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Vaccines Cause of Some SIDs?
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I doubt it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1511439/
"Immunisation does not increase the risk of SIDS and may even lower the risk."
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10443507
"The decrease in SIDS deaths after the change in immunisation schedules was greatest in the 4-6-month age range. While DPT immunisation might prevent some unexplained infant deaths due to asymptomatic whooping cough, these data indicate that immunisation with DPT also induces antibodies cross-reactive with pyrogenic staphylococcal toxins implicated in many cases of SIDS. Passive immunisation of infants who have low levels of these antibodies might reduce further the numbers of these infant deaths."
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Wow. Another "we don't know." How could the medical community possibly NOT know what caused the deaths of thousands of infants each year.
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Perhaps ascertaining the cause of death isn't always as simple as you'd like it to be. However, researchers have uncovered factors that are associated with SIDS. Immunisation isn't one of them.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2015026/
"...low birth-weight (6.53 [2.29, 18.9]), multiple birth (5.1 [1.76, 15.13]), no breastfeeding (1.77 [1.1, 2.85]), prone sleeping position (9.8 [5, 8, 18, 9]), soft mattress (3.26 [1.69, 6.29]), recent illness (3.44 [1.84, 6.41]) and parental smoking (1.74 [1.2, 2.96]) were confirmed as risk factors in early SIDS."
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You'll note that the research comes from New Zealand, France and the UK. It's not just the CDC. Researchers around the world are finding the same results.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Too bad. Your loss. Big Pharma's research is fine with you.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/sids_faq.html




Do you really believe those liars?

I sincerely hope you are not responsible for making a vaccine decision for a minor.

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Wow. Another "we don't know." How could the medical community possibly NOT know what caused the deaths of thousands of infants each year.




slight bacterial or viral infection

This is the scenario I mentioned in an earlier post. A baby or toddler becoming sick without discernible symptoms early during a new illness.
The baby gets vaccine shot(s) and the new illness is made more serious, possibly deadly by the vaccine(s).
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Another winning argument from incredulity.
 
pakeha said:
CM, are you seriously suggesting sudden crib death is caused by a 48 hour dip in resistance?
"These cases are invariably classified by attending physicians and coroners as “death from an infection” without taking into account the fact that vaccinations are known to lower resistance momentarily (for a day or two)."

But in any case, isn't this going off topic?
I don't really get the link of vaccines to autism.
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No.

It's 2012 and healthy babies suddenly die due to an infection.

Oh. A couple days after getting vaccines.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7116873#post7116873

The proof of the pudding that there are conspiracies at high levels of society is media's insistence that there are NONE.

Let's see. Big pharma and the mainstream media insist vaccines are absolutely safe but close to NONE of the vaccines are tested with a control group. They have convinced much of the American public that questioning the safety of vaccines is criminal.

Yet commercial after commercial airs up front and personal that if you've taken DRUG X, Y, or Z contact my law firm. Now you know those drugs, I think ZOLOFT is the star of the newer ripe for litigation drugs, were supposed to be tested with a control group! What happened.

And the media pretty much crucifies anyone who dares suggest a link between autism and vaccines. Why would the media trust and speak out for an industry/community with such a poor drug testing track record?
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jdc324 said:
I doubt it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1511439/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10443507

Perhaps ascertaining the cause of death isn't always as simple as you'd like it to be. However, researchers have uncovered factors that are associated with SIDS. Immunisation isn't one of them.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2015026/ You'll note that the research comes from New Zealand, France and the UK. It's not just the CDC. Researchers around the world are finding the same results.
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!986? I mean really, last century research?
 
Clayton Moore said:
With the mysterious inability of the medical community to connect a few dots to determine the cause of SIDS and the cause of autism only incredulity remains to carry the day.
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Unfortunately Medical Science follows a rather more complex procedure than just saying the answer that would happen to please you.

Your belief that things should be so simple is astounding. Perhaps you could perform theresearch yourself if you have a timetable laid out and know the rest of the world is behind schedule?
 
Tomtomkent said:
Unfortunately Medical Science follows a rather more complex procedure than just saying the answer that would happen to please you.

Your belief that things should be so simple is astounding. Perhaps you could perform theresearch yourself if you have a timetable laid out and know the rest of the world is behind schedule?
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I'm dubbing your confidence in the honesty of Medical Science's more complex procedure/methodology "OJ" in honor of the lies and machinations that enabled OJ to get away with killing TWO people. Lies and machinations carried the day while the entire country watched justice be damned.
 
Clayton Moore said:
I'm dubbing your confidence in the honesty of Medical Science's more complex procedure/methodology "OJ" in honor of the lies and machinations that enabled OJ to get away with killing TWO people. Lies and machinations carried the day while the entire country watched justice be damned.
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So to answer m question, are you able to perform the research yourself, given how simple you claim it should be?
 
Clayton Moore said:
!986? I mean really, last century research?
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Did you mean to say "1986" there Clayton? If so, perhaps you could point out which of those three links goes to research published in 1986? I see 1995, 1999 and 2001...

Am I missing something?
 
jdc324 said:
Did you mean to say "1986" there Clayton? If so, perhaps you could point out which of those three links goes to research published in 1986? I see 1995, 1999 and 2001...

Am I missing something?
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Yes!

1986 data.

1995, 1999 and 2001?

It's nearly 2013.

1995 = 17 year old study. From outside of the US.
1999 = 13 year old study. From outside of the US.
2001 = 11 year old study. From outside of the US.

http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine...ine-schedule/history-of-vaccine-schedule.html
 
Clayton Moore said:
Yes!

1986 data.

1995, 1999 and 2001?

It's nearly 2013.

1995 = 17 year old study. From outside of the US.
1999 = 13 year old study. From outside of the US.
2001 = 11 year old study. From outside of the US.

http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine...ine-schedule/history-of-vaccine-schedule.html
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You complained about information on the CDC website, so I found you some data from outside of the US. Are you now complaining about data from outside the US?

If you want something more recent, there's a meta analysis from 2007: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17400342 but I'm afraid it's from Germany so perhaps you will dismiss it for being from outside the US.

The summary odds ratio (OR) in the univariate analysis suggested that immunisations were protective, but the presence of heterogeneity makes it difficult to combine these studies. The summary OR for the studies reporting multivariate ORs was 0.54 (95% CI=0.39-0.76) with no evidence of heterogeneity.
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Immunisations are associated with a halving of the risk of SIDS. There are biological reasons why this association may be causal, but other factors, such as the healthy vaccinee effect, may be important. Immunisations should be part of the SIDS prevention campaigns.
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