iPhone 5

[quadraginta]

My point was a large portion of those 'smartphone sales' won't be easily monetized because they won't really be used any differently than a 'dumbphone' or 'featurephone'.

Do you disagree ?

Why should I?

What has that got to do with the comparative numbers of iPhone vs. Samsung smartphones chosen by consumers?

And it was in the context of : There is more to being in a good position in the smartphone market than simply sheer numbers/volume of sales.

Do you disagree ?

Why should I?

What has that got to do with the comparative numbers of iPhone vs. Samsung smartphones chosen by consumers?

Are you suggesting that consumers choose the model of phone they want to buy on the basis of whether or not they can be "easily monetized"?

When I go to shop for a new 'smartphone' I'm going to look for one with as many 'features' as I can comfortably afford. This is likely to have little to do with whether I need or use them very much. I'm not going to care whether someone else can "monetize" them or not.

Also SD slot and user replaceable battery. Those aren't 'features', though. They're fundamental, common-sense, basic equipment.

Although they may be hard to "monetize".

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Why should I?

What has that got to do with the comparative numbers of iPhone vs. Samsung smartphones chosen by consumers?


Why should I?

What has that got to do with the comparative numbers of iPhone vs. Samsung smartphones chosen by consumers?

Are you suggesting that consumers choose the model of phone they want to buy on the basis of whether or not they can be "easily monetized"?

When I go to shop for a new 'smartphone' I'm going to look for one with as many 'features' as I can comfortably afford. This is likely to have little to do with whether I need or use them very much. I'm not going to care whether someone else can "monetize" them or not.

Also SD slot and user replaceable battery. Those aren't 'features', though. They're fundamental, common-sense, basic equipment.

Although they may be hard to "monetize".

It has nothing to do with consumer choice, per se. It was a tangential discussion in a thread that has been full of tangential discussions. I already explained why I thought it was relevant.

You might well ask why the number of phones samsung sells is relevant to a discussion thread titles iPhone 5 ?

 

[carlitos]

It has nothing to do with consumer choice, per se. It was a tangential discussion in a thread that has been full of tangential discussions. I already explained why I thought it was relevant.

You might well ask why the number of phones samsung sells is relevant to a discussion thread titled iPhone 5 ?

You might ask the OP:

.....

Just to start the trashtalking off, I would note that we all have been seeing for weeks (unless you completely avoid the news) dozens of articles about how the iPhone 5 will be a "catch up" phone.

Almost every new feature it will have is already on the Samsung phones (and other Android phones). (Apple needs to hurry up and get those features out there so they can sue Samsung for copying them. )
Anyway, this new article sums up many of those features we have been hearing about:

iPhone 5: 10 Rumored Features You'll Already Find in Competing Devices

 

[This is The End]

It matters a great deal to some people, like software developers.

But who cares about that besides the developers?

If you say the end user, does that not make your argument circular??

#1 The end user only uses the phone for an alarm clock.
#2 The developers don't like this so they develop for another platform.
#3 The end user still only uses the phone for an alarm clock...

You may then try to say: Well the end user really wants to buy more software. But if you do that it debunks your entire argument!! It cancels out #1.

If the end user buys a platform that has zero content, that is their prerogative...

I swear this is absolutely the weirdest form of Apple fan damage control I have seen yet.

Let's call this one:

"Apple is still (selling more/the best/enter whatever the Apple fan boy goal is here) because people only use Samsung phones as alarm clocks, therefore developers do not make any apps for Samsung phones."

 

[This is The End]

You might ask the OP:

First of all, it happens in every thread. That's what "I might as well start it off in the OP" means. Also it was clearly lighthearted.

Secondly:

You might well ask why the number of phones samsung sells is relevant to a discussion thread titled iPhone 5 ?

That is an absolute joke.

They are their main competition!

Go into US Politics and find me a thread about Democrats that contains no discussion of Republicans. Or vice versa.

Go into Sports and find a thread about the Yankees that contains no discussion of the Red Sox!

So into a video games sub-forum and find a thread about XBOX360 that does not contain discussion of PS3.

Find an Apple PC thread where no-one mentions Windows.

Find an Apple phone thread where no-one mentions Android.

To try and blame me for this happening is ridiculous.

I said in the above post that the "feature phone" argument was the absolutely weirdest Apple fan damage control I have seen yet...

Well this one is probably the saddest.

The "Oh please do not even mention the competition!" argument.

 

[carlitos]

OK. Congratulations.

 

[This is The End]

OK. Congratulations.

Well just as long at you admit that it would have happened anyway, whether or not I said anything about the competition in the OP.


Also, just to be fair, I'm going to quote the OP like you did, but yet I am going to highlight the part you didn't.

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Just to start the trashtalking off, I would note that we all have been seeing for weeks (unless you completely avoid the news) dozens of articles about how the iPhone 5 will be a "catch up" phone.

Almost every new feature it will have is already on the Samsung phones (and other Android phones).

(Apple needs to hurry up and get those features out there so they can sue Samsung for copying them. )

Anyway, this new article sums up many of those features we have been hearing about:

iPhone 5: 10 Rumored Features You'll Already Find in Competing Devices

As can be clearly seen I was regurgitating what every single article had been saying for weeks leading up to the event. Dozens of articles. You would literally have to have not visited any online news sites any day for weeks to miss seeing at least 1 article do it.

And unlike those articles I had it as an aside at the bottom of my post. The entire first part of the post, which carlitos snipped out, was just the facts.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Are you going to respond to post 574 ?

 

[carlitos]

Well just as long at you admit that it would have happened anyway, whether or not I said anything about the competition in the OP.

I'm not "admitting" anything of the sort. What exactly are you on about? I noted that you mentioned Samsung in the OP. That's it. Your OP clearly taunts "Apple fanbois," which is entirely your prerogative.

Hey L8Elvis, that "574" links to a $299 laptop at MicroCenter.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I'm not "admitting" anything of the sort. What exactly are you on about? I noted that you mentioned Samsung in the OP. That's it. Your OP clearly taunts "Apple fanbois," which is entirely your prerogative.

Hey L8Elvis, that "574" links to a $299 laptop at MicroCenter.

ROTFL ... I was helping my sister shop for a cheap laptop. Thanks, I will fix it

 

[This is The End]

I'm not "admitting" anything of the sort. What exactly are you on about?

It's a very simple question:

Do you admit that the thread (about the iPhone 5) would have started discussing the competition (Android phones) with or without me doing it first it in the OP?

If you refuse to answer that, so be it.

On top of that, the end part of the OP was clearly a joke about that very thing. And about how every article leading up to the release of the iPhone 5 was doing it as well.

You trying to turn that into me having anything to do with "why the number of phones samsung sells is relevant to a discussion thread titled iPhone 5" is about as silly as me being at fault for bringing up Republicans in a thread about Democrats in the OP of a thread in US Politics.

Just imagine if someone 600 posts in that hypothetical US Politics thread asks you "why are the Republicans relevant in a discussion thread about Democrats".

And then instead of answering that person:

"Because they are the main competition, obviously."

You instead chose to answer that person:

"Why don't you ask the OP, they started it!!"

 

[carlitos]

I have no idea why you care which phone is better or more popular or why you mentioned Samsung in a post about iPhone 5. I was kind of interested in how many active smartphones there are because that matters to my professional life. I sort of care about the new iOS, because I use it every day.

It seems very important to you to argue with someone. That someone won't be me anymore.

 

[Darat]

It matters a great deal to some people, like software developers. If you want to look at the potential market of smartphone users then you need to refine the raw unit sales numbers using the usage numbers. It's the reason iOS is still the first choice platform for new development.
But I'll let this tangent lie to avoid further derail.

But it isn't - it depends entirely on the app, the market the developers want to reach and so on. For example a keyboard app.

 

[lionking]

Can someone help with an iPhone5 question? I don't want to start a thread if I can help it.

I have an iPad3 which happily recognises my home wifi network, and I'm posting on it now. Yet when my iPhone bothers to recognise the network (it can take minutes) it always asks for a password. And drops out regularly, which the iPad never does.

Am I doing something monumentally stupid? Wouldn't be the first time.

Oh jeez, it's just recognised the network and the password and is now telling me it can't join the network. Help!

 

[TJM]

Can someone help with an iPhone5 question? I don't want to start a thread if I can help it.

I have an iPad3 which happily recognises my home wifi network, and I'm posting on it now. Yet when my iPhone bothers to recognise the network (it can take minutes) it always asks for a password. And drops out regularly, which the iPad never does.

Am I doing something monumentally stupid? Wouldn't be the first time.

Oh jeez, it's just recognised the network and the password and is now telling me it can't join the network. Help!

Have you updated to the latest version of IOS 6?

 

[This is The End]

I have no idea why you care which phone is better or more popular or why you mentioned Samsung in a post about iPhone 5. I was kind of interested in how many active smartphones there are because that matters to my professional life. I sort of care about the new iOS, because I use it every day.

It seems very important to you to argue with someone. That someone won't be me anymore.

OK so instead of answering the question:

Do you admit that the thread (about the iPhone 5) would have started discussing the competition (Android phones) with or without me doing it first it in the OP?

Which would give us insight into why you did what you did:

Just imagine if someone 600 posts in that hypothetical US Politics thread asks you "why are the Republicans relevant in a discussion thread about Democrats".

And then instead of answering that person:

"Because they are the main competition, obviously."

You instead chose to answer that person:

"Why don't you ask the OP, they started it!!"

You chose instead of accusing me of "just wanting to argue"??

Is asking you to answer a simple question arguing?

Is asking you to help explain why you told someone an answer that seems to me to be illogical arguing??

Is there a clear cut line between a conversation and having an argument, or is it, in fact, an overlapping range? Because the post of mine directly above yours, that you were responding to, sure reads like it is trying to be quite serious to me.


I'm sorry but I'm not just going to not post if someone gives someone else an illogical answer especially if it pertains to me.

Just like I'm not going to just not post if someone posts rediculous spin, especially if it is not true. Be it if the spin is for or against Apple, Samsung, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, etc.

 

[lionking]

Have you updated to the latest version of IOS 6?

That's the first thing I checked, and yes.

It looks like I'll have to reboot to factory settings, but still can't understand why the iPad accesses wifi brilliantly and the iPhone doesn't.

 

[TJM]

That's the first thing I checked, and yes.

It looks like I'll have to reboot to factory settings, but still can't understand why the iPad accesses wifi brilliantly and the iPhone doesn't.

Will your iPhone connect to a public connection? If it will then your router probably needs a reset.

 

[carlitos]

Yeah, unplug both your modem and router. Plug in the modem first, then after that's up and has the internet light on, then turn on your router.

 

[funk de fino]

I am. Since I have no intentions of going to Dubai, I'll take your word for it.

Great thing about theee phones is you dont have to. Thats kinda the point.

Even if you don't many people do, so it's a win.

Not if the bloody map doesnt work, The turn by turn is a bit of a waste of time if the phone doent know where you want to go.

Google maps were awesome wherever I travelled. Apple Maps sucks in many of them.