The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

[abaddon]

There is no way around it PC, you are engaged in the active practice of numerology.

Are you wrong, or is the babble wrong?

 

[Astreja]

You, abaddon, are saying that the Holy Bible is wrong, completely wrong. For the record, I say that it is not completely wrong.

Aristeo, a book which contains errors of any sort is unlikely to be the work of a god... Unless that god is evil and is trying to deceive you on purpose.

I did not get the date from thin air. Ama revealed that Jesus died on August 17 which I heard in 1983. I just checked if there is any ring of truth in it sixteen years after. Four years later of study, in 2003, I say that the date is true and correct.

Well, that's four years of study wasted. Ama is almost certainly wrong, as Ama has been wrong about many, many things and therefore does not meet your own criteria for the One True God.

And even if Jesus did die on August 17... So what? It doesn't matter. If he ever did exist, he's dead. You could claim that he had lime green skin, drove the fastest sports car in Jerusalem and could make sashimi platters appear out of thin air, and it still wouldn't matter. It's all just silly (and almost certainly false) stories about an ordinary person doing god-like things. Miracles don't really happen in the real world... Only in storybooks.

So if it makes you happy, Aristeo, cling to August 17 as if your very life depended upon it. I'm not going to bother. Even though I'm quite sure you're wrong, the actual date has no significance at all for Me. I'm simply not interested in analyzing the fine details of a piece of mythology that doesn't even interest Me.

 

[Craig B]

The World Book Dictionary defines numerology as “the practice of foretelling the future by the study of supposedly meaningful numbers or combinations of numbers based on a date of birth, the letters of a name, and other personal factors; the occultism of numbers.”

I read in the book of Robert W. Faid titled “A Scientific Approach to Biblical Mysteries” that the number of Jesus is 888. The author said that it is scientific and it is a bible mystery.

For Faid's scientific credentials this from his wiki entry should suffice.

In 1993, Faid was awarded the Ig Nobel prize for Mathematics for calculating the exact odds (710,609,175,188,282,000 to 1[2]) that Mikhail Gorbachev is the Antichrist, based on his 1988 book Gorbachev! Has the Real Antichrist Come? On hearing about the award, Faid said "It's a serious book, not a joke... mathematically minded people use numbers to answer many questions, even questions that are not overtly mathematical."

 

[Craig B]

For Faid's scientific credentials this from his wiki entry should suffice.

A description of an extract from Faid's scientific book proving Gorby to be the Antichrist:

Just a few months prior to the Chernobyl disaster, Christians in Kiev saw a bright light in the northern sky coming from the direction of the nuclear power station. As they watched, this light took on the shape of a fish -- the ancient Christian symbol. Then a brilliantly colored rainbow formed around the fish.

Then the most astonishing thing of all happened. A sentence appeared in the sky in Russian, saying, "I AM COMING SOON."

http://www.deuceofclubs.com/books/086gormbachov.htm Who can argue with evidence like that?

 

[Astreja]

For Faid's scientific credentials this from his wiki entry {winning an Ig Nobel Prize for a book of numerology} should suffice.

Here's another hint, Aristeo: You shouldn't believe something just because you read it in a book. Robert Faid claimed that his work was scientific, but real scientists didn't believe him and "honoured" him with an Ig Nobel. This is a prize given to bad science, to particularly silly "research" that cannot and should not be duplicated.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

What part of the following text do you not understand?

Peace Crusader, are you Roman Catholic by chance?

It is plainly stated in Acts 2:1 that the speaking in tongues was at Pentecost. I say that that is wrong. It should be at the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkoth).

You must understand that at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD, the Christians set Easter or the Christian Passover in March or April. As such, they have to modify the New Testament especially when Jesus was crucified and died and ascended to Heaven.

Now, we have the spirit of Ama to tell us what happened. It is up to us whether we will believe what He says fully or partially, or not at all.

He revealed that Jesus died on August 17 which I heard in 1983. It was only in 1999 that I checked the veracity of this date. I found it to be true and correct. There are instances in the New Testament that may not fit in this revelation, and one of them is Pentecost in Acts 2:1.

BTW, I am not a Roman Catholic anymore though I was baptized as such in 1947. I consider myself to be a non-denominational Christian, a plain follower of Jesus, since 1978. I can enter any church, especially Christian church. I can pick out things that will be good for my soul and discard what will not.

 

[Craig B]

Here's another hint, Aristeo: You shouldn't believe something just because you read it in a book. Robert Faid claimed that his work was scientific, but real scientists didn't believe him and "honoured" him with an Ig Nobel. This is a prize given to bad science, to particularly silly "research" that cannot and should not be duplicated.

Turns out Faid's a calendar fanatic just like PC, with a similar level of prophetic accuracy. This is from the orthodoxchistian website, debunking Faid and other calendric numerologists.

New Age author Jose Arguelles, in his book called The Mayan Factor, claims that according to the ancient Mayan culture’s calendar, the present era will end in 2012 AD. Date-setters often exploit ancient calendars. Robert W. Faid claims that archaeologists have recently discovered an Egyptian calendar dating back to 4000 BC. This calendar, based on solar years, allegedly runs out in 2001 AD. This is the same year, Faid asserts, that the Mayan calendar ends.

Now Faid and Arguelles cannot both be right about the Mayan calendar. There is obviously some manipulation of the calendar dates ...

So there obviously is!

 

[Astreja]

It is plainly stated in Acts 2:1 that the speaking in tongues was at Pentecost. I say that that is wrong. It should be at the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkoth).

So you think you know better than the Biblical scholars of the past 1700 years? Heeheeheeheehee!

You must understand that at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD, the Christians set Easter or the Christian Passover in March or April. As such, they have to modify the New Testament especially when Jesus was crucified and died and ascended to Heaven.

Absolutely {Rule 10} ridiculous. The Christian Passover was set up as an approximation of the Jewish Pesach, both of which are attempts to co-opt My holiday (the Vernal Equinox), which predates both of them. Do I have to phone Auntie Tiamat to have Her vouch for Me?

Now, we have a senile old Filipina scam artiste pretending to be the spirit of Ama to tell us what happened.

FTFY.

It is up to us whether we will believe what He says fully or partially, or not at all.

My vote is "Not at all," Aristeo. Kindly respect that.

I can pick out things that will be good for my soul and discard what will not.

Apparently you can't pick out things that are "good for the soul," Aristeo. In fact, you appear to do the exact opposite. The things you do pick out as "good" are so horribly, totally wrong that it boggles the imagination.

Just the other day, for instance, you again described the prospect of a devastating nuclear war as a "consolation." Any clear-thinking individual with even a rudimentary knowledge of explosive devices and radiation would describe a prospective nuclear war as a horror, a crime against humanity, and something that must be stopped at all costs. Essentially, you're wishing death upon 2/3 of My household -- My mother, My daughter, and 3 of My cats. I'm ashamed to be sharing a planet with the likes of you.

You lied to us when you said that you would renounce your faith in Ama.

You lied to us when you said Jesus was crucified during Passover but also said he was crucified two weeks after Passover.

You rely on books of mythology, pseudo-sciences like numerology, and the whistling and farting of a woman under a sheet.

You have nothing that any sane, rational and compassionate person would want.

May the words of "Ama" be lost to history.

 

[Meadmaker]

You must understand that at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD, the Christians set Easter or the Christian Passover in March or April. As such, they have to modify the New Testament especially when Jesus was crucified and died and ascended to Heaven.

It is clear that somebody modified the New Testament in order to fit the supposed dates of the crucifixion and resurrection. It just appears to most of us that the alteration occurred in 1983, not 325.

 

[Blue Mountain]

It is plainly stated in Acts 2:1 that the speaking in tongues was at Pentecost. I say that that is wrong. It should be at the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkoth).

I understand human memory can be fallible (sometimes very much so). But I would think that an event such as the speaking in tongues that occurred so soon after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus would not be subject to the collective memories of those involved getting it wrong by five months--nearly half a year. That would be like remembering September 11 occurred in February.

You must understand that at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD, the Christians set Easter or the Christian Passover in March or April. As such, they have to modify the New Testament especially when Jesus was crucified and died and ascended to Heaven.

Now, we have the spirit of Ama to tell us what happened. It is up to us whether we will believe what He says fully or partially, or not at all.

He revealed that Jesus died on August 17 which I heard in 1983. It was only in 1999 that I checked the veracity of this date. I found it to be true and correct. There are instances in the New Testament that may not fit in this revelation, and one of them is Pentecost in Acts 2:1.

Rather than examine the claims directly, I'll cut to the chase. I don't believe that the spirit of Ama contains any revelations that have relevance to Christians. Given that Ka Apaz, who you believe channels Ama, who in turn you believe is Jesus (who Christians believe is the same God who created the universe) has said a great many things that are demonstrably wrong, I see no reason to accept anything said by Ka Apaz.

BTW, I am not a Roman Catholic anymore though I was baptized as such in 1947. I consider myself to be a non-denominational Christian, a plain follower of Jesus, since 1978. I can enter any church, especially Christian church. I can pick out things that will be good for my soul and discard what will not.

In my rather limited experience with Christian denominations I find that Roman Catholics are the least acquainted with the actual content of scripture. I attribute this to over a thousand years of additional stuff that the church has added to scripture and now teaches to its followers. Think of a cottage that over the years got turned into a house, then a fortified manor house, then a walled castle, and finally a palace. The original cabin may still be in there somewhere, but you can't see it for all the other construction that now surrounds it.

Hence you seem to be unaware of strong denouncements in the Pentateuch against listening to diviners, or the cautionary tale of King Saul seeking out a medium to communicate with the spirit of Samuel, or the commands in the book of the Revelation against adding to scripture.

Like your version of history which is at all odds with what we know from history, and like your pronouncements from Ka Apaz which are at all odds with reality (giant corpse collecting heiresses to non existent fortunes and the cancellation of the London Olympic games), your version of Christianity seems to be at odds with the commands and instructions of the Bible that you simultaneously believe to be infallible and wrong. Frankly, when it comes down to a choice between the Jesus of the Bible in whom you profess to believe and the ramblings of a blind medium, you've sided with the medium every time.

Your religion should be called Kaapazamaism. It will have a brief moment of relative obscurity in this world before vanishing completely.

 

[fromdownunder]

Lets get back to the basics. The header of this thread is The crucifixion of Jesus Christ. PC, can you provide any evidence at all that your version of Jesus even existed? If he did not exist, as many believe he could not have been crucified, and your whole discussion vanishes into a ball of logic.

So, show us SOME, ANY evidence that there was such a person. I bet you can't. And you won't even try. You will simply carry on in your la-la land existence where you are the only person on the Planet who is correct.

Norm

 

[Astreja]

PC, can you provide any evidence at all that your version of Jesus even existed?

You mean the 6'8" Jesus who got flogged over 5000 times and then wore Agatha's curtains to his "symmetrical" nailing, or the regular Biblical Jesus who merely came back from the dead and got whooshed up into the sky?

 

[fromdownunder]

You mean the 6'8" Jesus who got flogged over 5000 times and then wore Agatha's curtains to his "symmetrical" nailing, or the regular Biblical Jesus who merely came back from the dead and got whooshed up into the sky?

Any evidence for either one would be fine. Of course PC won't provide any. He doesn't know what evidence is.

Norm

 

[Shiner]

The World Book Dictionary defines numerology as “the practice of foretelling the future by the study of supposedly meaningful numbers or combinations of numbers based on a date of birth, the letters of a name, and other personal factors; the occultism of numbers.”

I read in the book of Robert W. Faid titled “A Scientific Approach to Biblical Mysteries” that the number of Jesus is 888. The author said that it is scientific and it is a bible mystery.

Let's pretend *try really hard*..*for most* that numerology actually means something......As you've clearly quoted from your immaculate source, it is

"the practice of foretelling the future",

and not the past.

I'm curious (mildly) as to which particular interpretation of Jeebus' name you used, and which language you spelled it with to manipulate your arrival at 888.
I'm also curious to know if you can see the problems (glaring) associated with this thought.

In short; how do you spell Jesus H Christ?
And why?
I look forward to you ignoring another simple logic problem.

 

[hurdygurdy]

BTW, I am not a Roman Catholic anymore though I was baptized as such in 1947. I consider myself to be a non-denominational Christian, a plain follower of Jesus, since 1978. I can enter any church, especially Christian church. I can pick out things that will be good for my soul and discard what will not.

A plain follower of Jesus who wishes the death of billion of human beings and who bases his beliefs on a proven liar and false prophet. Have you ever wondered why nobody believes you?

 

[pakeha]

The World Book Dictionary defines numerology as “the practice of foretelling the future by the study of supposedly meaningful numbers or combinations of numbers based on a date of birth, the letters of a name, and other personal factors; the occultism of numbers.”

I read in the book of Robert W. Faid titled “A Scientific Approach to Biblical Mysteries” that the number of Jesus is 888. The author said that it is scientific and it is a bible mystery.

The late Robert W. Faid is best remembered for his adherence to obsessive craziness, rather than his accomplishments.
That should be a warning to you, PC.

PC, do you realise the crux of that definition is " the study of supposedly meaningful numbers"?

...You must understand that at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD, the Christians set Easter or the Christian Passover in March or April. As such, they have to modify the New Testament especially when Jesus was crucified and died and ascended to Heaven. ...

Can you point to any textual source that confirms that change?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Let's pretend *try really hard*..*for most* that numerology actually means something......As you've clearly quoted from your immaculate source, it is

"the practice of foretelling the future",

and not the past.

I'm curious (mildly) as to which particular interpretation of Jeebus' name you used, and which language you spelled it with to manipulate your arrival at 888.
I'm also curious to know if you can see the problems (glaring) associated with this thought.

In short; how do you spell Jesus H Christ?
And why?
I look forward to you ignoring another simple logic problem.

Did you know that the Ionic Greek Ciphered Numeral System came into use in Greece since the third century BC? That is 300 years even before Jesus was born! When Jesus was born, it was the Romans who were the colonizers of Bethlehem. As such, the Roman numeral system was the one in used. The number 888 cannot even be derived from the name of Jesus since only the letter I in the name of Jesus (Roman spelling is IESUS) is found in this numeral system.

Did you also know that it was only in the 12th century AD that the sum would look like 888 when the Arabic numerals using the characters 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 came into general use in Europe? The number eight that we use now does not even look like the number eight in the modern Arabic numeral. There, the number 8 looks like the Greek letter lambda or an inverted V.

During the time of Jesus, the Arabic Numeral System was not used yet. The number 8 did not even look like 8 now. The Romans were in control of Jerusalem and the Roman numeral system was used. 888 was represented in this numeral system as DCCCLXXXVIII.

It would need two different numeral systems and fifteen centuries apart before this amazing revelation of 888 would be discovered in the Arabic Numeral System. And it would be another eight centuries later before the number of Jesus and the crucifixion would be manifested and confirmed—in humble post office boxes!

The name of Jesus in Greek was used because it was the Ionic Greek Ciphered Numeral system that was used wherein each letter in the Greek alphabet has a corresponding value.

 

[abaddon]

Did you know that the Ionic Greek Ciphered Numeral System came into use in Greece since the third century BC? That is 300 years even before Jesus was born! When Jesus was born, it was the Romans who were the colonizers of Bethlehem. As such, the Roman numeral system was the one in used. The number 888 cannot even be derived from the name of Jesus since only the letter I in the name of Jesus (Romans spelling is IESUS) is found in this numeral system.

Did you also know that it was only in the 12th century AD that the sum would look like 888 when the Arabic numerals using the characters 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 came into general use in Europe? The number eight that we use now does not even look like the number eight in the modern Arabic numeral. There, the number 8 looks like the Greek letter lambda or an inverted V.

During the time of Jesus, the Arabic Numeral System was not used yet. The number 8 did not even look like 8 now. The Romans were in control of Jerusalem and the Roman numeral system was used. 888 was represented in this numeral system as DCCCLXXXVIII.

It would need two different numeral systems and fifteen centuries apart before this amazing revelation of 888 would be discovered in the Arabic Numeral System. And it would be another eight centuries later before the number of Jesus and the crucifixion would be manifested and confirmed—in humble post office boxes!

The name of Jesus in Greek was used because it was the Ionic Greek Ciphered Numeral system that was used wherein each letter in the Greek alphabet has a corresponding value.

Did you know that is blatantly numerology?

Did you know your god will damn you to hellfire for practicing it?

 

[Shiner]

Did you know that the Ionic Greek Ciphered Numeral System came into use in Greece since the third century BC?

Yes.

That is 300 years even before Jesus was born!

Why yes, yes it was.

When Jesus was born, it was the Romans who were the colonizers of Bethlehem. As such, the Roman numeral system was the one in used. The number 888 cannot even be derived from the name of Jesus since only the letter I in the name of Jesus ...<>... is found in this numeral system.

But that didn't stop you?

(Roman spelling is IESUS)

This validates my questions in the above post. Don't you see the flaws in your "logic"?

Did you also know that it was only in the 12th century AD that the sum would look like 888 when the Arabic numerals using the characters 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 came into general use in Europe? The number eight that we use now does not even look like the number eight in the modern Arabic numeral. There, the number 8 looks like the Greek letter lambda or an inverted V.

I was also aware of these irrelevant and unrelated facts. I think you missed something in my point.

During the time of Jesus, the Arabic Numeral System was not used yet. The number 8 did not even look like 8 now. The Romans were in control of Jerusalem and the Roman numeral system was used. 888 was represented in this numeral system as DCCCLXXXVIII.

But there's no stopping the truly committed, is there?

It would need two different numeral systems and fifteen centuries apart before this amazing revelation of 888 would be discovered in the Arabic Numeral System. And it would be another eight centuries later before the number of Jesus and the crucifixion would be manifested and confirmed—in humble post office boxes!

Yes, these amazing numbers just make magic happen, don't they?
Seriously? You don't see the problem with this?

If you place any significance in these P.O boxes, then wouldn't you logically assume some plot by the architect/designers of the building? Have you ever persued this line of enquiry?
Maybe the architect is Jesus. Maybe Australia Post is Jesus. The possibilities are endless.

The name of Jesus in Greek was used because it was the Ionic Greek Ciphered Numeral system that was used wherein each letter in the Greek alphabet has a corresponding value.

And you call this scientific ? Logical ? You missed the point, and always will, I'm afraid.

 

[Meadmaker]

Did you know that the Ionic Greek Ciphered Numeral System came into use in Greece since the third century BC? That is 300 years even before Jesus was born! When Jesus was born, it was the Romans who were the colonizers of Bethlehem. As such, the Roman numeral system was the one in used. The number 888 cannot even be derived from the name of Jesus since only the letter I in the name of Jesus (Roman spelling is IESUS) is found in this numeral system.

Did you also know that it was only in the 12th century AD that the sum would look like 888 when the Arabic numerals using the characters 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 came into general use in Europe? The number eight that we use now does not even look like the number eight in the modern Arabic numeral. There, the number 8 looks like the Greek letter lambda or an inverted V.

During the time of Jesus, the Arabic Numeral System was not used yet. The number 8 did not even look like 8 now. The Romans were in control of Jerusalem and the Roman numeral system was used. 888 was represented in this numeral system as DCCCLXXXVIII.

It would need two different numeral systems and fifteen centuries apart before this amazing revelation of 888 would be discovered in the Arabic Numeral System. And it would be another eight centuries later before the number of Jesus and the crucifixion would be manifested and confirmed—in humble post office boxes!

The name of Jesus in Greek was used because it was the Ionic Greek Ciphered Numeral system that was used wherein each letter in the Greek alphabet has a corresponding value.

Did you know that your post is incoherent, and seems almost a parody?