of the Clinton "assault weapons" ban.
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No. It's easier to kill a lot of people quickly with a gun than it is with a car. Or a bomb. Otherwise there would be more mass car murder sprees.
 
Polaris said:
So you ban everything that isn't on Maslow's Heirarchy?
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I just cannot understand

A.The idea that because a few people misuse something that something should be taken away for everybody.

B.The whole mentality where people seem endlessly ready to give up individual liberty because of some utopian social ideal.
 
NoahFence said:
His hometown was listed as the place of the shooting, and he lives in Jersey, and he's in his early 20s. It's a coincidence of monumental proportion if that isn't him. Even money says it's his brother updating his facebook page, not him.
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You mean the dead brother?

I feel for the guy and I see no reason to believe he's speaking from the grave. Lanza is a common name and so is Ryan.
 
You don't want to give up your constitutional right to own a gun? Fine. Then just make it HARD (and I mean really hard) to qualify for owning a gun. None of this 21 day waiting period ********. Obligatory hands-on training for every gun type owned. Obligatory re-qualification every 2 years.

And tax the hell out of the bullets.
 
erlando said:
You don't want to give up your constitutional right to own a gun? Fine. Then just make it HARD (and I mean really hard) to qualify for owning a gun. None of this 21 day waiting period ********. Obligatory hands-on training for every gun type owned. Obligatory re-qualification every 2 years.

And tax the hell out of the bullets.
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I love that $5,000 bullet suggestion Chris Rock made.
 
erlando said:
You don't want to give up your constitutional right to own a gun? Fine. Then just make it HARD (and I mean really hard) to qualify for owning a gun. None of this 21 day waiting period ********. Obligatory hands-on training for every gun type owned. Obligatory re-qualification every 2 years.

And tax the hell out of the bullets.
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So only the rich can enjoy the shooting sports?
 
scarlettinlondon said:
I think you should give up that right. I think you should voluntarily and with glee give up that right. I don't think your right to have a gun outweighs the rights of those children to life.

Before you say it, I know you didn't kill them. I am sure you are responsible.

Someone else wasn't. You sound to me like a child saying it wasn't my stone that broke the window, therefore mummy shouldn't have come and stopped me from throwing stones around the garden
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God,your self righteouness is sickening.
And we AMericans are wierd:We are extremly reluctant to give up individual rights.
And we AMericans also resent being told what to do by citizens of a foreign country.
 
ehcks said:
I like hunting. I like venison. As long as we keep being dumb about wolves we have to hunt deer anyway.

So I'd like to at least keep hunting rifles and shotguns.
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Fine. In the UK you can get a gun and a gun licence for shooting and legitimate hunting. We have no problem with that. Farmers keep guns for shooting predators and stray dogs etc. We allow guns for legitimate purposes

We don't allow civilians to own or carry guns as it's not neccesary.

It works fine. I think you should try it. I recommend it. After all, what do you really have to lose other than a right which seems very antiquated in this modern world.
 
NoahFence said:
His hometown was listed as the place of the shooting, and he lives in Jersey, and he's in his early 20s. It's a coincidence of monumental proportion if that isn't him. Even money says it's his brother updating his facebook page, not him.
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At least a couple of the networks are now saying the name may not be correct.
 
thaiboxerken said:
You don't have guys going on stabbing sprees in crowded areas?
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LTC8K6 said:
The one that just happened in an elementary school in China is quite the coincidence...not really, since it seems to be a trend there of late.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/in-china-22-school-students-stabbed_816680.html
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thaiboxerken said:
Wow. How many died?
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Actually, something similar happened in England, not long after Dunblane. The aggressor used a machete. The teacher was given an award for bravery afterwards. It's quite hard to trace accounts of the incident, but it was in Wolverhampton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverhampton_machete_attack

The reason the name isn't on everyone's lips is - nobody was killed.

Rolfe.
 
Interesting how people cant wait to spread the BS, faster than a speeding bullet, BS graces the pages of the internet.
I heard the guy was a transgender evangelical with a bi-polar disorder who would have thunk it.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
That's possibly true, but often when these things unfold it turns out the guns used were newly acquired.

We should be able to limit the availability of needlessly large clips and at least decrease the numbers of dead in some of these tragedies.
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I'm still not sure how having to swap magazines would save anyone. It takes all of a second to do.

What you really want is fixed box magazines that have to be loaded from the top with stripper clips. They are pretty clumsy to use and slow to reload.

A broomhandle mauser is a classic example.

That would even slow me down. :)

Making a removable magazine smaller would not really slow me down if I were on a rampage.
 
And if you guys want to change the constitution of the United States you should start with outlawing religion not guns...
Once religion is gone the guns will take care of themselves.....
 
dudalb said:
God,your self righteouness is sickening.
And we AMericans are wierd:We are extremly reluctant to give up individual rights.
And we AMericans also resent being told what to do by citizens of a foreign country.
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This is the attitude that keeps these events happening. Sure, if you don't feel like it don't look at a system that doesn't have these problems and learn from it. Clearly I feel that I am right. Clearly you do.
I advise only
 
LTC8K6 said:
I think a maniac who wanted to kill a bunch of kids would have just done something else if he couldn't use a gun.

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There's no doubt. Some guy in China just stabbed to death a couple dozen school kids today as well.

But the idea is we might be able to decrease the frequency and the head count with some restrictions.
 
dudalb said:
God,your self righteouness is sickening.
And we AMericans are wierd:We are extremly reluctant to give up individual rights.
And we AMericans also resent being told what to do by citizens of a foreign country.
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Especially by the same people who waste no time telling Americans what ******** they are when they tell other countries what to do.
 
erlando said:
You don't want to give up your constitutional right to own a gun?
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Just treat it as we do any other constitutional right: recognize that it's not unlimited and that sometimes public safety outweighs the right.

Again, though, the biggest problem with the gun debate is that it's always phrased in terms of good guys and bad guys (or even criminals as opposed to law-abiding people), ignoring the fact that more than half of all gun deaths are suicides.

We could make common sense laws that would not be overly burdensome on most gun owners while likely reducing the number of gun fatalities due to mental illness.

As for these other silly strawman arguments (like outlawing matches because arson can kill people, or outlawing knives because knives are sometimes used in homicides), no one is calling for prohibition of all gun ownership (or at least it's not part of any mainstream debate, and there will never be any such legislation or constitutional amendment passed, or even seriously debated).

And until the number of fatalities due to arson or stabbing gets somewhere close to the number of gun-related deaths, that analogy is false.
 
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