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Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3

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Didn't Noll try to trick you into doing a walk for one of the documentaries?

What was the story with that?

No. I posted a photo of a PVC pipe that was calibrated at one foot intervals and set into sand at the beach. It functioned as a standard by which photogrametry tests could be performed as a test subject walked by.

Noll decided to capitalize on this by ~rhetorically~ asking whether I needed it to "duplicate the Patterson film subject walk." Noll is really good at simply floating stuff out there in a sort of weirdly ambiguous way. I think Noll is savvy enough to know that you don't have to OVERTLY lie to get your message across to other 'footers. He can leave the more pathological false accusations to his groupie.

Noll is not a crude hoaxer like Paul Freeman in the sense that he fabricates evidence outright. He's an opportunist, in the sense that he claims "Bigfoot" when ambiguous or likely hoaxed evidence comes his way. It's a much more subtle con that what Freeman or Ivan Marx put forth, but it's clearly enough to become one of the king 'squatchers for the Bigfoot Forums rubes.
 
No. I posted a photo of a PVC pipe that was calibrated at one foot intervals and set into sand at the beach. It functioned as a standard by which photogrametry tests could be performed as a test subject walked by.

Noll decided to capitalize on this by ~rhetorically~ asking whether I needed it to "duplicate the Patterson film subject walk." Noll is really good at simply floating stuff out there in a sort of weirdly ambiguous way. I think Noll is savvy enough to know that you don't have to OVERTLY lie to get your message across to other 'footers. He can leave the more pathological false accusations to his groupie.

Noll is not a crude hoaxer like Paul Freeman in the sense that he fabricates evidence outright. He's an opportunist, in the sense that he claims "Bigfoot" when ambiguous or likely hoaxed evidence comes his way. It's a much more subtle con that what Freeman or Ivan Marx put forth, but it's clearly enough to become one of the king 'squatchers for the Bigfoot Forums rubes.
Like in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiG2CV9qgN0
 
Back on track here:

I think people have wondered where the notion that Bigfoot likes to mutilate trees and break branches comes from. If I'm hearing Dahinden correctly, it sounds like Bob Titmus may have introduced the notion to Bigfootery by observing broken trees in Bluff Creek. From there, Paul Freeman took the ball and ran with it, and it became part of Bigfoot legend.

There might be written, historical resources that give a better answer. For those just joining us, I'm referring to the lecture Dahinden gave in 1996:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m16fdfMH_b4&feature=g-upl
 
^Well that, and anything gorillas, chimps, or orangs do bigfoots must do too. Same goes for bushbabies - they're primates and have a well developed tapetum lucidum, so bigfoot must too.
 
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Didn't Noll try to trick you into doing a walk for one of the documentaries?

What was the story with that?

It's possible I've misinterpreted your question. It took me some time to realize what Noll was all about. Up until that time I was cooperative with what he was doing. He allowed me to make a copy of CA-19 for which he had a latex mold. He allowed me to use various photographs.

During this period he was creating content for the Monsterquest TV show. He asked me to don a Bigfoot suit he had to create some "B roll" content. He said that later he would ask me what it was like to wear the suit. He wanted this video to be spooky and dramatic, so he wants to do this at dawn, as there might be a fog bank. Being summertime, I simply stayed awake all night to make it there by dawn.

This field had grasses as tall as I was, which is 6 feet. Noll's suit was pretty good, and fit fairly well. The problem was the eyes, which were not eye-holes at all! I had to look out from the NOSTRILS of this mask! So I'm slogging through 6' grasses, looking through NOSTRIL HOLES trying to see. I'm lucky I didn't fall and impale myself.

Some time passes, and he wants to interview me on camera about this. It begins to dawn on me that this interview makes no sense, as I can describe trying to walk in his suit through 6's grasses looking through nostril holes thusly: It sucked.

But at this point I'm still cooperative, and agree to do his interview. He asks all sorts of round-about questions, nothing to do with wearing his suit. Slowly it dawns on me that this was all a set-up; namely he wants me to admit on camera that it was tough to walk in his suit, and by extension that an actor in a suit at Bluff Creek would be unable to do so either. We ran out of time that afternoon, and I later confronted Noll on the phone about what I thought was dishonest treatment.

Not surprisingly, Noll's groupie publicly accused me of attempting to duplicate the Patterson film and failing. A complete and total LIE, but back then she was riding high amongst the 'Footers, and such lies were accepted.

About 3 seconds of this B-roll footage appears on one episode of Monsterquest. I've seen it, and I don't think it looks all that bad, considering the difficulty provided by the grasses and the eye-holes.

It's very flattering when someone comes along and tells you your work is valuable and needs to be "documented." Good con-men are good if they don't betray their true motives. I bought Noll's pitch at first, and I confess he had me believing he was simply after the truth. He's not after the truth, he's an opportunist who wants to generate pro-Bigfoot content for self-promotion.
 
Here is a video of the "discovery".

A couple of things: Once again, it's right by a road. Do these guys ever go off into the woods? Also, there are elk hoof prints all over the place, and not one Bigfoot print. How in the world could they ever reach the conclusion that that was a Bigfoot?? That video speaks volumes about the mind of a hoaxer. Or a believer.
 
Literally 5 yards from a road. If I remember correctly, the game cam they had set up, showed plenty of elk, and even trucks going by on that very road. But no bigfoot.
 
I am amazed (again) at the time and detail that you guys can find and come up with when dealing with this subject and its followers !
 
Here ya go Tom! The Skookum cast site, miles into the wilderness ~ lol

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Here ya go Tom! The Skookum cast site, miles into the wilderness ~ lol

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I think that is the most defining single image of Bigfoot phenomenon to date...
 
That doesn't look like a 4x4 vehicle.

Is that dirt area a logging truck turn-around point on the road?
 
That's the classic example. Look! A sasquatch! Let's go home...

They were supposedly very close in time and distance to this sasquatch that night/morning. The next day, they leave the area.
 
Hilarious Slocie. It's the omnipresent theme, something I was pointing out in the Elbe thread.

In the PGF too, look how the photos we have are all tunnel-vision close-ups of tracks or staged to show the Patty walk against the bluff, but never showing the road they were on , which was good enough for a 2wd pulling a horse trailer to turn around.
 
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