The Julia Gillard is a useless PM thread

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OK, let's discuss this.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...detention-centre/story-fn9hm1gu-1226505683189
Hang on.... what did Gillard say about paying African's less than Australian's?
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Whatever she said has SFA to do with Nauru, are you suggesting Australia should pay people in an economy the size of Nauru, which has stupidly high unemployment, where the only employment opportunities come from the government, the same rate as they pay in Sydney? Do you have any idea havoc that kind of inflation would wreak in an economy of that scale?

And, do you think the government pays local workers Australian rates everywhere else we have to, say in embassy's or other diplomatic posts, or do you think they ought to? What about Australian companies, should BHP be paying laborers in PNG the same rate as they currently pay workers in the Pilbarra? If not, why not? Please explain how your model for why labor rates in different economies should be the same.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Whatever she said has SFA to do with Nauru,

How come?

are you suggesting Australia should pay people in an economy the size of Nauru, which has stupidly high unemployment, where the only employment opportunities come from the government, the same rate as they pay in Sydney?

No.

And, do you think the government pays local workers Australian rates everywhere else we have to, say in embassy's or other diplomatic posts, or do you think they ought to?

No I don't, but it isn't about what I think (in fact I am certain you have expressed many times in word and deed that you don't care what I think), but what Gillard thinks: Just last month she blasted Gina Reinhardt when she made a comment about us competing with African's who work for two dollars a day (I paraphrase). Now she seems quite happy to pay local wage rates for her own undertakings.

In short - Gillard said it was "not the Australian way" before, but somehow now it is?

 

[bit_pattern]

How come?

Because Nauru is not in Australia and its economy, from the relative cost of living down, does not need massively inflated wages. Its a moronic notion and only the most economically illiterate and/or hopelessly partisan flake would try and put forward as an argument.

No.
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Precisely. So the rest of your argument is entirely baseless and can be dismissed out of hand.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Because Nauru is not in Australia and its economy, from the relative cost of living down, does not need massively inflated wages. Its a moronic notion and only the most economically illiterate and/or hopelessly partisan flake would try and put forward as an argument.

Maybe. But that's not my point I made, nor the question I was asking.
The reason why I raised this was because Gillard says it is unAustralian to pay low wages to African's but then thinks it perfectly acceptable to do it with Nauruans.

How come?

 

[bit_pattern]

Maybe. But that's not my point I made, nor the question I was asking.

I know it wasn't. Its the answer to the question. You cannot compare wages paid to Nauruans in Nauru with wages paid to hypothetical Africans in Australia. Only the most economically illiterate moron would continue to argue such a point any further.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

I know it wasn't. Its the answer to the question.

Er.. righto then ..

You cannot compare wages paid to Nauruans in Nauru with wages paid to hypothetical Africans in Australia.

Africans in Africa, not Australia.
Gillard thought this an appalling concept, yet is happy to pay Nauruans along similar lines.

Only the most economically illiterate moron would continue to argue such a point any further.

If in fact they were arguing that point you might be right.

So. Whenever you want to come back to the point I was actually making, I would be glad to discuss it.

 

[a_unique_person]

Africans in Africa, not Australia.
Gillard thought this an appalling concept, yet is happy to pay Nauruans along similar lines.

That's the way you want to frame it, but the actual issue raised by Reinhart was bringing in cheap overseas labour to Australia and paying them overseas rates here. It suits you to move the goal posts, but that's not where they were.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

That's the way you want to frame it, but the actual issue raised by Reinhart was bringing in cheap overseas labour to Australia and paying them overseas rates here. It suits you to move the goal posts, but that's not where they were.

That is untrue. In fact it was Gillard who tried to make that implication and was dishonest in the process.
Reinhardt was talking about competing with African nations and companies who pay their workforce $2 per day. She was discussing taxes, investment deterrents, risk implications etc in Australia and what that meant.

Instead of listening credulously to a known liar, one should look a little further for the truth.

 

[a_unique_person]

That is untrue. In fact it was Gillard who tried to make that implication and was dishonest in the process.
Reinhardt was talking about competing with African nations and companies who pay their workforce $2 per day. She was discussing taxes, investment deterrents, risk implications etc in Australia and what that meant.

Instead of listening credulously to a known liar, one should look a little further for the truth.

Reinhart has been talking for a while now about giving bringing in cheap labour from overseas on special visas and contracts that are below standard Australian rates. She says she wants to do this out of the goodness of her own heart because she wants to help them.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Reinhart has been talking for a while now about giving bringing in cheap labour from overseas on special visas and contracts that are below standard Australian rates. She says she wants to do this out of the goodness of her own heart because she wants to help them.

Are you saying that her $2- per day comment had nothing to do with competing with African nations?

The point here is that Gillard blasted Reinhard for saying one thing and does the same thing (or very similar) herself. Once again this makes her look sneaky, dishonest and with no understanding of what her values are.

 

[bit_pattern]

Reinhart has been talking for a while now about giving bringing in cheap labour from overseas on special visas and contracts that are below standard Australian rates. She says she wants to do this out of the goodness of her own heart because she wants to help them.

She's also the chief agitator for setting up a "special economic zone" in NW Australia that would be free of the government yoke, allowing her and her poor, long suffering billionaire kin to multiply their fantastic wealth free from hindrances like wage, environmental protections and/or workplace safety standards, a billionaires paradise with unimpeded freedom to exploit cheap labour.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

She's also the chief agitator for setting up a "special economic zone" in NW Australia that would be free of the government yoke, allowing her and her poor, long suffering billionaire kin to multiply their fantastic wealth free from hindrances like wage, environmental protections and/or workplace safety standards, a billionaires paradise with unimpeded freedom to exploit cheap labour.

Maybe, but that has little to do with the hypocrisy of Gillard which is what is under discussion. Nor does it show that Reinhard was not talking about African competition, rather than paying workers in Australia $2 per day (which is incorrect).

 

[a_unique_person]

Maybe, but that has little to do with the hypocrisy of Gillard which is what is under discussion. Nor does it show that Reinhard was not talking about African competition, rather than paying workers in Australia $2 per day (which is incorrect).

What hypocrisy?

 

[a_unique_person]

In this thread we discuss the many and varied errors of judgement and stuff ups by Julia Gillard.

Here's a few to get us started:
- Knifing Rudd
- Links to union corruption (Bruce Wilson, Ralph Blewitt)
- Forged documents (??)
- Misrepresentations to the Australian public, Andrew Wilkie
- The Craig Thompson debacle
- Border protection stuff ups and deaths at sea.
- Lies lies and damn lies
- East Timor solution
- The Peter Slipper affair and her disgraceful defense of him.
- Worst PM ever
- There will be plenty more no doubt

I look forward to your comments and will naturally be providing my own posts also.

A laundry list of adhoc claims with no basis in claiming she is a useless PM. An honest evaluation would give a weight to each issue you raise, and how they balance against here achievements. If she was useless, I would have thought the criteria was if she had done nothing useful. In fact, the government she has led had achieved much that is useful. If all you want to do is say how much you dislike her, which is all your chaotic list seems to do, well, so what.

 

[a_unique_person]

Are you saying that her $2- per day comment had nothing to do with competing with African nations?

The point here is that Gillard blasted Reinhard for saying one thing and does the same thing (or very similar) herself. Once again this makes her look sneaky, dishonest and with no understanding of what her values are.

She didn't set the wages for Nauru, it's just standard public service practice to pay the local going rate. Always has been. If you think it is unjust, please do raise it as an issue. It could be a valid one for governments of both persuasions to address.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

She didn't set the wages for Nauru, it's just standard public service practice to pay the local going rate. Always has been. If you think it is unjust, please do raise it as an issue.

And I would have raised it if that was the issue - which it isn't.
The issue I raised is that Gillard thinks it appalling that Africans work for $2- per day in African mines (and is not the Australian way) and yet happily pays others similar slave type wages in Nauru.

The issue is her hypocrisy, that she does not know what she stands for and she will say and do anything for political purposes. The real Julia is a myth and a fraud.

Clear now?

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Ooh goody! More debt.

http://afr.com/p/national/swan_to_rack_up_bn_in_deficits_says_GvAW2lzGgEw4cWVHbhr0FK

The Gillard government’s policies will create underlying budget deficits for the rest of the decade, deepening the government’s dependence on debt and making it harder to fund new education, disability and dental care programs, according to an independent budget forecaster. Modelling firm Macroeconomics will publish research today that estimates the federal budget will accumulate so-called structural deficits of $122 billion between 2013 and 2016.

The hand on heart, 'no ifs, no buts' fudget surplus looks to be in the toilet. Now this.

This PM is running up the biggest debts in Australia's history - in the middle of a boom. She likes the word "sustainable"; pity she doesn't understand what it means.

 

[dc1971]

And I would have raised it if that was the issue - which it isn't.
The issue I raised is that Gillard thinks it appalling that Africans work for $2- per day in African mines (and is not the Australian way) and yet happily pays others similar slave type wages in Nauru.

The issue is her hypocrisy, that she does not know what she stands for and she will say and do anything for political purposes. The real Julia is a myth and a fraud.

Clear now?

Not clear at all.

She doesn't set the wages is what was said to you!!! Is that "clear now"?

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Not clear at all.

Then perhaps you should try reading it a little more closely.

 

[dc1971]

Then perhaps you should try reading it a little more closely.

She doesn't set the wages...

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