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Examples of Freeman success stories

I saw a lot of this when girlgye was getting into all sorts of trouble and the only help she got was "good on you" responses on a Bulletin Board.

I also recall the girlgye fiasco - it was probably the first in-process train wreck of FOTL I observed (although there have been MANY MORE since then). I kind of always felt bad for girlgye, I know you cant diagnose mental illness over the internet but her mannerisms and story made it highly likely that she fell into FMOTL due to mental illness. Anyone know what ever happened to her? She got held in contempt and spent lots of time in jail and I remember just kept filing legal gibberish documents...and then just sort of vanished.
 
Anyone know what ever happened to her? She got held in contempt and spent lots of time in jail and I remember just kept filing legal gibberish documents...and then just sort of vanished.

...when in doubt hide in secluded forums,
ScoobyDoo Syndrome...

I so wish I had a haunted amusement arcade or a lighthouse.

...if it wasn't for those pesky kids I'd have won in court!

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Menard is such a "Shaggy". :)
 
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...when in doubt hide in secluded forums,
ScoobyDoo Syndrome...

I so wish I had a haunted amusement arcade or a lighthouse.

...if it wasn't for those pesky kids I'd have won in court!

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Menard is such a "Shaggy". :)

Really? I'm picturing more of a Scrappy-Doo.
 
I find it ironic that Meta seems so badly in need of society and it’s help.

Whether it’s assistance with his light bill, his government benefits or the largess of the local library Meta just can’t seem to do without the authorities he hates. One suspects his dependency is exactly what’s eating at him.

I will leave it to the reader to suppose what sort of medical/therapeutic help the poor boy needs for his rage problem.

No more than a short car ride from Meta’s home in Covington, Kentucky are several rural Kentucky counties chock full of mind-your-business-and-I’ll-mind-mine communities where our subject could get himself a little house, chop his own wood, grow a garden, hunt some game and rant on the internet all he wants.

I doubt it will ever happen. It seems Meta needs a community to abuse the same way a drunk needs a lamppost.
Some people really, really, don't play well with others in the sandbox. Just thank whatever deity you choose that you don't have one as a family member, neighbour, or tenant, or worst of all share custody of a child with one.

I think that every time we think of Freemen or Freemanism we have to remember that this is where they are all coming from, and they make way, way more sense.
 
I also recall the girlgye fiasco - it was probably the first in-process train wreck of FOTL I observed (although there have been MANY MORE since then). I kind of always felt bad for girlgye, I know you cant diagnose mental illness over the internet but her mannerisms and story made it highly likely that she fell into FMOTL due to mental illness. Anyone know what ever happened to her? She got held in contempt and spent lots of time in jail and I remember just kept filing legal gibberish documents...and then just sort of vanished.
She disappeared into the world of Facebook by starting their own little forum to discuss freemanism free from the interference of logic, sense and reality.

She had her own business employing several people who all lost their jobs because of her obsession.
She is/was a colon hydrotherapist.(make up your own jokes)
 
I also recall the girlgye fiasco - it was probably the first in-process train wreck of FOTL I observed (although there have been MANY MORE since then). I kind of always felt bad for girlgye, I know you cant diagnose mental illness over the internet but her mannerisms and story made it highly likely that she fell into FMOTL due to mental illness. Anyone know what ever happened to her? She got held in contempt and spent lots of time in jail and I remember just kept filing legal gibberish documents...and then just sort of vanished.

I find it interesting that when somebody gets a bad cough friends, acquaintances and even passers by don’t have any problem giving help and advice about what the poor sick soul can do to keep the cough from turning into double pneumonia.

But let somebody start acting a little crazy and everybody runs for the hills.

It’s not just a problem in the freeman cult, but everywhere. But in freeman land acting crazy has become the norm.

In the freeman subculture, it seems to me there was a time before the tipping point into crazy when freemen could have set a cultural standard of sane behavior and guiding crazies to sources of help.

Of course this would have required freemen to accept the help of the regular society and that freeman gurus set good examples by not lying, not acting crazy, being reasonably clean and sober and refraining from posting YouTubes rants while high as kites.

Instead, Lance Thatcher, Brian Alexander, girlgye, BMXninja, Meta and probably several others we don’t know about were turned into fodder for the pocket books and egos of freeman gurus.

And the cult is only getting crazier.
 
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I find it interesting that when somebody gets a bad cough friends, acquaintances and even passers by don’t have any problem giving help and advice about what the poor sick soul can do to keep the cough from turning into double pneumonia.

But let somebody start acting a little crazy and everybody runs for the hills.

It’s not just a problem in the freeman cult, but everywhere. But in freeman land acting crazy has become the norm.

In the freeman subculture, it seems to me there was a time before the tipping point into crazy when freemen could have set a cultural standard of sane behavior and guiding crazies to sources of help.

Of course this would have required freemen to accept the help of the regular society and that freeman gurus set good examples by not lying, not acting crazy, being reasonably clean and sober and refraining from posting YouTubes rants while high as kites.

Instead, Lance Thatcher, Brian Alexander, girlgye, BMXninja, Meta and probably several others we don’t know about were turned into fodder for the pocket books and egos of freeman gurus.

And the cult is only getting crazier.

$3.57 marked down from $4.00
 
Two more "successes".

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http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/sovereign-citizen-pleads-guilty-to-racketeering/nSbgy/

By Mike Morris
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

An admitted member of the “sovereign citizens” group that authorities claim used bogus paperwork to steal houses across metro Atlanta pleaded guilty Thursday to racketeering.

Corey Bernard Freeman was sentenced by DeKalb County Superior Court Judge Courtney Johnson after prosecutors agreed to allow Freeman to get out of jail for time served plus three years of supervised probation, Channel 2 Action News reported.

Freeman, who has been in jail since July, 2010, was one of 12 people indicted by a DeKalb grand jury in connection with the thefts of 18 properties in eight counties.
Several of those indicted have already pleaded guilty, and Freeman agreed to testify against four remaining co-defendants.

“My client recognizes that what he did was in violation of the law and wants to plead guilty, wants to move on with his life,” Freeman’s attorney, Andre Johnson, said at Thursday’s sentencing.


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http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Ben...-plans-appeal/story-17030906-detail/story.htm


Benefit cheat seeking jury trial plans appeal
Thursday, October 04, 2012
The Cornishman Follow

A GULVAL man convicted by magistrates of benefit fraud totalling more than £4,000 has vowed to take his battle for the right to trial by jury to the highest courts in the land.
Kevin Singh, 42, of Gulval Cross, Gulval, has appealed the outcome of last month's hearing where he faced six charges of receiving benefits while in paid employment.
At that hearing, Singh insisted that he wanted a trial by jury but was told that as his offences were summary only there could not be a Crown Court hearing with a jury, unless it went to appeal.

Singh, who describes himself as a Freeman on the Land, failed to enter pleas to the charges and opted to stay in court to listen to the hearing where he was found guilty and sentenced.
Last week he appeared at Truro Crown Court for an initial hearing in the appeal process to discuss issues including enforcement of the sentence, ahead of an appeal hearing set to take place early next year.

One of the issues raised by Mr Singh's McKenzie friend – or lay adviser – Robin de Crittenden, was legal aid. Recorder Stephen Climie said he was happy to recommend that Mr Singh receive the financial help for legal advice but it was not in his power to approve the application.

"It does seem to me that this is a case where everyone would be helped by Mr Singh having legal representation," he said.

Mr Climie also said that Mr Singh's sentence from the magistrates' court – 100 hours of unpaid work and payment of £2,200 costs – should be delayed.

He said: "If I have power then enforcement of the sentence and the costs ordered should be stayed until the outcome of this appeal."

Mr Climie ordered both parties to prepare skeleton arguments, summarising submissions likely to be made at the hearing, which is set to take place early next year.

Speaking outside the court, Mr de Crittenden said the appeal was about whether magistrates should be allowed to take away the option of trial by jury.

"He (Singh) didn't cause this," he said. "Mr Singh is reacting against an injustice that has been imposed on him. It was caused by the fact that he was denied the right to be tried by a jury in the first place."

Mr de Crittenden said they would continue to fight the case and it was likely to be referred upwards to higher courts – possibly even the Supreme Court.
"We will not let go until it has got there," he said. "Then the arguments will really begin."
 
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English law doesn't allow for a Summary Offence to be heard by a Jury. It goes to a Magistrates Bench where it is heard by 3 Magistrates and a Clerk who can give legal advice to the magistrates.
Magistrates hear all cases in the first instance. If the offence will attract a sentance outside their powers to then it gets referred to Crown Court. For example a Magistrates Court can't give more than 6 months in jail so any charge that has a higher sentance gets put to Crown. Even an appeal won't get him a Jury. ALl he will get is the sentance upheld and extra costs to pay.
 
From the Cornish case:

One of the issues raised by Mr Singh's McKenzie friend – or lay adviser – Robin de Crittenden, was legal aid.

Er? A FOTL wants to employ a lawyer? :confused:
Surely any lawyer would advise Mr Singh that FOTL is rubbish?
 
English law doesn't allow for a Summary Offence to be heard by a Jury. It goes to a Magistrates Bench where it is heard by 3 Magistrates and a Clerk who can give legal advice to the magistrates.
Magistrates hear all cases in the first instance. If the offence will attract a sentance outside their powers to then it gets referred to Crown Court. For example a Magistrates Court can't give more than 6 months in jail so any charge that has a higher sentance gets put to Crown. Even an appeal won't get him a Jury. ALl he will get is the sentance upheld and extra costs to pay.

Freemen have wrongly loped onto the belief that common law traditions call for a jury trial for everything from a parking ticket to a public urination charge.

Here in the US of A, federal and states constitutions specifically extend the right to a jury trial in cases that would result in a sentence of greater consequence. We yanks, too, have the 6 month standard, due to case law set by Supreme Court precedent.

Our freeman brethren are under the mistaken impression that common law courts gathered up juries of 12 adult males to hear the case of “John of the Smith family’s” alleged drunken urination in the town well, the penalty for which was a fine and public tongue lashing from the judge.

That being the historical and legal reality modern constitutional law has adopted the standard that the right to a public trial is not absolute.

Of course, the freeman cult’s claim to the contrary, derived from poor scholarship and comically presumed superior knowledge of history and law is little more than a self-serving ruse which allows them to ascribe their ignorance and failure to the courts, lawyers and “the sheeple“.
 
This Court agrees with Appellant’s contention that he enjoys a fundamental right to freedom of travel. See Booher, 978 S.W.2d at 955. However, Appellant’s right to travel has not been infringed upon by the requirement by our legislature that an individual have a valid driver’s license to lawfully operate a motor vehicle on the public highways of this state.
That's torn it.
 
A GULVAL man convicted by magistrates of benefit fraud totalling more than £4,000 has vowed to take his battle for the right to trial by jury to the highest courts in the land.
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Mr Climie also said that Mr Singh's sentence from the magistrates' court – 100 hours of unpaid work and payment of £2,200 costs – should be delayed.

Whoever said that crime doesn't pay. On balance he comes out ahead. If you value his labour at £10/hour, the penalty is still less than the benefit illegally received. At worst he more or less breaks even.
 

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