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Presidential Primaries 2016

Agreed, they need to distance themselves from the extreme elements of their party and relate more to minority voters. That is something I have been saying for awhile. They also need to rid of the southern strategy which worked up until this election. It's not impossible because the Democrats are living proof that a party can change into something good if they want to. I hope the Republicans can learn a thing or two from the democrats and transform into something which promotes human rights instead of devaluing them.

They don't need to do anything as extreme as the Democrats did because they aren't promoting anything as extreme as segregation. They are pretty much rid of the Southern strategy as is, while some bigotry may show up here and there at more local levels, the party hasn't been doing anything on the national level to court racists for decades. They haven't had to even if they are gung ho about having them. Courting social conservatives has kept them around as there is not inconsiderable overlap between the two. But nothing about the party platform now has to do with racism. The only widespread mainstream position amongst their leadership that can be seen as devaluing humans without some serious stretching is the opposition to gay marriage. But they should recognize that if they drop the opposition to gay marriage and other less-bigoted socially conservative positions that are hurting them with other demographics it isn't like the social conservatives are going to throw their hands up and vote Democrat. They will keep most of their Southern vote even as they move away from social conservatism because they will still be the lesser of two evils to social conservatives and that will enable them to pick up at least some votes elsewhere. For example, they don't need to suddenly demand an Amendment allowing gay marriage, they just need to stop opposing it. As far as race goes, there is nothing racist about their platform, but they have way too many people more than happy to say racist things which allows the Democrats to paint them as the party of racism. They just need to re-embrace the parts of their platform about economic liberalism and fiscal responsibility and shut it about the socially conservative nonsense that will keep being a bigger and bigger loser in national elections. That they have a tremendous crop of young governors poised to take over as the faces of the party, many of which are not white males, puts them in a position to make the needed changes quickly and seamlessly if they play their cards right. The old guard could not do that because they have long track records to live up to, the new class of Republicans can because how they are perceived on the national level is still largely up to them.
 
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Can't call them late-comers, since we're four years from election day, but let's welcome a couple of sprite newcomers from Texas and one old hand from Louisiana.

US Senator-elect Rafael Edward "Ted" Cruz from TX
Mayor Julian Castro of San Antonio
Governor Piyush "Bobby" Jindal of LA

The interesting thing about T. Cruz, and why my attention was drawn to his rising star, is that he was born in Canada, but is nonetheless eligible to be president. Bring on the Birthers!

GOP
P. Ryan
C. Christie
M. Rubio
J. Bush
M. Bachmann
M. Romney
S. Palin (fading fast, get her while she lasts)
M. Huckabee
T. Pawlenty
J. Thune
S. Walker
D. Trump, President of Never Gonna Run for President
R. Paul (le fils)
J. DeMint
N. Haley
S. Martinez
R. Santorum
M. Pence
C. Rice
R. "T." Cruz
P. "B." Jindal


Dem
H. Clinton
J. Biden
M. Warner
M. O’Malley
A. Klobuchar
C. Booker
A. Villaraigosa
B. Schweitzer
K. Gillibrand
A. Cuomo
R. Emmanuel
M. Cantwell
E. Warren
Ju. Castro*

Indeterminate
M. Bloomberg, mayor of New York, NY

* Style of first name initial for Mayor Castro is to distinguish him from his twin brother Joaquín Castro, Congressperson-elect from TX.
 
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Republican - John Kasich (Ohio Gov), Tom Corbett (PA Gov), Carly Fiorina (CEO and political wannabe), Newt Gingrich (who isn't shutting up)
Dem - Jesse Jackson Jr. (Illinois Congress), Al Franken, Robin Carnahan (Missouri Politico)
 
Republican - John Kasich (Ohio Gov), Tom Corbett (PA Gov), Carly Fiorina (CEO and political wannabe), Newt Gingrich (who isn't shutting up)
Dem - Jesse Jackson Jr. (Illinois Congress), Al Franken, Robin Carnahan (Missouri Politico)

None of these people have become mentionables yet, within my purview, but for the possible exception of N. Gingrich. J. Jackson Jr. seems to have very severe bi-polar disease or something similar, so I don't think he's running for anything. C. Fiorina's only previous stint in electoral politics was a big fat loss, so uh uh. A. Franken has been very particular about keeping politics local, never having granted a national interview (since becoming Senator), so I don't think he has any such ambitions. J. Kasich is having a rough ride as governor. Let's see if he can get reelected. T. Corbett may be a possibility -- but need qualified citation from the mentionsphere.
 
If I were to rank them based on my gut right now, I'd say:

(Reps)
1. Ryan
2. Rubio
3. Christie
4. Jindal

(Dems)
1. Clinton
2. Cuomo

Booker seems promising, but he's only a mayor. Seems like he should run for Governor first.
 
OK, folks! Let's get this ball rolling.

I'll go ahead and seed the field with some mentionables of note. Your thoughts?

GOP
P. Ryan, representative from WI
C. Christie, governor of NJ
M. Rubio, senator from FL
J. Bush, former governor of FL
M. Bachmann, representative from MN
M. Romney, former governor of MA
S. Palin, former half-term governor of AK
M. Huckabee, former governor of AR
T. Pawlenty, former governor of MN
J. Thune, senator from SD
S. Walker, governor of WI
D. Trump, President of Never Gonna Run for President
R. Paul (le fils), senator from KY
J. DeMint, senator from SC
N. Haley, governor of SC

Ryan, been there and done that, I'll pass
C. Christie, governor of NJ, remember him creeping me out, pass
Rubio, need more information
Jebb Bush, oh hell no.......
Bachmann, more info....
Romney: Magic undies diatribe repetition...
Palin: see Jeb....
Huckabee: Probably the best of the bunch, not saying much
Palenty, Thune, walker, more info
Trump: idiot and I aint looking at that hair for four years
last three, more info....
 
Ryan is dead meat outside the boundaries of Teatardia. The reason the ticket lost is that they did not attract enough independents. Most independents are moderates. Otherwise they would have joined the full-tilt bubble-blowers.

Huntsman, Haley and Christy are the only ones they have who do not draw scorn and derision from ratonal people for their policies, or strike outsiders to the GOP as too icky for some reason.

Scratch Huckabee. Law enforcement people hate the dirtbag after he let a killer loose to come up to Washington and off three police officers.

Little Paul is too nutso for the national scence.

For the Dems, Schweitzer or Cuomo, with Cantwell riding shotgun would work. Schweitzer has the chops on foreign policy, Cuomo is strong on domestic policies. Cantwell, having been well-tutored by Patty Murray and Norm Dicks, would bring some credibility on defense issues.


How about Collen Powell as an independent?
 
How about Collen Powell as an independent?
Powell is old and tired, he has some stench of Bush the Lesser on his clothes,and his wife is not in especially good health. He would not be able to campaign vigorously enough to make a dent in republicon numbers and would, at bestm siphon off libertarian-leaning undecideds..
 
Powell is old and tired, he has some stench of Bush the Lesser on his clothes,and his wife is not in especially good health. He would not be able to campaign vigorously enough to make a dent in republicon numbers and would, at bestm siphon off libertarian-leaning undecideds..

Additionally, I don't think I've ever seen any evidence that he even wants it.
 
For some values of "love". She lost to Boxer by about 10 points. She sure as hell can't claim business acumen after running HP into the toilet. I think she's a political "once was".
 
How about Collen Powell as an independent?

Independent or not Colin Powell lied to the UN to sell Bush's war. He contributed to the start of an unnecessary war that resulted in much loss of life and treasure. He will never be a viable candidate because of that fact (which I think he recognizes).
 
Sorry, you can't have him. You gots your constitution; that hairy mop has to be attached to a pumpkin-shaped head that was born in America. Like this:

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Not sure if this has been pointed out yet but Boris was born in America.

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson (born 19 June 1964) is an American-born British Conservative Party politician, who was first elected Mayor of London in 2008.

Although having a middle name like "de Pfeffel" could lose him a couple of votes.
 
Not sure if this has been pointed out yet but Boris was born in America.



Although having a middle name like "de Pfeffel" could lose him a couple of votes.

Hey, if you guys can elect someone with the middle name Hussein you can elect anyone!
 
Hey, if you guys can elect someone with the middle name Hussein you can elect anyone!

Which guys? We're the guys who elected a man who uses middle name "Boris" as his first and has "de Pfeffel" as his middle name, and presumably thinks he sounds far more sensible dropping the "Alexander".
 
Which guys? We're the guys who elected a man who uses middle name "Boris" as his first and has "de Pfeffel" as his middle name, and presumably thinks he sounds far more sensible dropping the "Alexander".

Forgive me, I had you down as a yank! :p
 
That Haley woman scares me. Another tea party anti-choice nutcase. Blargh.

LOL, doubling down on the racism is not a compelling way to prove that you aren't the hateful bigot that you clearly are.
Yeah he's a hateful bigot against his own race... :rolleyes:

But don't you see, that still smacks of racist overtones. If somebody said, "I didn't call all blacks "n-words", I only called that ONE black an "n-word". Sorry, but I'd still call him a racist. You can't use language like that without the strong possibility that people are going to interpret it as racist. That's why, even while agree with your sentiments, L.Y.S, I think you should watch how you phrase things. It will affect how you are perceived.
Well, actually... Black people routinely refer to other black people as n-----s. And obviously they don't mean it in any racist or hateful way.
 

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