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The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

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Excerpt from Ama's new bodice-ripper Fifty Shades of Stupid?
 
pakeha said:
Thanks, PC!
Here's the Google translation;


I've never been able to take numerology seriously, myself.
It all seems so arbitrary.
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@pakeha, #617

Thanks, pakeha, for introducing me to automatic translation by Google. That will facilitate my translating to English of many messages of Ama. Part 3 of Panambitan is where I picked up the year when Jesus was crucified and died – 1 BC. So, August 17, 1 BC. From there, I checked the accounts in the Holy Bible.

What I am presenting is not numerology but scientific. Did you know that the Greeks had a numeral system also? The Roman numerals are just using a few letters of their alphabet. So I=1, V=5, X=10, L=50, C=100, D=500, M=1000. The Greeks had the Ionic Greek Ciphered Numeral System wherein each of the letters in the Greek alphabet corresponds to a value. The name of Jesus in Greek is ΙΗΣΟΥΣ. Substituting the values and adding them up totalled 888. 10+8+200+70+400+200=888.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
@pakeha, #617

Thanks, pakeha, for introducing me to automatic translation by Google. That will facilitate my translating to English of many messages of Ama. Part 3 of Panambitan is where I picked up the year when Jesus was crucified and died – 1 BC. So, August 17, 1 BC. From there, I checked the accounts in the Holy Bible.
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Great. So we can expect more of this rubbish, yes?

PeaceCrusader said:
What I am presenting is not numerology but scientific. Did you know that the Greeks had a numeral system also? The Roman numerals are just using a few letters of their alphabet. So I=1, V=5, X=10, L=50, C=100, D=500, M=1000. The Greeks had the Ionic Greek Ciphered Numeral System wherein each of the letters in the Greek alphabet corresponds to a value. The name of Jesus in Greek is ΙΗΣΟΥΣ. Substituting the values and adding them up totalled 888. 10+8+200+70+400+200=888.
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Not numerology, but numerology? What you are presenting is exactly numerology. Why are you pretending it is not numerology when it plainly is numerology?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
@pakeha, #617

Thanks, pakeha, for introducing me to automatic translation by Google. That will facilitate my translating to English of many messages of Ama. Part 3 of Panambitan is where I picked up the year when Jesus was crucified and died – 1 BC. So, August 17, 1 BC. From there, I checked the accounts in the Holy Bible.

What I am presenting is not numerology but scientific. Did you know that the Greeks had a numeral system also? The Roman numerals are just using a few letters of their alphabet. So I=1, V=5, X=10, L=50, C=100, D=500, M=1000. The Greeks had the Ionic Greek Ciphered Numeral System wherein each of the letters in the Greek alphabet corresponds to a value. The name of Jesus in Greek is ΙΗΣΟΥΣ. Substituting the values and adding them up totalled 888. 10+8+200+70+400+200=888.
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Equating numerology with science is not only wrong, it's embarassing that you even think they're in the same proximity. You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting such a distortion.
 
Can I be the God of mending stuff by switching it off and back on again? I'm already getting paid to do that. Might as well be worshipped too.
 
Notable findings (Part 3 of 3)

Here is the second part of a list of notable findings in the study:

15. Passover was held using a purely lunar calendar.
16. Passover was retrogressing through the seasons during ancient times and the time of Jesus because Passover was in the purely lunar calendar.
17. Jesus was crucified after, not during, the Passover Festival or the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pesach).
18. Jesus was in the tomb for three days and three nights (Matthew 12:40, 16:4; Luke 11:29; Jonah 1:17).
19. Jesus resurrected on the present Sunday (Gregorian).
20. The seventh day of the week is observed as Sabbath. The Sabbath of the Jews is from sunset of Friday to sunset of Saturday. The Sabbath of the followers of Jesus was from sunset of Saturday to sunset of Sunday.
21. Sabbath does not refer to the Saturday Sabbath only but also to designated holy days, such as New Moon Festival (Rosh Hodesh), Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur), New Year’s Day (Rosh Hashanah), the first and eighth days of the Festival of Tabernacles (Sukkoth), the first and the seventh day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pesach), and the Harvest Festival (Shavuoth).
22. The followers of Jesus were observing a Sunday Sabbath even when Jesus was still alive.
23. The first day of the week of the followers of Jesus is Monday, the day after their Sabbath day.
24. The sepulcher was found empty on Monday morning.
25. Jesus ascended to Heaven on the eve of the start of the Festival of Tabernacles (Acts 1:12).
26. The Festival of Tabernacles or In-gathering or Booths or Shelters (Sukkoth) was fixed from the 15th to the 22nd of Tishri of the Jewish lunisolar civil calendar. This Festival is held sometime in September/October.
27. The speaking in tongues happened during the Festival of Tabernacles and not at Pentecost or Feast of Weeks or Harvest Festival (Shavuoth) (Acts 2:1), neatly agreeing with the Holy Bible from crucifixion to ascension.
28. The Israelites had a summer and a winter trading schedule. The summer trading was from morning till noon, closed from noon till 4pm, resumed from about 4 pm until about half an hour or an hour after sunset. The winter trading was from morning till before sunset. On Preparation day before a Sabbath, it was from morning till noon only whether it was summer or winter.
29. The year 4 AD was indeed a leap year.
30. The present calendar’s year is the number of years from the crucifixion and death of Jesus, and not from His birth.
31. BC and AD in the present Gregorian calendar means Before Christ and anno Domini, respectively. Later, in the Aristean calendar, BC will become BCJ, and AD as ADJ. BCJ means Before Crucifixion of Jesus Christ (in the Aristean calendar) and ADJ means After Death of Jesus Christ (in the Aristean calendar).
32. The revelation of the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ was crucified and died on August 17 is true and correct.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Notable findings (Part 3 of 3)

Here is the second part of a list of notable findings in the study:

15. Passover was held using a purely lunar calendar.Even if true, so what?
16. Passover was retrogressing through the seasons during ancient times and the time of Jesus because Passover was in the purely lunar calendar.Even if true, so what?
17. Jesus was crucified after, not during, the Passover Festival or the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pesach).Even if true, so what
18. Jesus was in the tomb for three days and three nights (Matthew 12:40, 16:4; Luke 11:29; Jonah 1:17).You have claimed the bible is in error. Quoting the babble does not therefore help you.
19. Jesus resurrected on the present Sunday (Gregorian).Nope. You have shown the babble to be in error. This is just another babble error
20. The seventh day of the week is observed as Sabbath. The Sabbath of the Jews is from sunset of Friday to sunset of Saturday. The Sabbath of the followers of Jesus was from sunset of Saturday to sunset of Sunday.Is it? I dont. Nor do most here.
21. Sabbath does not refer to the Saturday Sabbath only but also to designated holy days, such as New Moon Festival (Rosh Hodesh), Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur), New Year’s Day (Rosh Hashanah), the first and eighth days of the Festival of Tabernacles (Sukkoth), the first and the seventh day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pesach), and the Harvest Festival (Shavuoth).Why should I care about your supersticious days? Why?
22. The followers of Jesus were observing a Sunday Sabbath even when Jesus was still alive.No they were not.
23. The first day of the week of the followers of Jesus is Monday, the day after their Sabbath day.First day of the week is Friday, prove me wrong.
24. The sepulcher was found empty on Monday morning.Was it? Who found it so? Even your holey babble cannot decide.
25. Jesus ascended to Heaven on the eve of the start of the Festival of Tabernacles (Acts 1:12).Did he? Witnesses and evidence please.
26. The Festival of Tabernacles or In-gathering or Booths or Shelters (Sukkoth) was fixed from the 15th to the 22nd of Tishri of the Jewish lunisolar civil calendar. This Festival is held sometime in September/October.And christmas is not far off. So?
27. The speaking in tongues happened during the Festival of Tabernacles and not at Pentecost or Feast of Weeks or Harvest Festival (Shavuoth) (Acts 2:1), neatly agreeing with the Holy Bible from crucifixion to ascension.Just because you say so does not make it true.
28. The Israelites had a summer and a winter trading schedule. The summer trading was from morning till noon, closed from noon till 4pm, resumed from about 4 pm until about half an hour or an hour after sunset. The winter trading was from morning till before sunset. On Preparation day before a Sabbath, it was from morning till noon only whether it was summer or winter.Why should I care how 2000 year old jews organised their day?
29. The year 4 AD was indeed a leap year.Even if true, so what
30. The present calendar’s year is the number of years from the crucifixion and death of Jesus, and not from His birth.Even if true, so what. You cannot even show that he existed.
31. BC and AD in the present Gregorian calendar means Before Christ and anno Domini, respectively. Later, in the Aristean calendar, BC will become BCJ, and AD as ADJ. BCJ means Before Crucifixion of Jesus Christ (in the Aristean calendar) and ADJ means After Death of Jesus Christ (in the Aristean calendar).Utter drivel. What does BCE stand for? Do you even know?
32. The revelation of the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ was crucified and died on August 17 is true and correct.Big claim, no evidence, as usual.
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A crock of wrong as usual.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Notable findings (Part 3 of 3)

Here is the second part of a list of notable findings in the study:
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When you say "findings", that sort of implies that there was a method here, and a gathering of data, and these are the conclusions.

We haven't seen much of the calculation that would support calling these things "findings". On your web page, I saw things that were statements, but there wasn't any particular support for any of them.

Let's take the first one from this list as an example.

15. Passover was held using a purely lunar calendar.
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If this were a "finding", I would expect to see discussion about our various sources regarding when Passover was held, and then a statement regarding how those could only be true if Passover was held based on a lunar calendar, and sometimes occurring in different parts of the year.


Instead, the only support offered for this "finding",is that you want it to be true, and it has to be true in order to fit the August 17 crucifixion date.

Oh, and there's that letter from Constantine, saying that Jews sometimes celebrate Passover twice in one year. Of course, there's a perfectly boring explanation for why that is, based on the fact that some Jews do in fact celebrate Passover twice in one year.

Meanwhile, the Mishnah, written before the time of Constantine, and before Jewish calendar reform, says that Passover was in Nisan. It doesn't say "the first month". It says Nisan. The idea that Passover was only moved out of the lunar calendar at the time of calendar reform is firmly refuted by the Mishnah. I suppose, though, that any Christian willing to ignore the Bible would be more than happy to also ignore the Mishnah.

Meanwhile, though, there are also lots of documents referring to how Christians ought to celebrate Easter, and several of those documents refer to how the Jews celebrate Passover, and it doesn't move around the year. All of those are pre Constantine and pre calendar reform, but you ignore those, too.
 
Astreja said:
And, using Aristeo's own criterion from the Olympalypse thread that only a True God can prophesy, I hereby promote everyone but Aristeo to honourary True Gods™. :D

Please choose Your magisteria wisely. I suggest appointing Yourselves to be in charge of Things That Happen Without Any Need for Divine Intervention. (Works for Me.)
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Oh, can I be the Goddess Of The Glowing Sunsets That Make You All Warm And Happy Inside?
 
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Meadmaker said:
When you say "findings", that sort of implies that there was a method here, and a gathering of data, and these are the conclusions.

We haven't seen much of the calculation that would support calling these things "findings". On your web page, I saw things that were statements, but there wasn't any particular support for any of them.

Let's take the first one from this list as an example.


If this were a "finding", I would expect to see discussion about our various sources regarding when Passover was held, and then a statement regarding how those could only be true if Passover was held based on a lunar calendar, and sometimes occurring in different parts of the year.


Instead, the only support offered for this "finding",is that you want it to be true, and it has to be true in order to fit the August 17 crucifixion date.

Oh, and there's that letter from Constantine, saying that Jews sometimes celebrate Passover twice in one year. Of course, there's a perfectly boring explanation for why that is, based on the fact that some Jews do in fact celebrate Passover twice in one year.

Meanwhile, the Mishnah, written before the time of Constantine, and before Jewish calendar reform, says that Passover was in Nisan. It doesn't say "the first month". It says Nisan. The idea that Passover was only moved out of the lunar calendar at the time of calendar reform is firmly refuted by the Mishnah. I suppose, though, that any Christian willing to ignore the Bible would be more than happy to also ignore the Mishnah.

Meanwhile, though, there are also lots of documents referring to how Christians ought to celebrate Easter, and several of those documents refer to how the Jews celebrate Passover, and it doesn't move around the year. All of those are pre Constantine and pre calendar reform, but you ignore those, too.
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@Meadmaker, #631

In the first place, I was trying to show that the Holy Bible accounts prove that the revelation of the spirit of Ama that Jesus Christ was crucified and died on August 17 is true and correct. I have shown on Table 2 of http://aristean.org/speaktongue.htm where the Passover date was relative to August 17, 1 BC using the calendar conversion programs of Alan Corre and Timothy Forsythe.

You will note that Jesus could not had been crucified and died on any day of the week except a Thursday. August 17, 1 BC was a Thursday. Between AD 20 and AD 40 where Jesus was allegedly was crucified, there is not a single Nisan 14 that falls on a Thursday.
 
abaddon said:
A crock of wrong as usual.
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So what? I was trying to show that the August 17 crucifixion of Jesus that the spirit of Ama revealed is true and correct based on the accounts in the Holy Bible. More than 30 findings. If any of these would negate August 17, 1 BC, then whatever proofs I show will not hold water anymore. What I suggest is that you pick anything that you think is wrong and we will discuss it.
 
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OK, I pick your claim that these are 'findings' when they appear in fact to be unsupported assertions. How about that for a kickoff?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
So what? I was trying to show that the August 17 crucifixion of Jesus that the spirit of Ama revealed is true and correct based on the accounts in the Holy Bible. More than 30 findings. If any of these would negate August 17, 1 BC, then whatever proofs I show will not hold water anymore. What I suggest is that you pick anything that you think is wrong and we will discuss it.
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I really enjoyed watching the Olympics this summer.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
What I suggest is that you pick anything that you think is wrong and we will discuss it.
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OK, how about this piece of circular reasoning: while "trying to show that the August 17 crucifixion of Jesus that the spirit of Ama revealed is true and correct based on the accounts in the Holy Bible" you claim that "Jesus was not actually crucified during the Passover Festival because the Holy Spirit revealed that Jesus was crucified on August 17, 1 BC"
 
Jack by the hedge said:
OK, I pick your claim that these are 'findings' when they appear in fact to be unsupported assertions. How about that for a kickoff?
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You say that my findings are unsupported assertions. Let us take Passover, for example. It is held on the fourteenth day of the first month. When did this happen between 2 BC and 35 AD? If you say that the first month is Nisan and the year was 33 AD, then using the calendar converter of either Alan Corre or Timothy Forsythe, Nisan 14 in 33 AD was in the year 3793. Nisan 14, 3793 was a Friday. Do you accept that Jesus was crucified on a Friday?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Notable findings (Part 3 of 3)

Here is the second part of a list of notable findings in the study:
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27. The speaking in tongues happened during the Festival of Tabernacles and not at Pentecost or Feast of Weeks or Harvest Festival (Shavuoth) (Acts 2:1), neatly agreeing with the Holy Bible from crucifixion to ascension.
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What part of the following text do you not understand?

The Bible said:
When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.
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