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Merged The election was stolen/rigged!

There are 1687 voting divisions in Philadelphia. Romney got no votes in 3.5% of the divisions in a city that went 85% for Obama. I'm surprised there weren't more.

Philadelphia - Obama 559,180 vs Romney 91,953.

Romney lost the state by 292,047

The 19,605 to 0 votes don't affect the outcome one bit.
 
There are 1687 voting divisions in Philadelphia. Romney got no votes in 3.5% of the divisions in a city that went 85% for Obama. I'm surprised there weren't more.

And the precincts that voted garnered 0 votes for Romney were in, surprise, poor black and hispanic neighborhoods. Take a city that is already leans heavily democratic, then separate out blocks of poor minorities who also heavily favor Obama. Yes, you're going to get many places where nobody votes for Romney. Heck, my mostly lower-middle class white neighborhood in Philadelphia voted 85+% for Obama. IIRC, 50 precincts cast 0 votes for McCain in 2008.
 
And the precincts that voted garnered 0 votes for Romney were in, surprise, poor black and hispanic neighborhoods.

And they didn't vote for the rich white guy. Amazing!

Even more amazing: despite the prevalance of these stories in the media over the past 48 hours, not one person from any of these precincts has come forward to say, "Yeah, I voted for Romney and my vote didn't get counted."

This is the difference between one side's accusation of voter fraud and the other's. In Robert's case he infers fraud from the fact that the reported results didn't go the way his intuition says. We'll talk more about the fallacy of decomposition later. However, in the reciprocal case the evidence is stuff like poll workers actually being caught changing ballots and voting machines actually being demonstrated to flip or miscast votes. The difference between evidence and inference is important.
 
This is a perfect example of our biannual voter fraud hysteria in action. People on both sides really do believe the other side can only win by stealing, so they blow out of proportion every single seeming voting anomaly. But it just doesn't make any intuitive sense - if Romney was going to steal the election (he wont - Obama wins), why would you leave tantalizing clues about your nefarious plot by SHOWING PEOPLE that the machine selects the other candidate after selecting Obama? As with most CTs, the opposition is both amazingly powerful and concurrently so eager to leave behind clues to their devious plots that everyone finds out about it.

Thats not to say voter fraud/coordinated suppression doesn't happen. It does, and its real. But 95% of it is hysterical public over-reaction to non-events. And of the 5% that is real, the vast majority of it is not any plot but simply mass incompetence by poll workers.


And just how do you know that?
 
More Evidence:

POLL WATCHER SEES ROMNEY BALLOTS CHANGED

"Witness to voting says he monitored as software redirected choices

Up to 10 percent of the ballots cast at a polling station in Pennsylvania reverted to a default, which gave Barack Obama a vote no matter who the voter had selected, according to a poll watcher who was a witness to the proceedings.

The incident took place in the state where officials claimed Obama got a total of 19,605 votes in 59 voting divisions to zero for Mitt Romney and not far from the 100 precincts in Ohio where Obama got 99 percent of the vote, a feat not even achieved by third-world dictators, according to Market Daily News.

It was in Upper Macungie Township, near Allentown, Pa., where an auditor, Robert Ashcroft, was dispatched by Republicans to monitor the vote on Election Day. He said the software he observed would “change the selection back to default – to Obama.”

He said that happened in about 5 percent to 10 percent of the votes.
He said the changes appeared to have been made by a software program.
Ashcroft said the format for computer programming has a default status, and in this case it appeared to be designating a vote for Obama each time it went to default."

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/poll-watcher-sees-romney-ballots-changed/?cat_orig=politics
 
More Evidence...

What do you mean, more?? You have yet to provide ANY evidence for your delusions.


Obama will be president until his term expires in 2016, and there is nothing you can do that will change that. :D
 
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Robert has yet to collide with reality and colludes with fantasy each and every tme.
 
More Evidence:

POLL WATCHER SEES ROMNEY BALLOTS CHANGED

"Witness to voting says he monitored as software redirected choices

Up to 10 percent of the ballots cast at a polling station in Pennsylvania reverted to a default, which gave Barack Obama a vote no matter who the voter had selected, according to a poll watcher who was a witness to the proceedings.

The incident took place in the state where officials claimed Obama got a total of 19,605 votes in 59 voting divisions to zero for Mitt Romney and not far from the 100 precincts in Ohio where Obama got 99 percent of the vote, a feat not even achieved by third-world dictators, according to Market Daily News.

It was in Upper Macungie Township, near Allentown, Pa., where an auditor, Robert Ashcroft, was dispatched by Republicans to monitor the vote on Election Day. He said the software he observed would “change the selection back to default – to Obama.”

He said that happened in about 5 percent to 10 percent of the votes.
He said the changes appeared to have been made by a software program.
Ashcroft said the format for computer programming has a default status, and in this case it appeared to be designating a vote for Obama each time it went to default."

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/poll-watcher-sees-romney-ballots-changed/?cat_orig=politics

Not only did he wait til now to report this...

Not only did he fail to record this like the voter who had his/her vote changed from Obama to Romney did...

Not only did he not secure any evidence of this...

But he's the only one who noticed this...

Ha!

ETA: Oh, & is there a reason there aren't droves of voters from these areas coming forward to proclaim that they voted for Romney? Other than they don't exist I mean.
 
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World Nut Daily is not evidence.

Robert gets all his arguments these days from the supermarket tabloids! The single source relied upon by the article claims to have reported his findings to GOP officials (though, strangely, not to any FEC or other board with statutory or executive authority to oversee elections). Yet GOP officials will not confirm that, nor that they "dispatched" this auditor as claimed.

Let's see what this named but unverifiable "auditor" does.

He said the changes appeared to have been made by a software program.

So by allegedly observing these machines from afar, hovering over voters' shoulders, this unqualified partisan is able to determine not only that the machines are malfunctioning, but also to determine the cause. Sorry, but even in tabloid reporting your sources have to be somewhat credible. I imagine our auditor holding his left fingertips to the side of his head, closing his eyes, and reaching out his right hand to the recalcitrant machine and muttering under his breath, "Soft ... ware ... It's a Demo ... cratic virus! Must ... alert ... media!"

Ashcroft said the format for computer programming has a default status...

No. "Format for computer programming" is a techno-babble word salad. It will fool the drooling anti-Obama tabloid reader, but has no actual technical meaning. The "programming" exists as executable or interpretable code within the computer. Although the human-readable source code may be formatted in a way that makes it easier for a human to read, this is irrelevant to how the code is executed inside the computer. There is no "format" for code as it is actually executed. This witness clearly has no expertise in computers or embedded systems such as voting machines.

...and in this case it appeared to be designating a vote for Obama each time it went to default.

This is an old conspiracy claim. Contrary to wild supposition, there is no "default" selection for a candidate, except in some cases where a straight-ticket vote has previously been entered. The desired programming is that the ballot is initially populated to "no vote" on each votable item. A partisan straight ticket vote populates any vote for personal office with the candidate matching the party, if any, leaving any non-partisan issues or offices for which no party candidate is running, as presently constituted (typically blank). The voter may then change any votes on individual votable items -- the "straight-ticket" pre-population does not "lock in" that vote. That is still not a "default," but merely a vote cast previously.

A phenomenon that has sporadically occurred in voting machines with touch-screen interfaces is a miscalibration of the touch screen. This particular malfunction causes touches on the screen in one place to be registered to the underlying software as touches in a different place. The software simply receives the X-Y coordinates of the reported touch and must determine whether the touch lies within the boundaries of any of the buttons or menu items it has displayed. When buttons are displayed close together, this problem is exacerbated. It was reported in early voting a number of times, with no apprent correlation to how the misregistered touches favored a candidate. Since the vote for President is the first that appears on many ballots, that is when the problem will be discovered.

It is not surprising that conspiracy theorists are attempting to attribute this reasonable malfunction to some partisan conspiracy.

He found it suspicious that Romney and Obama were in a virtual tie in most polls, but Obama then suddenly surged ahead by a number of points on election night.

Why is this something an "auditor" worries about at the poll? He either observes evidence of fraud or he doesn't. But here this "auditor" seems to be basing his report just as much on inference as all the other nonsensical conspiracy theories.

“How the heck does that happen?” he wondered.

What kind of "auditor" blatantly biases his report in this way and expects to be taken seriously?

Oh, that's right -- an overtly partisan reported giving an exclusive report to an overtly partisan tabloid would do this. Despite the neck-and-neck poll results, GOP pundits had no problem predicting a landslide popular victory for Mitt Romney. In other words, they had no problem disregarding polls when they argued that the polls would be inaccurate in their favor. Only when the polls turned out to be inaccurate against them did they say we had to infer voter fraud from results that failed to be as predicted.

Unconfirmed, unverifiable reports alleged from one source in one location reported by a tabloid that has become almost obsessed with just about any claim against Barack Obama. Some guy with no verifiable identity or credentials says he saw votes being flipped, did nothing but run to an anti-Obama tabloid. As I've previously shown, WND does not do a very good job of vetting their sources. I wonder why. Wait, no I don't.

And still, despite all the stomping and whining about zero votes for Romney, the conspiracy theorists haven't been able to produce one single actual voter who can verifiably claim to have voted for Romney in that precinct.
 
What do you mean, more?? You have yet to provide ANY evidence for your delusions.


Obama will be president until his term expires in 2016, and there is nothing you can do that will change that. :D

Well, short of following in the foot steps of "hero" Lee Harvey Oswald...
 
Let's assume you're right and PA should have gone Romney.

That makes the EC vote 312-226. So...what's the fire?
 
Robert gets all his arguments these days from the supermarket tabloids! The single source relied upon by the article claims to have reported his findings to GOP officials (though, strangely, not to any FEC or other board with statutory or executive authority to oversee elections). Yet GOP officials will not confirm that, nor that they "dispatched" this auditor as claimed.

Let's see what this named but unverifiable "auditor" does.



So by allegedly observing these machines from afar, hovering over voters' shoulders, this unqualified partisan is able to determine not only that the machines are malfunctioning, but also to determine the cause. Sorry, but even in tabloid reporting your sources have to be somewhat credible. I imagine our auditor holding his left fingertips to the side of his head, closing his eyes, and reaching out his right hand to the recalcitrant machine and muttering under his breath, "Soft ... ware ... It's a Demo ... cratic virus! Must ... alert ... media!"



No. "Format for computer programming" is a techno-babble word salad. It will fool the drooling anti-Obama tabloid reader, but has no actual technical meaning. The "programming" exists as executable or interpretable code within the computer. Although the human-readable source code may be formatted in a way that makes it easier for a human to read, this is irrelevant to how the code is executed inside the computer. There is no "format" for code as it is actually executed. This witness clearly has no expertise in computers or embedded systems such as voting machines.



This is an old conspiracy claim. Contrary to wild supposition, there is no "default" selection for a candidate, except in some cases where a straight-ticket vote has previously been entered. The desired programming is that the ballot is initially populated to "no vote" on each votable item. A partisan straight ticket vote populates any vote for personal office with the candidate matching the party, if any, leaving any non-partisan issues or offices for which no party candidate is running, as presently constituted (typically blank). The voter may then change any votes on individual votable items -- the "straight-ticket" pre-population does not "lock in" that vote. That is still not a "default," but merely a vote cast previously.

A phenomenon that has sporadically occurred in voting machines with touch-screen interfaces is a miscalibration of the touch screen. This particular malfunction causes touches on the screen in one place to be registered to the underlying software as touches in a different place. The software simply receives the X-Y coordinates of the reported touch and must determine whether the touch lies within the boundaries of any of the buttons or menu items it has displayed. When buttons are displayed close together, this problem is exacerbated. It was reported in early voting a number of times, with no apprent correlation to how the misregistered touches favored a candidate. Since the vote for President is the first that appears on many ballots, that is when the problem will be discovered.

It is not surprising that conspiracy theorists are attempting to attribute this reasonable malfunction to some partisan conspiracy.



Why is this something an "auditor" worries about at the poll? He either observes evidence of fraud or he doesn't. But here this "auditor" seems to be basing his report just as much on inference as all the other nonsensical conspiracy theories.



What kind of "auditor" blatantly biases his report in this way and expects to be taken seriously?

Oh, that's right -- an overtly partisan reported giving an exclusive report to an overtly partisan tabloid would do this. Despite the neck-and-neck poll results, GOP pundits had no problem predicting a landslide popular victory for Mitt Romney. In other words, they had no problem disregarding polls when they argued that the polls would be inaccurate in their favor. Only when the polls turned out to be inaccurate against them did they say we had to infer voter fraud from results that failed to be as predicted.

Unconfirmed, unverifiable reports alleged from one source in one location reported by a tabloid that has become almost obsessed with just about any claim against Barack Obama. Some guy with no verifiable identity or credentials says he saw votes being flipped, did nothing but run to an anti-Obama tabloid. As I've previously shown, WND does not do a very good job of vetting their sources. I wonder why. Wait, no I don't.

And still, despite all the stomping and whining about zero votes for Romney, the conspiracy theorists haven't been able to produce one single actual voter who can verifiably claim to have voted for Romney in that precinct.

We have the virtual testimony of non-existent "voters" -- who are counted as having voted for Obama.
 
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Jay Utah wrote:

"Robert gets all his arguments these days from the supermarket tabloids!"

Nonsense. This stuff is all over even the mainstream press. Get a clue.
 
So...what's the fire?

None, just lots of smoke.

In conspiracy-theory thinking, one allegedly rigged precinct means they must all have been rigged. Hence not only would Pennsylvania have gone to Romney, but also other states and their electoral votes.

However no one is seriously contesting the precincts where voting was not unanimous. My state, Utah, was understandably the most ardent supporter of Romney, with urban counties splitting the vote relatively evenly (or slightly in favor of Romney) and most other counties turning in 85 to 90 percent in favor of Romney. These highly lopsided results are still considered credible because Utah is a Republican stronghold state. In fact I believe in this election we earned the distinction of being the reddest state on the map.

That leads to the question of wanting to credibly steal an election. Knowing that each precinct, county, and state must report its results publicly, why would a hypothetical vote-rigger make an entire precinct unanimous and thus be sure to attract the attention of people whose intuition would tell them the vote should be at least somewhat divided? A credible plan to rig an election (or do anything illegal) generally comes accompanied by a plan to conceal one's actions and not get caught. Criminals who know what they're doing know how not to be noticed or seen. But as usual, the hypothetical perpetrators in conspiracy theories are bumbling and inept. "Hey, we need to make sure it looks like someone in Philadelphia voted for Romney, otherwise it will look suspicious." "No, let's make it unanimous. We need to be sure."

And keep in mind for those precincts there's still no boots-on-the-ground evidence. It's all a conclusion inferred from the precinct reports. As was reported in the cited article, only a few voters were registered Republicans in these precincts, and at least one of them didn't realize he was. Given the demographics of the region, that's not surprising. The whole reason we employ statistical probability over intuition is that life often surprises us.

The Law of Averages leads to many misconceptions in electoral politics. The one I'm thinking of is a fallacy of decomposition, or the fallacy that says that the behavior of the whole should be individually reflected in the behavior of the constituent parts. That we went into the national elections with opinion polls reading 49%-49% or some such deadlock doesn't mean those proportions hold at each polling granularity. As mentioned, in many Utah counties 4 out of 5 or 9 out of 10 voters voted for Romney. That's offset (and more) by liberal counties where similar turnouts occurred in Obama's favor.

But unanimous? Yes, that happens. It happens very infrequently, which is why the unanimous precincts comprise only a tiny outlying part of the distribution. If you graph the party swing by precinct, it will follow a normal distribution. That means precincts with pronounced swings occur with little frequency (if at all) and occupy the narrow tails of the distribution -- in this case well outside two standard deviations. The Law of Averages fools us into believing that improbable events never occur. They do -- just improbably.

Let's go back to back to the computer programming. Let's say you planned to rig the election, and you planned to do it, as our "auditor" alleges, by changing the programming in the voting machine. If you have access to the programming, why would you do something so monumentally stupid and reveal the changed vote to the voter in the user interface!?

Again, our hypothetical vote-riggers are bumbling and inept. They might as well right large bells and flash big red lights and say, "We're changing your vote!"

If you control the programming, you control the user experience. One part of the computer program presents the graphical interface, driven by data stored in its memory about candidates and issues. Another part of the program writes the votes to the Smart Card, the network, or data transmission medium. The central data structure is a table of voter issues and offices, associated with digital "check marks" representing the voter's choice in each, or that the voter has made no choice.

During the voting session, the UI portion of the program manipulates this data structure. When "Cast Vote" is finally selected, the other portion of the program takes over, reading the data structure as previously composed by the UI and rendering it in a form acceptable to the transfer medium. Error- and tamper-check data blocks are added. The place to change the voter's vote is there. The only thing that matters in terms of the vote tally is what goes on that Smart Card. If you're going to change a vote, change it as it's being prepared for storage. There's no inherent condition that requires any sort of thing to be displayed on the screen while a voter's votes are being tallied, recorded, and (allegedly) tampered with.

The silly presumption that software-doctored votes must be visible to the voter as he looks at the ballot is evidence of just how ineptly and inexpertly considered these vote-rigging conspiracy theories are formulated. The alleged actors must always operate in the stupidest and most detectable ways possible, with no thought toward concealment or best-practices. As such they are not credible.
 
Nonsense. This stuff is all over even the mainstream press. Get a clue.

Then it won't be too difficult for you to cite an interview with your alleged auditor that isn't just a reprint of the WND.

Yes, the mainstream press reports the unanimous precincts. They just don't irresponsibly attribute it to fraud as your tabloids have done.
 
"Witness to voting says he monitored as software redirected choices

Up to 10 percent of the ballots cast at a polling station in Pennsylvania reverted to a default, which gave Barack Obama a vote no matter who the voter had selected, according to a poll watcher who was a witness to the proceedings.

Non-American here. Just curious to know, was Pennsylvania actually a swing state, and if not what would be the point of fiddling the vote considering that Obama was probably going to win it anyway?
 

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