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School shooting: but don't mention guns!

R.Mackey said:
Out of two service pistols??

Let's not join the speculation, guys.
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I wasn't speculating. I was repeating a witness quote from a reputable news outlet.

At the press conference, the police said there are about 20 dead including at least 10 children.

Something like 100 rounds sounds like an accurate estimate.

ETA: R.Mackey, why would you take early reports of the number and type of weapons used as reliable but any other information so reported as "speculation"?
 
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Agatha said:
Terrible news. I cannot fathom what could make a person take a gun into a school full of young children.
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Sure fire way of getting some attention / infamy is all I can think of? I can't really blame the media but it would be nice if they didn't report these events in such a dramatic fashion.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
I wasn't speculating. I was repeating a witness quote from a reputable news outlet.

At the press conference, the police said there are about 20 dead including at least 10 children.

Something like 100 rounds sounds like an accurate estimate.

ETA: R.Mackey, why would you take early reports of the number and type of weapons used as reliable but any other information so reported as "speculation"?
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Because reporting early and confused reports doesn't help. There's no reason why we can't wait a little bit.

Other "witness quotes" have mentioned two shooters and fully automatic weapons. Neither of those, I trust you'll allow, are likely to be found true when this is sorted out.

Again, our thoughts should be with the victims. Just calm it down.
 
DDWW said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
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Pure evil. And I bet there were laws against bombs, just as I'm sure this school was a gun-free zone. See, when you "outlaw guns, only outlaws will..." As a wise man on this forum once wrote in a comparable incident: "This senseless tragedy could have been averted if the government didn't make illegal for children to have guns."
 
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Delscottio said:
Sure fire way of getting some attention / infamy is all I can think of? I can't really blame the media but it would be nice if they didn't report these events in such a dramatic fashion.
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Its become "the thing you do" when you are angry/alienated etc etc and want attention. The best thing we can do is switch off our TVs and pay it as little attention as possible. If we don't we are just as responsible as "the media" for the next one.
 
Monketey Ghost said:
There are fire alarms and escape routes with plans, don't make a ridiculous comparison and then draw a conclusion from it as if it were legit.
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I took Cain's post as tongue in cheek. (Or is there a 2nd Amendment individual right for anyone to keep and carry hand grenades?*)

If not, he's only arguing against a strawman position, soundly defeating the position that all guns should be banned.


*Substitute for "hand grenades" chemical, biological or nuclear arms. A point I like to make is that nowhere does the 2nd Amendment mention "guns" or "firearms". Since everyone, I think, admits that there is not an unlimited right of individuals to own chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, I think everyone recognizes that whatever the individual right the 2nd Amendment creates, it may be weighed against legitimate state interests such as public safety.
 
I'll gladly argue about gun control in a civil manner on another day, but right now I'm too overwhelmed with horror at the situation.
 
I am pro-gun as well. However, actions such as this...where a man walks into a KIDS school and starts firing away...it isn't about the guns.

This guy wanted to go out in a demon-blaze and you'd be hard pressed to make me believe he wouldn't have found another weapon(s) to make sure it happened.
 
R.Mackey said:
Because reporting early and confused reports doesn't help. There's no reason why we can't wait a little bit.

Other "witness quotes" have mentioned two shooters and fully automatic weapons. Neither of those, I trust you'll allow, are likely to be found true when this is sorted out.
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None of the statements I made (in question) were "speculation". And in fact, as I've shown, the witness statement I repeated is reasonable in the light of the statement from law enforcement.

But again, how is it that you found early reports of the two guns in use to be reliable but other reports to be mere "speculation"?

[ETA: FWIW, the sources I was following as the story broke did not include any statement about there being two shooters using fully automatic weapons. I'm not sure where you heard that.]


Again, our thoughts should be with the victims. Just calm it down.
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I have room in my mind to process thoughts in addition to feeling sympathy for the victims.

And I am calm, thank you.
 
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JoeTheJuggler said:
None of the statements I made were "speculation". And in fact, as I've shown, the witness statement I repeated is reasonable in the light of the statement from law enforcement.

But again, how is it that you found early reports of the two guns in use to be reliable but other reports to be mere "speculation"?

[ETA: FWIW, the sources I was following as the story broke did not include any statement about there being two shooters using fully automatic weapons. I'm not sure where you heard that.]




I have room in my mind to process thoughts in addition to feeling sympathy for the victims.

And I am calm, thank you.
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Expecting a witness involved to reliably count shots to over 100 is unrealistic. Reminds me of certain folks who think a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon on 9/11 because of where some people on the ground thought it flew.

I've heard all kinds of wild speculation. So it goes in the Twitter era. Don't fall for it. We will get our answers.
 
Back in July everyone was horrified with the shooting in that cinema. In 6 months or sometime next year there will be another one. This is simply the price Americans are more than willing to pay to uphold their constitutional rights.
 
Sabretooth said:
This guy wanted to go out in a demon-blaze and you'd be hard pressed to make me believe he wouldn't have found another weapon(s) to make sure it happened.
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And it's critical that he would have killed just as many people. He could've used anything -- a hunting knife, scissors, plastic bags...
 
It's all over the Beeb in realtime. Word fail me, although "sick" keeps coming to mind.
 
stunned

I don't think I'll post in this thread or read the story or pursue thinking about it anymore because I just read the first paragraph of the story and it turned my stomach. This was horrific.
 
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