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Proof of Life After Death!!

meg said:
Well, I guess my only response to that is that if you see the evidence of the trickery in a magic act, it's not a very good magic act. That's kind of the whole point of the "amazing" part.

If Robin blogged that she saw John Edward saw a lady in half and put her magically back together, would you say that there is no evidence that John Edward did not in fact saw a lady in half?

Magicians do tricks. It's what they do.
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I think you're equivocating the word "evidence", there.

What I'm saying is that there is nothing in Robin's story that cannot easily be explained by cold reading. Absolutely nothing. Therefore there is no reason to assume that any technique other than cold reading was used.
 
Robin Stettnisch said:
Ok, Ok...I do know that there is NO way to convince a true non-believer...just take my husband - please. : ) C'mon do any of you ever crack a smile? And not all on here are true non-believers. I've said my piece and I do truly thank you for listening. You will not change my mind and I will not change yours...but I am at peace with that.
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Then, like many others, I would like to know why you posted here. Not being rude, just a question to satisfy my curiosity.


RemieV said:
What a silly little tangent. If I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the dead were constantly communicating the word 'Cantaloupe', the response would be "Harharhar, dumb dead people!"?

I mean, really, it's one thing to be skeptical of someone's experience and say that their evidence isn't good enough, and an entirely different one to crap all over their experience and mock what they believe their dead relative was trying to communicate to them.
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I didn't read those comments as mocking the subject, I read them as, "Would someone's father, finally communicating after being dead for X months or years, really have nothing more to say than to talk about refrigerators?" It's really more mocking the psychics than the subjects.
 
Elizabeth I said:
I didn't read those comments as mocking the subject, I read them as, "Would someone's father, finally communicating after being dead for X months or years, really have nothing more to say than to talk about refrigerators?" It's really more mocking the psychics than the subjects.
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Yeah, I don't get it.

These . . . psychics aren't grief counselors, they're grief vultures and they feed on loss and emotional vulnerability. They shouldn't be lauded or well-paid; they should be frog-walked off a short pier.
 
I do, I'm afraid, have to take issue with point of your otherwise excellent post, meg.
meg said:
John Edward is just a magician
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He's not JUST a magician. He's also a parasite preying on the vulnerable and a 24-carat ****.
 
After recording two John Edward shows and witnessing an unbelievably good hit, I maintain that his method some of the time (not in the OP, as it isn't necessary) is hot reading. But how he manages it, I've no idea. It isn't credit cards or driver's licenses or hidden microphones. My best guess is that he has sign-up questionnaires at the box office that are only given to some of the people who attend.
 
Robin Stettnisch said:
Skeptic Ginger and all....Of course I'm still lurking!! This is fascinating stuff AND addicting! Started blogging at all only recently...for years had health issue next door,
35+ feral cats, and a crazy neighbor who feeds anything and everything who then ended up getting attacked by a rabid raccoon. Since the rabid raccoon fed from the same bowls as the colony of cats and there was possible physical interaction there also was the possibility that the cats could be infected with rabies. Are you sorry you asked? More to the story but to make a long story short...sort of... someone suggested a blog would help draw more attention to the issue. And so my very first blog was born..."Rabies Outbreak in Westchester County and the Connection to Feral Cats." It quickly became very popular on the blogsite, a local paper published it as a guest commentary, and a well-reputed animal clinic/ hospital asked for my permission to copy it and distribute it to their clients. Then I realized that this blogging stuff could really be helpful and significant in spreading the word...and that word later evolved into "Proof of Life After Death." And so here I am today...just tryin' to spread a little light.
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Makes sense, but you left off why you posted here? How are you choosing the forums you are linking to your blog?
 
Resume said:
Yeah, I don't get it.

These . . . psychics aren't grief counselors, they're grief vultures and they feed on loss and emotional vulnerability. They shouldn't be lauded or well-paid; they should be frog-walked off a short pier.
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Hear hear
 
Elizabeth I said:
I didn't read those comments as mocking the subject, I read them as, "Would someone's father, finally communicating after being dead for X months or years, really have nothing more to say than to talk about refrigerators?" It's really more mocking the psychics than the subjects.
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Resume said:
Yeah, I don't get it.
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Thank you both for seeing that I was not mocking nor attempting to insult Robin -- or anyone else. RemieV, I didn't respond to your posting because I know how differently people see things. If you saw it as insulting, that's how you saw it.

I just hope that someone, somewhere, might one time have the presence of mind to ask a question like the one I suggested. Even if that person is a believer in the psychic ability of the performer.

And yes, Resume is correct: That was an attempt to put the "psychic" on the spot, not the person being given the (supposed) message.

Back on topic:

Without answers to some of the specific questions that have been asked about Robin's experience, there is nothing but anecdotal evidence. I hasten to add that I believe that Robin believes that she remembers accurately.
 
Elizabeth I said:
Then, like many others, I would like to know why you posted here. Not being rude, just a question to satisfy my curiosity.



I didn't read those comments as mocking the subject, I read them as, "Would someone's father, finally communicating after being dead for X months or years, really have nothing more to say than to talk about refrigerators?" It's really more mocking the psychics than the subjects.
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I hope that when people read my blog it opens up their mind to new possibilities...and that doesn't mean I expect everyone to agree with me. Death is something we all have in common...what could be more fascinating than an answer to the question of is there life after death? And what could be more hopeful , peaceful, comforting and uplifting if that answer is really a YES. I do believe our deceased loved ones are able to give us signs to let us know they are well and watching over us. The "slippers" sign is just one of many that I've had...just as unexplainable. Just to show you how skeptical I really am there are certain signs I've gotten or information about me that I purposely will never make public ( in any forum)...because there really does need to be unknowns and "can't find outs" in your life to prove that a medium is real. I know you all are bending over backwards to explain John knowing about my refrigerator or my brother's Valerie Harper connection...but I do believe the truth can sometimes be as simple as it seems...John Edward can communicate with those who have crossed over (I hate to say dead cause they're not). For example, based on my descriptions in my blog and comments and posts on this thread of what actually happened , none of you have been able to explain to me (successfully in my mind) what I believe to be unknowable to John. You all gave me possible scenarios to explain how you think John did what he did ...all of which I had carefully considered and DISMISSED (well before this blog) as not being the case in my reading with John Edward...I weighed the evidence and believe ..ok...know it is more probable that John really could communicate with my Dad than any attempts to prove otherwise. And I'm still waiting for an exact list of what I charged on my credit card from anyone here. : ) But believe me it goes way beyond that. So while some of you think my new refrigerator or my brother's Valerie Harper connection are insignificant facts for my Dad to communicate to John...it is these exact unknowable seemingly "insignificant" things that PROVE to me my father is well and able to see what is going on in his loved ones everyday lives. These "insignificant" facts mean the world to us. So if by spreading links to my blog I make people think or hope or believe...well that little bit of Light can go a long , long way.
 
Robin Stettnisch said:
I hope that when people read my blog it opens up their mind to new possibilities...and that doesn't mean I expect everyone to agree with me. Death is something we all have in common...what could be more fascinating than an answer to the question of is there life after death? And what could be more hopeful , peaceful, comforting and uplifting if that answer is really a YES. [snip] ...
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For some people, life after death might be comforting, but certainly not for everyone. I really don't see why it's the preferable alternative emotionally. (Not to mention that it makes no sense at all to me.)
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Makes sense, but you left off why you posted here? How are you choosing the forums you are linking to your blog?
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Someone claiming to be the" Amazing RandY" posted a few comments/link on my blog which got me to thinking and researching and ultimately here. So all of this is his fault!
 
Robin Stettnisch said:
Death is something we all have in common...what could be more fascinating than an answer to the question of is there life after death? And what could be more hopeful , peaceful, comforting and uplifting if that answer is really a YES.
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That's a matter of opinion. I can't see why life after death is a good thing, to be honest. Wouldn't it get boring after the first trillion years? And what happens after the heat death of the universe?

You all gave me possible scenarios to explain how you think John did what he did ...all of which I had carefully considered and DISMISSED (well before this blog) as not being the case in my reading with John Edward...I weighed the evidence and believe ..ok...know it is more probable that John really could communicate with my Dad than any attempts to prove otherwise.
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You think it more likely that your father said that his name had an "ST" sound, when it doesn't, than that John Edward was using the cold reading trick of throwing common letters out to the audience and allowing people to make their own connections? You'll forgive me if I say that, from a point of view that's not emotionally attached to the answer, John Edward being a cold reader seems more likely.

And I'm still waiting for an exact list of what I charged on my credit card from anyone here. : )
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Tell you what, you answer some of the many questions you've studiously avoided answering so far in this thread, and we'll see about answering some of yours.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
That's a matter of opinion. I can't see why life after death is a good thing, to be honest. Wouldn't it get boring after the first trillion years? And what happens after the heat death of the universe?



You think it more likely that your father said that his name had an "ST" sound, when it doesn't, than that John Edward was using the cold reading trick of throwing common letters out to the audience and allowing people to make their own connections? You'll forgive me if I say that, from a point of view that's not emotionally attached to the answer, John Edward being a cold reader seems more likely.



Tell you what, you answer some of the many questions you've studiously avoided answering so far in this thread, and we'll see about answering some of yours.
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I said in my original blog that it was NOT the ST sound (which doesn't have to be Stephen only could be Scott, Salvatore, stettnisch...) that convinced me .. Even though that was directed to us specifically. Not nearly enough I agree. Why does noone actually listen or really "hear" what I'm saying. Now will you tell me my exact credit card charges?
 
Robin Stettnisch said:
Yes you found out a lot of information about me..exactly the information that would NOT impress me if a medium told me because I KNOW that is all easily verifiable information through the Internet. And so I will pose a final challenge to the members of this thread...What did I buy on my credit card today?
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I don't know and I don't care. The burden of proof is on you, since you made the claim of proof of life after death.

I'm enjoying reading this thread, but I'm not about to take-on any homework tasks.
 
John Jones said:
I don't know and I don't care. The burden of proof is on you, since you made the claim of proof of life after death.

I'm enjoying reading this thread, but I'm not about to take-on any homework tasks.
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The POINT being you nor anyone else on this thread could do it if they tried. And tried. And tried. And tried....
 
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