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What's your theory about 9/11?

How did you gather I support SC? I oppose it, hence looking for evidence it's bunk.

No one is buying that now, you're a great example of the fake "just asking questions" poster that makes it difficult for genuine people that really are just curious.

Your argument for why the debunkings was invalid was that there are forums out there with people that still believe in SC.
 
Allowed? Where is your Pulitzer? lol SPAM attack again. Can't you answer your own questions?

Are you trying to get on topic? What are you doing to free KSM? Oh, you are convicting him.

As I said before:

If you have any valid objection to the accuracy of anything in my prior post please point it out. With all due respect, since you did not it is clear that your post is nothing but a snarky uniformed opinion that lacks any connection to any intelligent thought or to any factual information. Unfortunately the fact that you attack the prior post with nothing but unintelligent rambling and the lack of any facts from official US sources to back up your post just goes to show the complete bankruptcy of your ideas to rebut this post.

Again as I stated before, if you really wish to present an intelligent rebuttal, please go the official US documents I have used and find any information that you think can rebut my post. You can start with the DOJ IG report, see pages 295-310 and then the article in the New Yorker July 10-17 2006, the account of FBI Agent Ali Soufan by Lawrence Wright, and the defense exhibits from the Moussaoui trial, particularly DE 939.

I have already posted the exact page numbers with the exact document that I had used to find the facts that I had presented in my post. The DOJ IG report is written with aliases to hide the real identity of the people in this report. But Dina Corsi, is aka Donna, Tom Wilshire is aka John, Steve Bongardt is aka Scott, and Rod Middleton is aka Rob. Ali Soufan has no alias as he is almost never mentioned in the DOJ IG report. It is clear that almost every mention of Soufan was left out of the DOJ IG report to hide the CIA criminal culpability in not only allowing the Cole bombing to take place but also the attacks on 9/11 to take place.

And yes I can answer my own questions, but I posted these questions to see if people in this forum could think for themselves, and clearly you could not.

Here are the answers to my questions.

So why had this horrific information been kept secret for 11 years?

The CIA did not want the American people to ever know that they had photographed Khalid Sheikh Mohamed at this Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting when they knew he had a 2 million dollar FBI reward on his head for the Bojinka plot to place bombs on US airliners. This information is perhaps one of the most closely guarded secrets at the CIA. To date only one single official US government document has ever surfaced that contained this horrific information.

What US official document does this information now appear in?

This information appeared for the very first time in the Gitmo charge sheet for Hambali, the famous Indonesian JI terrorist. This document says the prisoner KU10024 had stayed at the condominium where the January 5-8 al Qaeda planning meeting had taken place with Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi. Prisoner KU 10024 is Khalid Sheikh Mohamed. See http://www.wikileaks.ch/gitmo/prisoner/10019.html

And what large US main stream media organization did this information go to?

This Gitmo information had been release by Wikileaks and sent to the New York Times in May 2011,

And why did this large US main stream media organization not report this information to the American people?

The New York Times did report that they had these Gitmo documents but never released the fact that Khalid Sheikh Mohamed had been at Kuala Lumpur and had been photographed and identified by the CIA at this al Qaeda meeting. This information proves that the CIA had actually photographed Khalid Sheikh Mohamed as he planned the attack on 9/11, knew that Khalid Sheikh Mohamed had planned the Bojinka plot to hijack many large commercial aircraft inside of the US and crash these into symbolic targets in the US including the Works Trade Center Towers, the Pentagon and The Capital building along with others. Yet they inexplicably allowed Khalid Sheikh Mohamed to walk away from this Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting and carry out this second part of the Bojinka plot. The CIA even admitted that they knew this meeting had been held to allow the al Qaeda terrorists to plan new attacks on the US. The New York Times either did not realize the significance of the fact that Khalid Sheikh Mohamed had been at Kuala Lumpur, a highly doubtful assumption, or to protect the CIA and the people at the CIA who had ultimately allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place.

And finally what does this horrific information tell us about the CIA?

This information tells us that the CIA had must have had a massive contempt and disdain for the FBI, that had allowed them to completely disregard any consideration for the safety of the American people. All of the people at this Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda terrorist planning meeting were connected to the east African bombings, a connection that would have allowed the FBI to arrest everyone of these people. Yet the CIA after photographing all of the people at this meeting and identifiing Khalid Sheikh Mohamed, Khalid al-Mihdhar and later Nawaf al-Hazmi, let them walk away to carry out the attacks on the USS Cole and the attacks on 9/11. When the CIA had positively identified Walid bin Attash at this meeting and had been told by the FBI that bin Attash was thought to be the master mind of the Cole bombing, they started a massive wide ranging criminal conspiracy to keep this Kuala Lumpur information secret from the FBI Cole bombing investigators, a major Federal crime of withhold material information from an ongoing FBI criminal investigation into the murder of 17 US sailors.

When FBI Agent Ali Soufan sent a request to the CIA in April 2001, asking for information the CIA had on Walid bin Attash, and any al Qaeda planning meeting in Kuala Lumpur in January 2000, the CIA was so concerned that these FBI investigators had uncovered the information that the CIA had been trying to keep secret, the fact that bin Attash had been at the Kuala Lumpur meeting planning the Cole bombing with Mihdhar and Hazmi, that they moved one of their key managers, Tom Wilshire, over to the FBI to spy on the Cole bombing investigators and find out what they knew about this meeting. Wilshire asked FBI HQ Agent Dina Corsi to set up a meeting with the CIA, FBI HQ and the FBI Cole bombing investigators to find out what these investigators had found out about the Kuala Lumpur meeting. This was the meeting in New York City held on June 11, 2001.

One month later in July 2001, when Wilshire realized that bin Attash was major league killer that had been part of the Cole bombing and the east African bombings, and realized that the people at the Kuala Lumpur meeting were connected to the warnings of a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack just about to take place inside of the US, he requested permission twice from his CIA mangers, Blee, Black, and Tenet, to turn over the Kuala Lumpur information to the FBI Cole bombing investigators. Both if his requests were denied.

But the horror story of all horror stories is when FBI Agent Margaret Gillespie, a FBI agent working at the CIA bin Laden unit, discovered that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US on August 22, 2001 and took this information to Wilshire and Corsi, Corsi and Wilshire conspired to keep this information away from FBI Agent Steve Bongardt, FBI Agent Ali Soufan's assistant in New York City, when both Corsi and Wilshire knew that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing.

When Bongardt found out on August 28, 2001 that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US, by accidentally getting Corsi’s EC to start an intelligence investigation for Mihdhar and Hazmi, Corsi and her boss Rod Middleton illegally shut down Bongardt’s investigation. Wilshire, Corsi, and Middleton along with Wilshire’s CIA managers, Blee, Black and Tenet all knew that by shutting down the one criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi that could have allowed the FBI to prevented the al Qaeda terrorists attack that both the FBI HQ and the CIA had been warned about since April 2001, would allow the al Qaeda terrorists to murder thousands of Americans.

Yet they all continued to allow Corsi and Middleton to block Bongardt’s investigation. The CIA had become so criminally corrupt including almost all of its top managers that they allowed Corsi and Middleton under the direct supervision of former CIA manager Tom Wilshire, to shut down Bongardt's criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi, before Bongardt found the photo of Walid bin Attash taken at Kuala Lumpur. The CIA and FBI HQ realized that if Bongardt found this photo of bin Attash at Kuala Lumpur, he would have immediately realized that the CIA and FBI HQ had criminally obstructed his and Soufan's investigation into the Cole bombing numerous times. The people at CIA and FBI HQ allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place to keep themselves out of Federal prison for having criminally obstructed the Cole bombing investigation numerous times. They tragically put staying out of prison as more important than protecting the American people. And what is even more horrific is that the Joint Inquiry on 9/11 and the 9/11 Commission then covered over these criminal actions at the CIA and FBI HQ that had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place.
 
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Such as making up nonsense about a "patriot flyover" without a scrap of evidence to indicate that was the plan,

The evidence that that was their plan is:
1. They were originally directed straight to NYC.
2.They were EXPECTED to fly no faster than Max Subsonic.
3.They were not redirected until after they demonstrated they were going to fly faster than expected "in the air BEFORE the radar kicked in" Etc.
4.Their arrive time in NYC (had they followed protocol & flown straight to NYC) would have had them arriving just as the initial shock of the second impact was wearing off and all those thousands of people looking up would then see a pair of F15s fly by and think,"oh,they just missed".
That's how the numbers crunch. I'm just taking the known facts and drawing the logical conclusions.
 
The evidence that that was their plan is:
1. They were originally directed straight to NYC.
2.They were EXPECTED to fly no faster than Max Subsonic.
3.They were not redirected until after they demonstrated they were going to fly faster than expected "in the air BEFORE the radar kicked in" Etc.
4.Their arrive time in NYC (had they followed protocol & flown straight to NYC) would have had them arriving just as the initial shock of the second impact was wearing off and all those thousands of people looking up would then see a pair of F15s fly by and think,"oh,they just missed".
That's how the numbers crunch. I'm just taking the known facts and drawing the logical conclusions.
What bunch of anti-government claptrap. Is it easy to make up fantasy? Better roll out your Constitutional stuff. How you are doing the job of a patriot, spreading nonsense. Is this how McVeigh got started?
 
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The evidence that that was their plan is:
1. They were originally directed straight to NYC.
2.They were EXPECTED to fly no faster than Max Subsonic.
3.They were not redirected until after they demonstrated they were going to fly faster than expected "in the air BEFORE the radar kicked in" Etc.
4.Their arrive time in NYC (had they followed protocol & flown straight to NYC) would have had them arriving just as the initial shock of the second impact was wearing off and all those thousands of people looking up would then see a pair of F15s fly by and think,"oh,they just missed".
That's how the numbers crunch. I'm just taking the known facts and drawing the logical conclusions.

That's right. Ignore the entire rest of my post to focus on a sentence fragment. And you still haven't explained how the patsy pilots would know the hijackers would be using planes as weapons and to respond accordingly. Your theories are based on the assumption that there was a conspiracy. It's affirming the consequent.
 
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The evidence that that was their plan is:
1. They were originally directed straight to NYC.
2.They were EXPECTED to fly no faster than Max Subsonic.
3.They were not redirected until after they demonstrated they were going to fly faster than expected "in the air BEFORE the radar kicked in" Etc.
4.Their arrive time in NYC (had they followed protocol & flown straight to NYC) would have had them arriving just as the initial shock of the second impact was wearing off and all those thousands of people looking up would then see a pair of F15s fly by and think,"oh,they just missed".
That's how the numbers crunch. I'm just taking the known facts and drawing the logical conclusions.
When were they "directed straight into NYC ("C" being city)? What "protocol" are you referring to? :confused:
 
That's how the numbers crunch. I'm just taking the known facts and drawing the logical conclusions.

No, you are drawing conclusions, then cherry-picking what you like to make it fit the conclusion, ignoring everything else and relying heavily on ignorance of how the military operates to make it seem logical to you.
 
United States.

(15) "United States" means -

(A) a Federal corporation;

(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity

of the United States; or

(C) an instrumentality of the United States.

http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/...USC):CITE AND (USC w/10 (3002)):CITE

The federal corporation known as the united states (according to uscode) will not give a care as a corporation is owned by shareholders, not the people.

For the people by the people is so horribly incorrect it's pathetic. Beachnut rofl.

Pretty sure no one here cares either Paloalto.

Good job though.

Thanks for your post, Cecil1
 
United States.

(15) "United States" means -

(A) a Federal corporation;

(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity

of the United States; or

(C) an instrumentality of the United States.

http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/...USC):CITE AND (USC w/10 (3002)):CITE

The federal corporation known as the united states (according to uscode) will not give a care as a corporation is owned by shareholders, not the people.

For the people by the people is so horribly incorrect it's pathetic. Beachnut rofl.

Pretty sure no one here cares either Paloalto.

Good job though.

Say Cecil, can you explain what this means: "As used in this chapter:"
 
The evidence that that was their plan is:
1. They were originally directed straight to NYC.
2.They were EXPECTED to fly no faster than Max Subsonic.
3.They were not redirected until after they demonstrated they were going to fly faster than expected "in the air BEFORE the radar kicked in" Etc.
4.Their arrive time in NYC (had they followed protocol & flown straight to NYC) would have had them arriving just as the initial shock of the second impact was wearing off and all those thousands of people looking up would then see a pair of F15s fly by and think,"oh,they just missed".
That's how the numbers crunch. I'm just taking the known facts and drawing the logical conclusions.

1. No they weren’t.

2. Just who was it that EXPECTED them to fly no faster than “Max Subsonic”?

3. You do have something to substantiate this statement… correct?

4. This is just pure bunk.

Crunching numbers doesn’t involve cherry picking, taking things out of context, or just plain BS’ing.
 
paloalto's information is not made up. The information can be found in publicly released reports as cited a million times.

You could also read Lawrence Wright's book, The Looming Tower.
 
paloalto's information is not made up. The information can be found in publicly released reports as cited a million times.

You could also read Lawrence Wright's book, The Looming Tower.
No one ever said he did make up the information. What he has done is drawn conclusions from this information that can not be substantiated. You do know the difference?
 
No one ever said he did make up the information. What he has done is drawn conclusions from this information that can not be substantiated. You do know the difference?

There is a hurricane named Sandy off the East Coast. There have been experiments in weather control. Therefore, Sandy is a product of weather control technology.

Everything I just typed is true, except my conclusion. It's much like that.
 
paloalto's information is not made up. The information can be found in publicly released reports as cited a million times.

You could also read Lawrence Wright's book, The Looming Tower.

The Looming Tower is a decent book. Of course, it supports the notion that 9-11 was perpetrated by a terrorist organization and was not an inside job, but you knew that, right?
 
There is a hurricane named Sandy off the East Coast. There have been experiments in weather control. Therefore, Sandy is a product of weather control technology.

Everything I just typed is true, except my conclusion. It's much like that.
If you wouldn't mind, could you steer it a little further east for me? :D
 
paloalto's information is not made up. ...
His conclusion is made up. The bottom line, hogwash.

the 9/11 Commission then covered over these criminal actions at the CIA and FBI HQ that had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place.
Hogwash, Like, "Cheney said shoot down, means stand-down. Does paloalto know the topic? no
 
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Hogwash, Like, "Cheney said shoot down, means stand-down. Does paloalto know the topic? no

I did a google search on the phrase ""shoot down, means stand-down"

Here are the results....

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en....61.61.1.1.0.les;caqth..0.0...1.1.m0TlnPMAjEc

As you can see - the only person on the internet who has ever said that was you attributing it to others.

Does paloalto know the topic? no

He obviously knows more about it than you. BTW- who came in last in your class you or Balsamo?
 
I did a google search on the phrase ""shoot down, means stand-down"

Here are the results....

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en....61.61.1.1.0.les;caqth..0.0...1.1.m0TlnPMAjEc

As you can see - the only person on the internet who has ever said that was you attributing it to others.



He obviously knows more about it than you. BTW- who came in last in your class you or Balsamo?
Try "in a sense yes" with jimd3100, next time. Don't forget use ( "in a sense yes" jimd3100). Good luck with your research in the future.

This is your best attempt at setting KSM free? Do you know the topic? No.

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"Do the orders still stand?" -- Military aide to Vice President Navy Capt. Douglas Cochrane
Was there a stand down on 9-11? In a sense yes, but there is no evidence that a stand down order was issued. There would be no reason for VP Cheney to issue a stand down order, since he issuing a shoot down order, would have the same effect.
Wow, a simple search failed to find the facts - is this a problem you have often? Google on, Google off, lol
 
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This is your best attempt at setting KSM free? Do you know the topic? No.

I don't want him set free, I want him to answer questions in a court of law like why was Fahad Al Thumairy helping his idiot hijacker murderer buddies Mihdar and Hazmi when they got off the plane in L.A. Maybe his buddy Bin Attash might like to take that question as well...frankly there are some other Saudi "friends" of yours I'd like to see take the stand in that court.
 

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