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The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

PeaceCrusader said:
So what? I was trying to show that the August 17 crucifixion of Jesus that the spirit of Ama revealed is true and correct based on the accounts in the Holy Bible. More than 30 findings. If any of these would negate August 17, 1 BC, then whatever proofs I show will not hold water anymore. What I suggest is that you pick anything that you think is wrong and we will discuss it.
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But you already claimed the holey babble is plain flat out wrong, and that ama is plain flat out wrong.

How does this square with your reliance on both?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
@Meadmaker, #631

In the first place, I was trying to show that the Holy Bible accounts prove that the revelation of the spirit of Ama that Jesus Christ was crucified and died on August 17 is true and correct. I have shown on Table 2 of http://aristean.org/speaktongue.htm where the Passover date was relative to August 17, 1 BC using the calendar conversion programs of Alan Corre and Timothy Forsythe.

You will note that Jesus could not had been crucified and died on any day of the week except a Thursday. August 17, 1 BC was a Thursday. Between AD 20 and AD 40 where Jesus was allegedly was crucified, there is not a single Nisan 14 that falls on a Thursday.
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First off, you have already stated that the babble is in error, therefore you cannot use it as any sort of authority.

Second, can you show that anyone was crucified on that date? No.

All you did was take the ramblings of ama and retro fit everything into that.
 
I want to be the god of raffia and narwhals. If nobody's taken the muffins yet, I'll have them too, please (you can keep your cupcakes, but we should have a common holy day where the worshippers give me Red Velvet cupcakes....)
 
PeaceCrusader said:
@pakeha, #572

“Panambitan” (Pleading) in http://aristean.org/pahayag001.htm is about three pages long, single space. It will take me time to fully translate it for you. Meantime, I will just translate to English the tenth paragraph on page 2 where I got the year when Jesus was crucified.

You may hear the audio file at http://aristean.org/m01b-ser5.mp3 and its transcription at http://aristean.org/transcript013.htm .

“From the time of My death, 1,974 years passed by quickly. 1,974 years of My suffering. New suffering. Because instead of mankind to look for Me and to come, they even greatly forget Me and did not obey Me.”

I copied this tape recording of a session in 1974 from an old listener.
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oooh poor lil jeebus. they were hundreds by the time of his death. now that they're hundreds of millions, he's whining. let's nuke the miscreants, that's what True Love™ is all about
PeaceCrusader said:
So what? I was trying to show that the August 17 crucifixion of Jesus that the spirit of Ama revealed is true and correct based on the accounts in the Holy Bible. More than 30 findings. If any of these would negate August 17, 1 BC, then whatever proofs I show will not hold water anymore. What I suggest is that you pick anything that you think is wrong and we will discuss it.
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you said yourself the goddam book was wrong, you're only proving you're either a liar or a fool
Astreja said:
And, using Aristeo's own criterion from the Olympalypse thread that only a True God can prophesy, I hereby promote everyone but Aristeo to honourary True Gods™. :D

Please choose Your magisteria wisely. I suggest appointing Yourselves to be in charge of Things That Happen Without Any Need for Divine Intervention. (Works for Me.)
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i chose to be the god of the roosters so utterly amazed at the sunrise they're still chanting at 6PM
 
PeaceCrusader said:
...What I am presenting is not numerology but scientific. Did you know that the Greeks had a numeral system also? The Roman numerals are just using a few letters of their alphabet. So I=1, V=5, X=10, L=50, C=100, D=500, M=1000. The Greeks had the Ionic Greek Ciphered Numeral System wherein each of the letters in the Greek alphabet corresponds to a value. The name of Jesus in Greek is ΙΗΣΟΥΣ. Substituting the values and adding them up totalled 888. 10+8+200+70+400+200=888.
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PC, what you have shown is classical numerology.
How can that be science?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
@Meadmaker, #605

The question is where the pilgrims would be merry and get drunk. Is it at Pentecost or at the Feast of Tabernacles? Purim is not a pilgrim festival.
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They would be no more likely to be drunk at Pentecost or Tabernacles. Getting drunk and making merry are not part of either holiday. The non-drunken state of the apostles doesn't provide any hint of what festival was in progress.

You seemed to have taken the passage to mean, "These men are not drunk yet, but they will be later." That is a rather unique interpretation of the text, but even if you accept that interpretation, it doesn't provide any evidence of what holiday is involved.


In my opinion, the specific holiday best supported by the passage is Pentecost, because the passage says Pentecost.
 
Meadmaker said:
They would be no more likely to be drunk at Pentecost or Tabernacles. Getting drunk and making merry are not part of either holiday. The non-drunken state of the apostles doesn't provide any hint of what festival was in progress.

You seemed to have taken the passage to mean, "These men are not drunk yet, but they will be later." That is a rather unique interpretation of the text, but even if you accept that interpretation, it doesn't provide any evidence of what holiday is involved.


In my opinion, the specific holiday best supported by the passage is Pentecost, because the passage says Pentecost.
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Sure, but according to PC the babble is wrong in those parts which fit his beliefs. So there.
 
abaddon said:
First off, you have already stated that the babble is in error, therefore you cannot use it as any sort of authority.

Second, can you show that anyone was crucified on that date? No.

All you did was take the ramblings of ama and retro fit everything into that.
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You, abaddon, are saying that the Holy Bible is wrong, completely wrong. For the record, I say that it is not completely wrong. There is the speaking in tongues in Acts 2:1 that it happened at Pentecost. No. It happened at the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkoth) on September 30, 1 BC or Tishri 15, 3761.

The spirit of Ama recommended that we use the King James Version of the Holy Bible because it is nearer the truth.

I did not get the date from thin air. Ama revealed that Jesus died on August 17 which I heard in 1983. I just checked if there is any ring of truth in it sixteen years after. Four years later of study, in 2003, I say that the date is true and correct.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
You, abaddon, are saying that the Holy Bible is wrong, completely wrong. For the record, I say that it is not completely wrong. There is the speaking in tongues in Acts 2:1 that it happened at Pentecost. No. It happened at the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkoth) on September 30, 1 BC or Tishri 15, 3761.

The spirit of Ama recommended that we use the King James Version of the Holy Bible because it is nearer the truth.

I did not get the date from thin air. Ama revealed that Jesus died on August 17 which I heard in 1983. I just checked if there is any ring of truth in it sixteen years after. Four years later of study, in 2003, I say that the date is true and correct.
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No. No. No.
You claimed that the babble is flat out wrong at least in part. Do not attempt to reverse that. It is your claim alone that the babble is wrong. Do not attempt to drag me into your sea of wrong. Address your own claim, I made none.
 
pakeha said:
PC, what you have shown is classical numerology.
How can that be science?
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The World Book Dictionary defines numerology as “the practice of foretelling the future by the study of supposedly meaningful numbers or combinations of numbers based on a date of birth, the letters of a name, and other personal factors; the occultism of numbers.”

I read in the book of Robert W. Faid titled “A Scientific Approach to Biblical Mysteries” that the number of Jesus is 888. The author said that it is scientific and it is a bible mystery.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
The World Book Dictionary defines numerology as “the practice of foretelling the future by the study of supposedly meaningful numbers or combinations of numbers based on a date of birth, the letters of a name, and other personal factors; the occultism of numbers.”

I read in the book of Robert W. Faid titled “A Scientific Approach to Biblical Mysteries” that the number of Jesus is 888. The author said that it is scientific and it is a bible mystery.
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And you engaged in exactly that right here. Burn the witch.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
What I suggest is that you pick anything that you think is wrong and we will discuss it.
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Wrong: The fact that you rely on the Bible when it agrees with you, and denounce it as false when it contradicts you. This is what is known as "cherry-picking." Because you claim the Bible is not 100% true, you cannot reliably use it for anything now. You must obtain confirmatory data from an unbiased, unrelated source (in other words, not from the Bible and not from "Ama" and not from your own website).

Wrong: The fact that you believe in golems, "true gods" with false prophesies, and giant women who go around digging up bodies.

Wrong: Your association of science with numerology, which is a blatant insult to scientists everywhere.
 
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