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Anyone Heard of the Scent of the Departed?

"I had a witness. He remembers it clearly.
Sure you do. Sure he does."
You mean I lied twice? I saw him at a party a month ago and we discussed it. So you're saying I did not have a witness? This may mean you think having a witness makes me more credible which you don't like. His mother has died but he is still very much alive. What an attitude!


The point is, merely saying you have a witness does us absolutely no good for purposes of investigation.

In order to from any kind of reasonable conclusion, what we really need is some form of evidence. At this point all we have to go on is a single anecdote from you, which is a claim and not evidence.
 
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The scent was up by the ceiling.

Get back here with those goalposts!

Seriously, you keep making irrelevant additions of dubious details to your story. What were you doing, jumping on the bed? Does your ex-husband levitate while sleeping (reasonable grounds for a relationship ending I suppose), and that's how he smelled it? And scents are specifically confined to parcells of air and never waft, disperse, or in any other way confound our already demonstrated to be unreliable senses...

"I had a witness. He remembers it clearly.
Sure you do. Sure he does."
You mean I lied twice? I saw him at a party a month ago and we discussed it. So you're saying I did not have a witness? This may mean you think having a witness makes me more credible which you don't like. His mother has died but he is still very much alive. What an attitude!


You probably don't think you are lying, but I will tell you that your brain will make up details and lie to you all the time. Seriously, your brain is the wors recording device for details and information that I can think of... Saying that you have an eyewiness, sould if anything, decrease any veracity of a story...
 
Get back here with those goalposts!

Seriously, you keep making irrelevant additions of dubious details to your story. What were you doing, jumping on the bed? Does your ex-husband levitate while sleeping (reasonable grounds for a relationship ending I suppose), and that's how he smelled it? And scents are specifically confined to parcells of air and never waft, disperse, or in any other way confound our already demonstrated to be unreliable senses...




You probably don't think you are lying, but I will tell you that your brain will make up details and lie to you all the time. Seriously, your brain is the wors recording device for details and information that I can think of... Saying that you have an eyewiness, sould if anything, decrease any veracity of a story...
Fine. The fact that he was there discounts the "tale" even more. Whatever. When I said, "ceiling" I meant it was above us. The scent was not next to us or in the covers. And I would rather stick my head in a gas oven than even begin to discuss the multiple reasons for our breakup. Dreamer.
 
No one is disputing that your former whatever smelt something flowery, or that he woke you up and you also smelt it. We're disputing your insistence on avoiding the most rational explanation available.
 
Get back here with those goalposts!

Seriously, you keep making irrelevant additions of dubious details to your story. What were you doing, jumping on the bed? Does your ex-husband levitate while sleeping (reasonable grounds for a relationship ending I suppose), and that's how he smelled it? And scents are specifically confined to parcells of air and never waft, disperse, or in any other way confound our already demonstrated to be unreliable senses...




You probably don't think you are lying, but I will tell you that your brain will make up details and lie to you all the time. Seriously, your brain is the wors recording device for details and information that I can think of... Saying that you have an eyewiness, sould if anything, decrease any veracity of a story...
"you probably don't think you're lying..." If someone is lying they have no doubt about it. But I like that you suspect I am because it makes it seem like you could never, ever believe the dead could visit us. Just what I thought. Poor guy. You live a life demanding scientific proof with no thoughts of miracles, no otherworldly encounters, no belief in life after death or UFO's. Such a cold way to live. Oh, well; people can change. You still have a chance.
 
I guess it's about time for a re-post of this old gem:

The Dragon In My Garage

by Carl Sagan


"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"

Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!

"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle -- but no dragon.

"Where's the dragon?" you ask.

"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."

You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.

"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air."

Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.

"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."

You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.

Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative -- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved."

Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons -- to say nothing about invisible ones -- you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon.

Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages -- but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all.

Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence" -- no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it -- is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.
 
"I had a witness. He remembers it clearly.
Sure you do. Sure he does."
You mean I lied twice? I saw him at a party a month ago and we discussed it. So you're saying I did not have a witness? This may mean you think having a witness makes me more credible which you don't like. His mother has died but he is still very much alive. What an attitude!

I once saw the ghost of a purple unicorn. My husband was with me, and he saw it, too. I won't provide any evidence to verify what we both saw, but you should take my word for it because I claim to have had a witness.

Now, does that make my alleged experience more credible?

"you probably don't think you're lying..." If someone is lying they have no doubt about it. But I like that you suspect I am because it makes it seem like you could never, ever believe the dead could visit us. Just what I thought. Poor guy. You live a life demanding scientific proof with no thoughts of miracles, no otherworldly encounters, no belief in life after death or UFO's. Such a cold reasonable way to live. Oh, well; people can change. You still have a chance.

FIFY.

You recited a fantastical memory about smelling the dead on a forum dedicated to critical thinking. Did you somehow expect everyone would "oooh" and "aah" and not respond with logic? Or question the shifting goalposts?
 
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"you probably don't think you're lying..." If someone is lying they have no doubt about it. But I like that you suspect I am because it makes it seem like you could never, ever believe the dead could visit us. Just what I thought. Poor guy. You live a life demanding scientific proof with no thoughts of miracles, no otherworldly encounters, no belief in life after death or UFO's. Such a cold way to live. Oh, well; people can change. You still have a chance.

The dead can't visit anyone. They're dead.
 
I had a similar experience after my one cat Brandi died. She smelled like babypowder and for awhile after when I smelled in the air I was really puzzled by this. I figured it was just a remanant scent of her from the places she used to like to sleep. She did spend a lot of time in my room and that is where the smell was strongest. Which made even more sense when I lay down of my bed a certain way, near her favourite spot.

The idea of the dead visiting people is kind of creepy in my opinion.
 
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The point is, merely saying you have a witness does us absolutely no good for purposes of investigation.

In order to from any kind of reasonable conclusion, what we really need is some form of evidence. At this point all we have to go on is a single anecdote from you, which is a claim and not evidence.
You and I both know for a fact that you and your kind would never accept any evidence offered to you as real evidence. Don't ask for evidence when you don't believe in any presented to you. It is all a fabrication, a trick and nothing could convince you of anything unless you touched it and/or saw it for yourself. In which case you would simply consider it a very clever slight of hand or technological spectacle.
 
I had a similar experience after my one cat Brandi died. She smelled like babypowder and for awhile after when I smelled in the air I was really puzzled by this. I figured it was just a remanant scent of her from the places she used to like to sleep. She did spend a lot of time in my room and that is where the smell was strongest. Which made even more sense when I lay down of my bed a certain way, near her favourite spot.

The idea of the dead visiting people is kind of creepy in my opinion.
The experience of being visited by loved ones after they have died is absolutely beautiful, wondrous and harmless. I wish it for everyone .
 
The dead can't visit anyone. They're dead.
They're dead in a sense, yes. The good news is they're still alive in some form. No; don't ask me what kind of form or where they reside. I don't know. Watch:
"I Survived Beyond and Back."
 
Dead people are dead. This is relevant.

If you're going to stick around, would you consider removing the apostrophe from "it's" in the quote attributed to the engineer from RCA in your signature? I know engineers, and they hate little things being wrong like that. If he's dead, it's probably haunting him. :)
 
You and I both know for a fact that you and your kind would never accept any evidence offered to you as real evidence.
So what was the purpose of your next two posts?

Skeptics aren't going to convince you that you're mistaken, and you're not going to convince skeptics that you actually smelt a ghost. Now what?
 
I once saw the ghost of a purple unicorn. My husband was with me, and he saw it, too. I won't provide any evidence to verify what we both saw, but you should take my word for it because I claim to have had a witness.

Now, does that make my alleged experience more credible?



FIFY.

You recited a fantastical memory about smelling the dead on a forum dedicated to critical thinking. Did you somehow expect everyone would "oooh" and "aah" and not respond with logic? Or question the shifting goalposts?
'I once saw the ghost of a purple unicorn. My husband was with me, and he saw it, too. I won't provide any evidence to verify what we both saw, but you should take my word for it because I claim to have had a witness.

Now, does that make my alleged experience more credible?" Not for me because I am convinced there is no such thing as purple unicorns. I did see pink elephants once on my ceiling but I had a high fever and knew they weren't there. I was 8. But sure; if your belief system is blocked concerning the dead being alive I wouldn't believe me either. I understand. You are sure they're totally dead while I'm certain they're still alive. And that's ok.
 
You and I both know for a fact that you and your kind would never accept any evidence offered to you as real evidence.
Don't ask for evidence when you don't believe in any presented to you.

Nonsense. You don't know that for a fact because there's no evidence to support it, and you can't, and shouldn't, speak for anyone else.

For that matter, you haven't presented any real evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

Just keep dodging the logical questions, though, and shifting those goalposts.

It is all a fabrication...
You yourself admitted you made the story up, yet you are getting all pissy because people don't believe it?

...if your belief system is blocked concerning the dead being alive I wouldn't believe me either. I understand. You are sure they're totally dead while I'm certain they're still alive. And that's ok.

The dead, by the very definition of the word, cannot be alive. You do understand what those words mean, right?

Dead:No longer alive.
Alive: Not dead.

See how that works?

Why are you here? To convince critical thinkers that something is true based on anecdotal evidence? It's been tried before, without success. Or to make yourself feel special among the "close minded" skeptics? If so, you really need another hobby.
 
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No one is disputing that your former whatever smelt something flowery, or that he woke you up and you also smelt it. We're disputing your insistence on avoiding the most rational explanation available.
Everyone is doubting each statement I made. It's ok. :p
 

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