Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[Clayton Moore]

Allow me to second the praise for your links.
I've also bookmarked them.

You're welcome.

 

[zooterkin]

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/thimerosal/thimerosal_timeline.html

The CDC says otherwise.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

What, the bit where it says:

Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Ahahhahahaha

So the body is ready to accept bicarbonate, potassium and sodium phosphates into the body through the skin and utilize them?

ahahahahha

Yes.

If these chemicals enter the body trough the skin the body is able to utilize them.
Especially in the trace amounts present in a vaccine.
How can you not know this?

Of course you also consistently ignore the fact that the human immune system from the start can handle far more than 8 antigens in a single go, so your appeal to numbers is equally silly.
Simply cutting your finger will expose you to about 50 different strains of bacteria. Breathing the air of a room with people (say visitors to see a newborn baby) will expose you to a similar amout of viruses (which dont NEED a broken skin to enter).
And some of those viruses are so virulent that if the immune system encouters them for the first time without being primed by a weakened version they can cause irrepairable and well known harm.
By vaccinating the percentage of children catching such diseases have decreased by several orders of magnitude.

On the other hand, some people without medical background claim vaccines cause autism pointing to a paper from a well known fraud who wanted to replace the standard vaccine with his own brand.

 

[pakeha]

You're welcome.

Oh dear, CM, I meant jdc324's links.
Sorry for the confusion.

As is becoming a pattern, your own latest links actually show the contrary to your premise.

So at the end of the day, just what is the link between vaxx and autism?

 

[Estellea]

I didn't say that one of the chart's header did.

http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

No you don't Clay; you are using that source that stated "heavy metals" are in MMR and MMR-V so please tell me what those heavy metals are. Just go back to your source and identify it.

Este

 

[Dcdrac]

So far no proven link at all between vaccines and autism.

None of mr Moores psots have shown any evidence of it what so ever

 

[Clayton Moore]

Oh dear, CM, I meant jdc324's links.
Sorry for the confusion.

As is becoming a pattern, your own latest links actually show the contrary to your premise.

So at the end of the day, just what is the link between vaxx and autism?

The link is that hundreds of thousands of toddlers become autistic shortly after receiving an MMR vaccination. Plus the medical community, after decades of supposed investigation, can't figure out why, what is it now, one toddler in 85, will become autistic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/30/health/rate-of-autism-diagnoses-has-climbed-study-finds.html
Diagnoses of Autism on the Rise, Report Says

The likelihood of a child’s being given a diagnosis of autism, Asperger syndrome or a related disorder increased more than 20 percent from 2006 to 2008, according to a report released on Thursday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Readers’ Comments

The new report estimates that in 2008 one child in 88 received one of these diagnoses, known as autism spectrum disorders, by age 8, compared with about one in 110 two years earlier. The estimated rate in 2002 was about one in 155.

The estimated rates in those states varied widely, from one in 210 children in Alabama to one in 47 in Utah.

The sharpest increases appeared among Hispanic and black children, who historically have been less likely to receive an autism spectrum diagnosis than white children.

The pinks show obvious evidence that poor people would be more likely to be UNDER-VACCINATED and therefore less likely to receive an autism spectrum diagnosis.

 

[Dcdrac]

Mr Moore where is the evidence in a Peer reviewed scientific paper to back any of your last links assertions

 

[shuttlt]

The link is that hundreds of thousands of toddlers become autistic shortly after receiving an MMR vaccination.

You know perfectly well what the standard explanation for this is. How do you get around that? I don't understand why you would even post this without explaining why the normal explanation for this is wrong.

 

[Giordano]

So far no proven link at all between vaccines and autism.

None of mr Moores psots have shown any evidence of it what so ever

None of mr moore's posts have shown any evidence, period.

 

[Giordano]

Ahahhahahaha

So the body is ready to accept bicarbonate, potassium and sodium phosphates into the body through the skin and utilize them?

ahahahahha

Another attempt to hide your lack of knowledge and evidence by using derision??

To answer your question: yes the body easily accepts these chemicals by injection and utilizes them, just as they are utilized from food (although there is quite a bit more in food). And they are not just in vaccines, but in many other drugs.

Medical scientists could have simply said, "well these are natural chemicals so common sense says they are safe to inject." But they didn't stop there. They understood the limits of "common sense." They repeatedly tested these chemicals in various combinations, and in the final vaccines, and proved they are safe.

Science and proof versus dreamed up, discredited suppositions... I know which I trust.

 

[Capsid]

Chemicals get absorbed through the skin anyway. Nicotine patches?

 

[Estellea]

The link is that hundreds of thousands of toddlers become autistic shortly after receiving an MMR vaccination. Plus the medical community, after decades of supposed investigation, can't figure out why, what is it now, one toddler in 85, will become autistic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/30/health/rate-of-autism-diagnoses-has-climbed-study-finds.html
Diagnoses of Autism on the Rise, Report Says

The pinks show obvious evidence that poor people would be more likely to be UNDER-VACCINATED and therefore less likely to receive an autism spectrum diagnosis.

Obvious Clay? To whom? Let's see, it couldn't be because lower socio-economic classes don't have access to appropriate medical attention to get a diagnosis, or services to receive therapies or the education to understand that their infant/toddler is not meeting milestones. Nah, can't be that right Clay?

I'm still waiting for your explanation of heavy metals in vaccines Clay. Please show me where they are in the ingredients lists for MMR and MMR-V. Why are you dodging this?

Este

 

[shuttlt]

Given that Clayton's arguments are basically the same as every other anti-vaxer and the response is the same as it always is, I wonder whether it wouldn't be more worthwhile for Clayton to say whether he has something to add to this well worn conversation?

Really, what's the point otherwise. Trolling?

 

[jdc324]

[snip]
I'm still waiting for your explanation of heavy metals in vaccines Clay. Please show me where they are in the ingredients lists for MMR and MMR-V. Why are you dodging this?

I would also like to know why Clayton is dodging this. Oh, and the post I wrote about mercury and autism...

Come to think of it, there are quite a few things that Clayton has dodged in this thread.

 

[Estellea]

I would also like to know why Clayton is dodging this. Oh, and the post I wrote about mercury and autism...

Come to think of it, there are quite a few things that Clayton has dodged in this thread.

Oh I know. He just starts other trollish threads to divert attention away from his scientific-ignorance, racism and a mryiad of other denialisms. Oddly, his diversionary strategy merely emphasises his proclivities.

Este

 

[pakeha]

The link is that hundreds of thousands of toddlers become autistic shortly after receiving an MMR vaccination. Plus the medical community, after decades of supposed investigation, can't figure out why, what is it now, one toddler in 85, will become autistic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/30/health/rate-of-autism-diagnoses-has-climbed-study-finds.html ...

The pinks show obvious evidence that poor people would be more likely to be UNDER-VACCINATED and therefore less likely to receive an autism spectrum diagnosis.

Hi, CM, thanks for the reply.
All these points have been covered by other posters.
What I would like to mention is that your final sentence has me puzzled- why would the poor in the USA not receive the MMR and MMR-V?

 

[jdc324]

No you don't Clay; you are using that source that stated "heavy metals" are in MMR and MMR-V so please tell me what those heavy metals are. Just go back to your source and identify it.

Este

I'll save Clayton the trouble of checking to see whether there was any thimerosal in MMR. I can't think of any other source of "heavy metals" that Clayton might be thinking of. Perhaps if there is something he has in mind he can let us know.

Table 3 here: http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228 thimerosal content is listed as 0 for MMR

This WHO page explains why it would not be used for MMR: http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/thiomersal/questions/en/ "Many licensed vaccines do not contain thiomersal. Such vaccines include vaccines in single-dose presentation or vaccines for which thiomersal would interfere with vaccine efficacy such as live vaccines including MMR, oral and inactivated polio, yellow fever, and BCG vaccine."

 

[Estellea]

I'll save Clayton the trouble of checking to see whether there was any thimerosal in MMR. I can't think of any other source of "heavy metals" that Clayton might be thinking of. Perhaps if there is something he has in mind he can let us know.

Table 3 here: http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228 thimerosal content is listed as 0 for MMR

This WHO page explains why it would not be used for MMR: http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/thiomersal/questions/en/ "Many licensed vaccines do not contain thiomersal. Such vaccines include vaccines in single-dose presentation or vaccines for which thiomersal would interfere with vaccine efficacy such as live vaccines including MMR, oral and inactivated polio, yellow fever, and BCG vaccine."

Ack, you're not supposed to be doing his work. I know the answer to my question but I want Clayton to substantiate his source's claim that MMR and MMR-V contain "heavy metals". If he can't then he should be questioning his sources (or at least a presumably honest person would).

So Clayton, the question still stands, what heavy metals are in MMR and MMR-V as you claimed?

Este

 

[abaddon]

Ack, you're not supposed to be doing his work. I know the answer to my question but I want Clayton to substantiate his source's claim that MMR and MMR-V contain "heavy metals". If he can't then he should be questioning his sources (or at least a presumably honest person would).

So Clayton, the question still stands, what heavy metals are in MMR and MMR-V as you claimed?

Este

Ack, Clay has wandered off to pastures new, and will not be back until he thinks the heat has died down.