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I don't think ESL can really be an excuse after years of getting things the same things wrong in the same way.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Rarely have so many queued up to explain why nonsense is nonsense.

You gotta love the voluminous retaliation to what is ridiculed as nonsense.

It's like the verbosity that spews when a nerve is touched(a person's lie is exposed).
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lol

You post a long-debunked claim about squalene, anthrax vaccines and Gulf War Syndrome. Someone points out that you're wrong. You ignore them. Several other people point out that you're wrong and provide evidence that you're wrong. You eventually respond not by addressing the evidence but by pointing out that several people have pointed out that you're wrong.

If no-one had responded, you'd have taken that to mean you were correct I suppose? For future reference, how many people should point out that you are wrong? Will you take notice of two people but become suspicious of three?
 
Note how he doesn't actually say he exposed any kind of lie. He just implies that people are reacting like he had. Clever little Clay. For certain definitions of clever.
 
Interview with world renowned author, lecturer and educator Tedd Koren, D.C. on the dangers of vaccinations.·
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbNRdx1_7aU&feature=watch-vrec
Truth About Vaccinations (part 1 of 4):Tedd Koren D.C.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEKiOKcUOI&feature=relmfu
Truth About Vaccinations (part 2 of 4):Tedd Koren D.C.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkOyao2XoLs&feature=relmfu
Truth About Vaccinations (part 3 of 4):Tedd Koren D.C.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbuKaO_ieuw&feature=relmfu
Truth About Vaccinations (part 4 of 4):Tedd Koren D.C.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Ron Paul is a doctor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJiTStZtrlE&feature=share
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Thanks, CM. But what does that have to do with the topic?

I found this about the man's stance on the vaccine autism link:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/

I know there are a lot of people here who are convinced that all vaccines are harmful. But it appears that the vaccine-autism link that began with a study in the UK was falsified.

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"A now-retracted British study that linked autism to childhood vaccines was an "elaborate fraud" that has done long-lasting damage to public health, a leading medical publication reported Wednesday.

An investigation published by the British medical journal BMJ concludes the study's author, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, misrepresented or altered the medical histories of all 12 of the patients whose cases formed the basis of the 1998 study -- and that there was "no doubt" Wakefield was responsible."
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http://www.dailypaul.com/153698/vaccine-autism-study-was-an-elaborate-fraud
 
Clayton Moore said:
Interview with world renowned author, lecturer and educator Tedd Koren, D.C. on the dangers of vaccinations.·
·

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbNRdx1_7aU&feature=watch-vrec
Truth About Vaccinations (part 1 of 4):Tedd Koren D.C.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEKiOKcUOI&feature=relmfu
Truth About Vaccinations (part 2 of 4):Tedd Koren D.C.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkOyao2XoLs&feature=relmfu
Truth About Vaccinations (part 3 of 4):Tedd Koren D.C.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbuKaO_ieuw&feature=relmfu
Truth About Vaccinations (part 4 of 4):Tedd Koren D.C.
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yt:dw.

Can you put your argument into words?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Interview with world renowned author, lecturer and educator Tedd Koren, D.C. on the dangers of vaccinations.·
·

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbNRdx1_7aU&feature=watch-vrec
Truth About Vaccinations (part 1 of 4):Tedd Koren D.C.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEKiOKcUOI&feature=relmfu
Truth About Vaccinations (part 2 of 4):Tedd Koren D.C.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkOyao2XoLs&feature=relmfu
Truth About Vaccinations (part 3 of 4):Tedd Koren D.C.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbuKaO_ieuw&feature=relmfu
Truth About Vaccinations (part 4 of 4):Tedd Koren D.C.
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Clayton, do you think you could finish your thought processes on one claim before trying the "oh look shiny object over there" tactic? What about squalene and this massive military personnel exodus? Where is the squalene in vaccines, particularly those given to any military people?

And a chiroquactor isn't a doctor nor a scientist and yootoob isn't a citation.

Este
 
Clayton Moore said:
View the video.
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No. For several reasons. It's by a chiropractor, not a doctor. If you have a point to make, that's backed by research, then you can put it in writing, and the references can be checked. It's much quicker (for some, anyway) to obtain information by reading than by watching a video. I'm not going to waste my time watching an unqualified quack spouting nonsense; reading your posts is bad enough.
 
zooterkin said:
No. For several reasons. It's by a chiropractor, not a doctor. If you have a point to make, that's backed by research, then you can put it in writing, and the references can be checked. It's much quicker (for some, anyway) to obtain information by reading than by watching a video. I'm not going to waste my time watching an unqualified quack spouting nonsense; reading your posts is bad enough.
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Too bad. Your loss. Big Pharma's research is fine with you.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/sids_faq.html

From 2 to 4 months old, babies begin their primary course of vaccinations. This is also the peak age for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). The timing of these two events has led some people to believe they might be related. However, studies have concluded that vaccinations are not a risk factor for SIDS.

With babies receiving multiple doses of vaccines during their first year of life and SIDS being the leading cause of death in babies between one month and one year of age, CDC has led research studies to look for possible linkages. Results from studies below and continued monitoring reassure us about the safety of vaccines.
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Do you really believe those liars?

I sincerely hope you are not responsible for making a vaccine decision for a minor.

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Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the 1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of childhood. It became a matter of public and professional concern and even acquired a new name, “sudden infant death of unknown origin, or, for short, SIDS.

This name is significant, in the light of subsequent controversies, since of unknown origin” means exactly that. So, when the medical establishment assures us that SIDS is unrelated to vaccinations, the obvious response is, How do you know?, if it is defined as "of unknown origin"? At this (as with most common-sense questions about vaccinations) the medical establishment prefers to retire from the debate in dignified silence.

So we have witnessed a steady rise in the incidence of SIDS, closely following the growth in childhood vaccinations. But information on the progress of this epidemic has been radically suppressed in the official literature. Whereas in earlier decades -- up to the end of the 1950s -- the medical establishment could recognize the fact of death after vaccination, more recently, as the official position has hardened, the earlier concessions have been withdrawn, and vaccinations of all kinds are now declared absolutely safe at all times and in all places. This has required some fancy footwork with the epidemiologic statistics, as we will see below.
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Wow. Another "we don't know." How could the medical community possibly NOT know what caused the deaths of thousands of infants each year.

A typical SIDS post-vaccination case would be the baby with a slight bacterial or viral infection who is vaccinated and then dies of the infection. These cases are invariably classified by attending physicians and coroners as “death from an infection” without taking into account the fact that vaccinations are known to lower resistance momentarily (for a day or two).

In this state of lowered immunity the baby might well die from the infection which would otherwise have been innocuous. So such a case would not even be classified as SIDS (since the infectious “cause” is known), and certainly not as “SIDS after a vaccination,” even though the baby would not have died in the absence of a vaccination. How many such cases were rejected by the "panel of pathologists"? We are not told.
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slight bacterial or viral infection

This is the scenario I mentioned in an earlier post. A baby or toddler becoming sick without discernible symptoms early during a new illness.
The baby gets vaccine shot(s) and the new illness is made more serious, possibly deadly by the vaccine(s).
 
CM, are you seriously suggesting sudden crib death is caused by a 48 hour dip in resistance?
"These cases are invariably classified by attending physicians and coroners as “death from an infection” without taking into account the fact that vaccinations are known to lower resistance momentarily (for a day or two)."

But in any case, isn't this going off topic?
I don't really get the link of vaccines to autism.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Too bad. Your loss. Big Pharma's research is fine with you.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/sids_faq.html




Do you really believe those liars?
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So, this is your idea of a reasoned argument, quoting something that opposes your position, and just asserting that the people saying it are liars?

I sincerely hope you are not responsible for making a vaccine decision for a minor.
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My children had all their vaccinations, and are fine and healthy, thank you. I'd be seriously worried if you had responsibility for a goldfish, though.

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Wow. Another "we don't know." How could the medical community possibly NOT know what caused the deaths of thousands of infants each year.
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We do know that vaccinations are not the cause. Do you know what "correlation does not imply causation" means"
 
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