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000063 said:
The same reason you don't give a speeding ticket to someone who's just been in a car crash.



None of which answers the my simple question. Let me be more clear;

Is it possible, ever, for someone to be incorrect without actively saying something they think is false?
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Clay? Claaayton Moore? Hello?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Did you listen to the 7 1/2 minute video?

Read this.

http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/03/...on-by-arthur-allens-wife-and-her-brother.html

BTW I posted/linked to many doctors in this thread. Review the thread.
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So that would be a negative for finding all of these medical professionals who subscribe to your uneek beliefs.

Clayton Moore said:
Here is the horrible truth about anthrax vaccines and the Gulf War Syndrome.

http://www.hspig.org/MT/weblogs-hspig/archives/2004/11/anthrax_vaccine.html

http://www.hspig.org/MT/weblogs-hspig/archives/2004/11/anthrax_vaccine.html
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No squalene in vaccines Clayton.

Este
 
Matthew Ellard said:
Clayton. You didn't read the link. It proves you wrong (again)


"Squalene's use as an adjuvant in vaccines. Immunologic adjuvants are substances, administered in conjunction with a vaccine",
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Not to mention that it also says, "However, the Food and Drug Administration has not authorized the use of such adjuvants in the United States."
 
Clayton Moore said:
How about this guy? Is he a liar?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Scarborough#Personal_life



Personal life



http://www.care2.com/news/member/160802723/1220673
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I have no idea.
Is he doctor?
Why have you posted this up in answer to my request for the names of the medical people who back up your claim?


Clayton Moore said:
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BTW I posted/linked to many doctors in this thread. Review the thread.
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My request is that you post them up here, all together, for easy refrence.
Is this a problem?
 
All right, Clay refuses to say whether being wrong is the same as actively lying. I can't imagine why.
 
dafydd said:
You've done it again. Posting a link that proves you wrong. Why do you persist in this behaviour? Do you ever read the links all the way through before you post?
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< CM > "'Read'? What is this 'read' you speak of?" < /CM >
 
Estellea said:
No squalene in vaccines Clayton.
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Clayton Moore said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene
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Clayton,

Did you not read the post I keep directing you to? (The one that contains links to evidence that (a) there was no squalene in the anthrax vaccines and (b) there was no link between anthrax vaccines and GWS.)

I mean, if you were actually interested in the truth about squalene, vaccination and Gulf War Syndrome I'd have thought you'd have read a post containing links to relevant evidence. I addressed it to you when I originally posted it and I've referred you to it on several occasions since then. So why are you ignoring it?

You aren't really interested in the truth are you? You'd rather believe a lie.
 
Seeing as you keep bringing it up time and again, but don't seem to have the time to click on a link, I'll repost my comments on vaccination and GWS for you Clayton.

Gulf War Syndrome and Vaccination:

http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/adjuvants/squalene/Jun_2006/en/index.html

A link between the health problems of Gulf-War veterans and possible presence of squalene in vaccines received by these soldiers has been suggested. One published report has suggested that some army veterans who received anthrax vaccines developed anti-squalene antibodies and that these antibodies caused disabilities. However, squalene was not added to the vaccines administered to these veterans, nor was it used in the manufacturing process. Various papers have been published outlining the technical deficiencies in that original report.
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One published report (just one) made the suggestion. However, that report was wrong and papers were published pointing out how flawed the original report was. The committee concluded that fears of squalene in vaccines inducing "pathological anti-squalene antibodies" were unfounded.

See also http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20206873 ("...neither the presence of anti-squalene antibodies nor their titre is significantly increased by immunization with vaccines containing squalene (or MF59) as an adjuvant.")

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15386719 ("Variations in the frequency or severity (as judged by hospitalization and/or loss of duty) of reported AEs did not suggest a significant problem with (1) a particular lot of AVA, (2) recurrent AEs after multiple doses or (3) vaccination of persons with a concomitant illness or those given other vaccines or medications.")

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12062677 ("No squalene has been detected in any lot. The results of these analyses provide direct evidence for the absence of squalene as an ingredient or a manufacturing contaminant in Anthrax Vaccine Adsorbed.")

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16762524 ("The overall results of this investigation provide direct evidence for the absence of squalene in nearly all of anthrax vaccine preparations tested.")

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19379786 ("We found no association between squalene antibody status and chronic multisymptom illness (p=0.465). The etiology of Gulf War syndrome remains unknown, but should not include squalene antibody status.")
 
Matthew Ellard said:
Clayton. You didn't read the link. It proves you wrong (again)


"Squalene's use as an adjuvant in vaccines. Immunologic adjuvants are substances, administered in conjunction with a vaccine",
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Clayton Moore said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene
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Um Clayton, read your own link and tell us that squalene is in any vaccine used in the U.S. and military. It just started limited use in some flu vaccines distributed in the EU and that is it.

Este
 
dafydd said:
You've done it again. Posting a link that proves you wrong. Why do you persist in this behaviour? Do you ever read the links all the way through before you post?
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He once posted and quoted a Wikipedia page that directly contradicted him, then tried to pretend he hadn't and the page supported him. I'd still like to know what he was getting at.
 
Clayton Moore said:
You people don't get it. That's sad. Measles is not polio. Mumps is not polio.

Getting 8 vaccines in one day as an infant or a toddler is insane.


Veteran servicemen are leaving the military, giving up their career and pension security rather get the Anthrax vaccine. And the government and you people are saying the Anthrax vaccine is safe?
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Good, anti vax nuts are usually nuts about other things so it's good they're leaving.
 
jdc324 said:
Seeing as you keep bringing it up time and again, but don't seem to have the time to click on a link, I'll repost my comments on vaccination and GWS for you Clayton.

Gulf War Syndrome and Vaccination:

http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/committee/topics/adjuvants/squalene/Jun_2006/en/index.html



One published report (just one) made the suggestion. However, that report was wrong and papers were published pointing out how flawed the original report was. The committee concluded that fears of squalene in vaccines inducing "pathological anti-squalene antibodies" were unfounded.

See also http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20206873 ("...neither the presence of anti-squalene antibodies nor their titre is significantly increased by immunization with vaccines containing squalene (or MF59) as an adjuvant.")

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15386719 ("Variations in the frequency or severity (as judged by hospitalization and/or loss of duty) of reported AEs did not suggest a significant problem with (1) a particular lot of AVA, (2) recurrent AEs after multiple doses or (3) vaccination of persons with a concomitant illness or those given other vaccines or medications.")

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12062677 ("No squalene has been detected in any lot. The results of these analyses provide direct evidence for the absence of squalene as an ingredient or a manufacturing contaminant in Anthrax Vaccine Adsorbed.")

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16762524 ("The overall results of this investigation provide direct evidence for the absence of squalene in nearly all of anthrax vaccine preparations tested.")

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19379786 ("We found no association between squalene antibody status and chronic multisymptom illness (p=0.465). The etiology of Gulf War syndrome remains unknown, but should not include squalene antibody status.")
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Rarely have so many queued up to explain why nonsense is nonsense.

You gotta love the voluminous retaliation to what is ridiculed as nonsense.

It's like the verbosity that spews when a nerve is touched(a person's lie is exposed).


The vaccine lie is worth trillions. No lie is too big, no far fetched explanation too arduous to protect trillions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squalene
Squalene is used in cosmetics, and more recently as an immunologic adjuvant in vaccines.
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zooterkin said:
Not to mention that it also says, "However, the Food and Drug Administration has not authorized the use of such adjuvants in the United States."
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Really?

Adjuvants


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunologic_adjuvant
Adjuvants have been whimsically called the dirty little secret of vaccines[4] in the scientific community. This dates from the early days of commercial vaccine manufacture, when significant variations in the effectiveness of different batches of the same vaccine were observed, correctly assumed to be due to contamination of the reaction vessels. However, it was soon found that more scrupulous attention to cleanliness actually seemed to reduce the effectiveness of the vaccines, and that the contaminants – "dirt" – actually enhanced the immune response. There are many known adjuvants in widespread use, including oils, aluminium salts, and virosomes.
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Clayton Moore said:
Ron Paul is a doctor.
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Why, yes he is! A gynecologist, no less.

A link to his Doctoring Licence please? Or the last one he had to practice.

I do like my doctors to be up to date.
 
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Clayton Moore said:
Rarely have so many queued up to explain why nonsense is nonsense.

You gotta love the voluminous retaliation to what is ridiculed as nonsense.

It's like the verbosity that spews when a nerve is touched(a person's lie is exposed).
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You mean like your usual walls o' text and links to pages that directly contradict you, which you would know if you actually read *all* of those pages for comprehension?

For example your Wiki reference to squalene explicitly states
It has also been determined that the anthrax vaccines given to those US military personnel did not use squalene as an adjuvant.
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moving on...
Clayton Moore said:
The vaccine lie is worth trillions. No lie is too big, no far fetched explanation too arduous to protect trillions.
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You make trillions posting lies about vaccines?

Do tell...
Clayton Moore said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunologic_adjuvant
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I see no reference to squalene in that article.

Care to try again? We could use the LOLs...
 
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