Julian Assange: rapist or not?

[uke2se]

You mean that the policeman was in the room when Assange materially “raped” the woman?
Or maybe the police as well gathered their "evidence" from somewhere else?

You asked where the police files came from. I gave you the correct answer. If you don't like being given the correct answer, tough titties.

 

[John Mekki]

You asked where the police files came from. I gave you the correct answer. If you don't like being given the correct answer, tough titties.

So you do not want to tell me where police took their “evidence” from?
It was in the "police files”, do not ask me for more!
The fact that it is in the “police files” makes it “evidence” automatically.
The police files are like the Bible, there is never a lie there, do not even think about it!!

Evasion noted.

 

[uke2se]

So you do not want to tell me where police took their “evidence” from?

You didn't ask.

It was in the "police files”, do not ask me for more!

You didn't.

The fact that it is in the “police files” makes it “evidence” automatically.

Why are you lying about what I said? Kinda casts a bad light at any argument you might want to make, doesn't it?

The police files are like the Bible, there is never a lie there, do not even think about it!!

Present your evidence for there being a lie in the police files or retract this statement.

I will keep asking you for this until you cry and give up or until you actually do it.

ETA: In the spirit of honesty and open discussion, I should inform you that I am asking you to go on a wild goose chase, as even if you against all odds do have evidence of a lie in the police files, the only place that would be relevant is in a trial, which Assange is doing his utmost to prevent from happening.

Evasion noted.

Indeed.

 

[John Mekki]

You didn't ask.
[..]

And where is the evidence of maliciousness for Assange?

I asked you for evidence for the maliciousness for Assange and you wrote me that it is in the police files.
For you, the fact alone that something is in the police files makes it "solid-hard-rock” evidence, for me it does not.
We have two different opinions on what constitutes "evidence".

 

[uke2se]

I asked you for evidence for the maliciousness for Assange and you wrote me that it is in the police files.

Yes, I answered your question with the correct answer.

For you, the fact alone that something is in the police files makes it "solid-hard-rock” evidence, for me it does not.

Stop lying about what I said. It doesn't help your argument.

We have two different opinions on what constitutes "evidence".

Yes. I have the correct opinion, backed up by the definition of the word "evidence". You apparently don't.

Now, please present your evidence for there being a lie in the police files. Do so, or retract your previous statement.

 

[John Mekki]

I have asked for “evidence” for Assange` s “rapes”.
You replied that the “evidence” is in the police files.
I have asked why you think that “evidence” is in the police files.
What is this “evidence” that you say is in the police files?
You did not answer.

 

[uke2se]

I have asked for “evidence” for Assange` s “rapes”.
You replied that the “evidence” is in the police files.

Correct.

I have asked why you think that “evidence” is in the police files.
You did not answer.

Incorrect, you haven't asked me this. You may think you have, but unless you can quote yourself asking this, you haven't.

As it stands, I will answer your extremely naive question out of the kindness of my heart:

I believe know that the evidence against Assange is in the police files, because that's how the justice system operates. I am a bit perplexed that you are unaware of this, but then again, given your appalling performance in this thread, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

Now, please present your evidence for there being a lie in the police files. Do so, or retract your previous statement.

 

[John Mekki]

Could you please elaborate more on this?
What do you mean that you “know that the evidence against Assange is in the police files”?
Did you see it by yourself?
And what do you mean by “that's how the justice system operates”?

 

[BenBurch]

You mean that the policeman was in the room when Assange materially “raped” the woman?
Or maybe the police as well gathered their "evidence" from somewhere else?

I guess we should close down the courts, because we couldn't convict somebody caught eating his latest victim with your insane interpretation of how police should work.

 

[John Mekki]

I guess we should close down the courts, because we couldn't convict somebody caught eating his latest victim with your insane interpretation of how police should work.

Strawman
This is not what I said nor implied

 

[uke2se]

Could you please elaborate more on this?
What do you mean that you “know that the evidence against Assange is in the police files”?

I mean that I know the evidence gathered against Assange is in the police files because that's how the justice system operates. It's pretty easy to understand that.

Did you see it by yourself?

As I am not a part of the justice system in any official capacity, I don't have access to police files. That means "no" in case you are having difficulty parsing the sentence.

And what do you mean by “that's how the justice system operates”?

I mean that that is how the justice system operates. Also a fairly easy sentence to understand.

If you keep having difficulty with basic English, might I suggest getting an adult to translate for you?

 

[John Mekki]

I mean that I know the evidence gathered against Assange is in the police files because that's how the justice system operates. It's pretty easy to understand that.

It is indeed.

And, if I can ask, does the “justice system” operates in this way only in the UK and Sweden, or also in Italy, Iran, China, India, Russia, Vietnam, etc.?

ADDED
Has it ever happened in the world that Courts that people lie to police for various reasons or that police gets bribed to put ahead false accusations or that governments influence Courts in one way or another for political or other reasons or that Courts interpret laws not only in light of Justice but also for more mundane interests or that sentences become more or less heavy depending on the accused social status..

Or maybe such “bad” behaviour you can only find in foreign countries, but not in the UK/Sweden where the justice system is completely perfect?

 

[BenBurch]

Strawman
This is not what I said nor implied

Yeah, actually, you did imply it. More-or-less said it. But of course your goalposts move at the speed of light.

 

[uke2se]

It is indeed.

And, if I can ask, does the “justice system” operates in this way only in the UK and Sweden, or also in Italy, Iran, China, India, Russia, Vietnam, etc.?

I am not familiar enough with the justice systems of Italy, Iran, China, India, Russia or Vietnam to be able to answer that question with any accuracy, but I think it is safe to say that the justice systems of Italy, Iran, China, India, Russia, Vietnam, USA, Germany, Belgium, France, Afghanistan, South Africa, Canada etc. etc. etc. all allow the police to gather evidence.

Is it too much to ask for you to answer to the entirety of my posts? I feel like I'm putting far too much effort into it, and that it would be sufficient to answer only select parts of your posts as well.

Now, please present your evidence for there being a lie in the police files. Do so, or retract your previous statement.

 

[John Mekki]

I am not familiar enough with the justice systems of Italy, Iran, China, India, Russia or Vietnam to be able to answer that question with any accuracy, but I think it is safe to say that the justice systems of Italy, Iran, China, India, Russia, Vietnam, USA, Germany, Belgium, France, Afghanistan, South Africa, Canada etc. etc. etc. all allow the police to gather evidence.

Sure.
And the police never gets lied to by false witnesses, the police never makes up false accusations due to political pressure, Courts never go one way or the other due to political influence, etc. etc. ??
People working in the justice system are all perfect, never lie, never steal and the all work for the Supreme Good

Because if we assume for a second that the witnesses may lie sometimes, and the police may lie as well, then what evidence you have in the police files?

Now, please present your evidence for there being a lie in the police files. Do so, or retract your previous statement.

It is the other way around.
I never claimed that I have evidence that there is a lie in the police files.
I have asked you where is your evidence
You claimed evidence is in the police files, but I have still to understand which evidence we are talking about
Please go back to my original question

 

[uke2se]

ADDED
Has it ever happened in the world that Courts that people lie to police for various reasons or that police gets bribed to put ahead false accusations or that governments influence Courts in one way or another for political or other reasons or that Courts interpret laws not only in light of Justice but also for more mundane interests or that sentences become more or less heavy depending on the accused social status..

Yes, it has happened in the world. Now all you have to do is prove that it is happening in this case. That is, unless you are arguing that we should stop this whole "justice system" business all together.

Or maybe such “bad” behaviour you can only find in foreign countries, but not in the UK/Sweden where the justice system is completely perfect?

I don't think the justice system in either the UK or Sweden is perfect. I do think that one needs evidence for wrongdoing before assuming wrongdoing, however. You apparently disagree.

I probably should point out to you that your interpretation of "evidence", your style of arguing and your extremely loose usage of logic would probably serve you better in a forum where participants are bat **** insane, like for example the David Icke forums.

 

[John Mekki]

Yeah, actually, you did imply it.

I see. I “implied” it. Sure.

 

[uke2se]

Sure.
And the police never gets lied to by false witnesses, the police never makes up false accusations due to political pressure, Courts never go one way or the other due to political influence, etc. etc. ??
People working in the justice system are all perfect, never lie, never steal and the all work for the Supreme Good

I don't know who you are arguing with. It apparently isn't me, as I've never made any of the statements you mock here.

Because if we assume for a second that the witnesses may lie sometimes, and the police may lie as well, then what evidence you have in the police files?

The same evidence as before. You see, assumption isn't a recognized form of evidence in a court of law.

It is the other way around.
I never claimed that I have evidence that there is a lie in the police files.

No, you dishonestly insinuated it instead. It was amusingly transparent.

I have asked you where is your evidence

And I have replied correctly.

You claimed evidence is in the police files, but I have still to understand which evidence we are talking about

Why do you have to understand that? Are you Assange's lawyer?

Please go back to my original question

Nope. Asked and answered.

 

[uke2se]

I see. I “implied” it. Sure.

Yes, you did. Honest discussion is apparently new to you, but it isn't to the rest of us, and we are not really impressed by your performance so far.

Now, please present your evidence for there being a lie in the police files. Do so, or retract your previous statement.

 

[John Mekki]

Yes, it has happened in the world. Now all you have to do is prove that it is happening in this case.

It is you not me who is stating that “evidence” for Assange` s “rapes” is in the police files.
When I have asked you why you think that is there you did not reply.
Since you now say that sometimes the justice system does not work perfectly, how can you say that “evidence” is in the police files and maybe instead we do not have false accusations?
It is you who is 100% sure that what is in the police files is “evidence”, not me.

That is, unless you are arguing that we should stop this whole "justice system" business all together.

I have never implied this

I don't think the justice system in either the UK or Sweden is perfect. I do think that one needs evidence for wrongdoing before assuming wrongdoing, however. You apparently disagree.

I agree.

I probably should point out to you that your interpretation of "evidence", your style of arguing and your extremely loose usage of logic would probably serve you better in a forum where participants are bat **** insane, like for example the David Icke forums.

If I do not reply on this insult you will not accuse me of not getting back to all your points, right?