School shooting: but don't mention guns!

smartcooky said:
Guns are too easy to get in the USA. These kinds school and mass shooting incidents could be minimised with tighter gun control.
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The New Zealand qualificatiopn process looks reasonable, but I would add a little more hands-on training, like qualifying fire on every weapon you own.

Having to deal with people too get and keep a weapon is a protection against the occassional gun owner who doesn't have all his headbolts torqued right.

I have only read this far in the thread, but am willing to bet that this has something to do with domestic violence or cutody issues, seeing as how someone mentioned that the shooter's own son is dead.
 
LashL said:
Meanwhile, the fellow whose face and Facebook photo are being plastered all over the Internet as the shooter is saying it wasn't him, and obviously it cannot be him if he's alive and updating his Facebook page (although I have read that the page has since been taken down).

http://www.mediaite.com/online/is-this-connecticut-school-shooter-ryan-lanzas-facebook/

Man, I'd hate to have a common name at a time like this.
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But in good news he's now got Scrut as a new FB friend
 
I don't mind all the talk about this, and I do think it's an incredibly unfortunate event, but the way some people are acting on twitter is annoying - telling others to stop talking about other subjects, saying no one should advertise their websites or businesses, etc. The world doesn't revolve around America or Americans.
 
Cain said:
It puzzles me why anyone would read story after story on this or watch continuous updates on the news. A bunch of kids were slaughtered. Some deranged ******* did it. Why invite that kind of darkness into your heart?
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Wow, you just said something I agree with! No kidding!
 
Professor Yaffle said:
I suspect the biggest factor in why these shootings have become almost commonplace in the US is the saturation media coverage (combined with relatively easy access to the means). I doubt the media (and the public it feeds on) will ever take this in and act upon it though.

http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/901518-aurora.pdf
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I would agree and I think it's pretty clear by the way these events happen so closely to each other they are copy cat killings perpetuated by both our media's willingness to report on what will get them the most ratings and through our own need to find out as much as we can about the events.



The first thing I thought of was this video this morning. And here it's happening all over again.
 
scarlettinlondon said:
Not at all.

Treatment should be available to those who need it.

Guns should not be freely available to those who want them.

If this fool had had a knife rather than a gun there would have been many more survivors
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And if he'd had a toothpick instead of a knife there would be even more survivors. I believe the best solution to problems is to treat their root cause, not just ameliorate the damage.
 
LashL said:
Meanwhile, the fellow whose face and Facebook photo are being plastered all over the Internet as the shooter is saying it wasn't him, and obviously it cannot be him if he's alive and updating his Facebook page (although I have read that the page has since been taken down).

http://www.mediaite.com/online/is-this-connecticut-school-shooter-ryan-lanzas-facebook/

Man, I'd hate to have a common name at a time like this.
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Oh boy. Poor guy. Before his page was taken down, I could see the number of his friends plummet each time I reloaded the page.

NBC News is now saying that the name may not even be correct.
 
timhau said:
Two words: Reality TV.
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Several more words: Crazy tea party politicians, "2nd amendment remedies", preaching revolt if Obama wins, etc.

I am NOT even mildly intending to suggest the guy was on the lunatic right, of course, the POINT, despite any number of people who seek to deny it, mischaracterize it, or otherwise try to hide the fact, public figures, be they good or bad, who advocate things enable the unhinged of any kind, including the "just merely unhinged".

This kind of enablement and (I presume accidental, although sometimes I wonder) encouragement is part of the reason this happens.

A complete lack of mental health care for those under the top 5% of wealth is another problem.

Finally, the stigma attached to mental health care is the third problem.

Except for the politicians who have been speaking violence, this isn't something tied to one party or group of people. Well, the media and the intentional incitement of anger and hatred we see from them needs to be mentioned, as well.

Again, this isn't about political parties, it's about advocation of violence and/or anger.
 
scarlettinlondon said:
because civilians don't need guns

you need food and shelter and education and medical care.

You don't need a gun as a civilian
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People don't "need" a lot of things. Including alcohol and cars. Yet that combination kills far more innocent folk than gun-toting lunatics...

Sorry, but as a very responsible gun owner, I should not have to give up my choice/right to own them because of some dick bag. That would be similar to me having to install an ignition breathalyzer in my car because my neighbor got a DWI.
 
Ziggurat said:
But it is an accurate description of what scarlettinlondon wants, and what I responded to:
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I am very sorry for the families of these children and adults killed. I don't really have a dog in this fight as I live in a country where civilians don't carry guns and even the police do not routinely carry guns.

Therefore I live in a country where we don't go through this a great deal.

I am always amazed that otherwise thoughtful, intelligent and rational people (such as are represented here) are irrational when it comes to gun control by saying such things as 'it's our right'. I knw you have the legal right to carry and own guns. I know it's part of your constitution. It doesn't stop me from thinking that it's insanity to keep those laws in today's society.

Bizarre to me
 
MaGZ said:
Fake tears from a fake president.
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So you're a Birther? :rolleyes:


I too am wondering just when the gun discussion can be had. I suggest the Pres set a date instead of just saying now is not the time. BTW, I do believe Obama noted the conversation was overdue.
 
LashL said:
Meanwhile, the fellow whose face and Facebook photo are being plastered all over the Internet as the shooter is saying it wasn't him, and obviously it cannot be him if he's alive and updating his Facebook page (although I have read that the page has since been taken down).

http://www.mediaite.com/online/is-this-connecticut-school-shooter-ryan-lanzas-facebook/

Man, I'd hate to have a common name at a time like this.
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His hometown was listed as the place of the shooting, and he lives in Jersey, and he's in his early 20s. It's a coincidence of monumental proportion if that isn't him. Even money says it's his brother updating his facebook page, not him.
 
scarlettinlondon said:
Not at all.

Treatment should be available to those who need it.

Guns should not be freely available to those who want them.

If this fool had had a knife rather than a gun there would have been many more survivors
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I think a maniac who wanted to kill a bunch of kids would have just done something else if he couldn't use a gun.

A car is even easier to get, and you can mow down a lot of people with one, if you're crazy, or elderly...

A bomb is not that hard to make, especially if you're crazy and have time to plot and have internet access...

I just hate the idea of making a law based on what crazy people do or might do...

We had an "assault weapons" ban already, which did absolutely nothing,
except make it harder to get the exact rifle I wanted...didn't really ban anything capable of a massacre...

Somehow the way a rifle looks, makes it more deadly in some states still...
Or having to change a mag after 10 rounds somehow makes the gun safer...

I hope whatever law they come up with makes some sense, but I know it probably won't...

We will prob get a reissue of the Clinton "assault weapons" ban.
 
Sabretooth said:
People don't "need" a lot of things. Including alcohol and cars. Yet that combination kills far more innocent folk than gun-toting lunatics...

Sorry, but as a very responsible gun owner, I should not have to give up my choice/right to own them because of some dick bag. That would be similar to me having to install an ignition breathalyzer in my car because my neighbor got a DWI.
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I think you should give up that right. I think you should voluntarily and with glee give up that right. I don't think your right to have a gun outweighs the rights of those children to life.

Before you say it, I know you didn't kill them. I am sure you are responsible.

Someone else wasn't. You sound to me like a child saying it wasn't my stone that broke the window, therefore mummy shouldn't have come and stopped me from throwing stones around the garden
 
Delscottio said:
Too far gone with the number of guns out there....
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That's possibly true, but often when these things unfold it turns out the guns used were newly acquired.

We should be able to limit the availability of needlessly large clips and at least decrease the numbers of dead in some of these tragedies.
 
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