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The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

PeaceCrusader said:
@Agatha, #356

You are right, Agatha, that ‘there is nothing on your [my] web page about the “cross” disappearing.’ Why? Because I have not updated it yet since it occurred. Actually, I have mentioned in a forum that the cross has disappeared when we finally left Campbelltown in 2004.
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Right, so you were in error when you referred to your website being a source where we could find out about this so-called disappearing cross.

PeaceCrusader said:
I even have a letter with me from the Postal Manager about the renovation of the building that they did sometime from 2004-04-30 to 2004-05-02. All our things were finally shipped from the Campbelltown storage shed on 2004-05-07 to the state of Queensland. Coincidence?
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No, not a coincidence from what you have posted, just a couple of uninteresting and unrelated facts.

PeaceCrusader said:
There is a Quercus crucifera mentioned at this web page http://books.google.com.au/books?id...AEwAA#v=onepage&q="Quercus crucifera"&f=false
I do not know how Akuma Tennou knows about the tree, even its scientific name.
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He made it up. Some researcher made a mistake when he referred to this non-existent species in an obscure book. Don't make a further mistake by thinking that the species exists.

PeaceCrusader said:
Would you like me to translate to you what the message of the mp3 file is?
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Really, no.

Meadmaker (mmm, mead) has explained your misconceptions about the calendar in use at the time of the alleged life of Jesus, you are plain wrong about the dates.

Coincidences happen ALL the time, to everyone. None of them is any kind of evidence of a god, of Jesus, or of the veracity of religion.

Off the top of my head, here are some coincidences that have happened in my life:

My father's birthday was on St Andrew's Day (patron saint of Scotland), and he was English.
His second wife was born on St George's Day (patron saint of England), and she was Scottish.

Both of my father's wives had exactly the same first and middle names, and as they took my father's surname on marriage, during their marriages to my father they had exactly the same names.

Both my parents died a week before their respective birthdays, and both their funerals were held on their birthdays (though ten and a half years apart).

In the book 'Moonfleet' by J Meade Faulkener, there are only two dates mentioned - November 3rd and April 16th. One is my birthday, the other is my brother's birthday. Both my brother and I were given copies of the book on the same Christmas, completely independently and from different relatives.

Recently, I sold my house to a woman with the same first and middle names as me.

I could go on, but none of these is interesting to anyone but me. Nor are they proof of anything except the fact that coincidences happen all the time. Similarly, your list of coincidences are just that - coincidences. You've imbued them with a meaning that they do not have.
 
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Astreja said:
:D I had to look it up (and not on Aristeo's site, either!), but yes, there actually is such a thing as a tenor clarinet. And I thought altos and eefers were rare. I think a bass clarinet and about 10 years' lessons, and I'm good.

I am getting worried about some of the, um, feral donkey assertions that Aristeo has been posting. He's admitted to updating his site (an odd thing to do if one already possesses Da Troof, n'est-ce pas?) and despite wanting to "learn" from us I rather suspect he's quote-mining us to provide himself with fresh material.

And I still think we should get a recording of his voice, and the voice of Ka Apaz, and the voice of the alleged "Ama," and do a comparison. For that matter, are there any references to Ka Apaz and/or Ama that aren't on Aristeo's site?
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@Astreja, #380

If you want to hear the spirit of Ama’s voice, there are lots and lots of them by selecting those in http://aristean.org/audioidx.htm and http://aristean.org/mp3-files.htm .

If you want to hear my voice, I would recommend the following: http://aristean.org/b26b-pah1.mp3 and http://aristean.org/b26b-pah2.mp3 and their associated transcriptions at http://aristean.org/transcript007.htm and http://aristean.org/transcript006.htm , respectively. You may see also http://aristean.org/transcriptxxx.htm where xxx = 049, 058, 065, 066, 087, 088, 137.

Regarding Ka Apaz's voice, there are very few of them and short. I can remember http://aristean.org/a05a-mis2.mp3 and its associated transcription at http://aristean.org/transcript106.htm .
 
Thank you, Aristeo. I have downloaded 1 file from each group and will be conducting an analysis on the audio files.
 
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Thanks for the reminder.
I've cast this morning's mead casks into the sea.
The recipients should be pleasantly surprised very soon.


Astreja said:
...I think a bass clarinet and about 10 years' lessons, and I'm good. ... For that matter, are there any references to Ka Apaz and/or Ama that aren't on Aristeo's site?
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Bass clarinet, one of my favourite instruments.

There have been references to 19 predictions that were published in a Philippine newspaper.
 
Blue Mountain said:
An alto and a tenor clarinet? :p
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Astreja said:
:D I had to look it up (and not on Aristeo's site, either!), but yes, there actually is such a thing as a tenor clarinet. And I thought altos and eefers were rare. I think a bass clarinet and about 10 years' lessons, and I'm good.
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Actually, for some strange reason I was thinking "saxophone" when I wrote that line :blush: I blame this weird thread.
 
pakeha said:
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Thanks for the reminder.
I've cast this morning's mead casks into the sea.
The recipients should be pleasantly surprised very soon.




Bass clarinet, one of my favourite instruments.

There have been references to 19 predictions that were published in a Philippine newspaper.
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Mmm ... playing the bass clarinet. Better than sex.



Nearly.
 
Meadmaker said:
Says who?


Huh? There's one day when Jews are encouraged to get drunk. It's Purim.


Close. The counting starts during Passover, not at the beginning or the end.


I don't get it. You would be bummed out, and then elated, and somehow that means Sukkoth instead of Shavuoth. Can you explain this one a bit more clearly?


Is this another Ama thing?
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@Meadmaker, #375

Why should the speaking in tongues be in Tabernacles (Sukkoth) and not in Pentecost (Shavuoth) (Acts 2:1)?
First – the day following the ascension of Jesus to Heaven was the Feast of Tabernacles.
Second – Between Tabernacles and Pentecost, people get drunk at the former (Acts 2:13-15). That is why Peter said that it was still early, the third hour of the day or about 9am, to charge the men to be drunk when speaking in different languages.
Third – If the promised gift of the Spirit does not come after the ascension of Jesus to Heaven, say within three days, they might have departed and charged Jesus to be a false prophet. However, the gift came immediately the day following His ascension. So they became more enthusiastic in their telling people about Jesus.

How would you feel if the promised gift of the Spirit does not come a day after Jesus had left them? You might hope that it may come tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.
How about if after the second day and there is no gift still? Still hoping?
How about if after the third day and there is no gift still? Will you be irritated? What will you think of Jesus who promised the gift? A false prophet?
How about if after the fourth day and there is no gift still? Will you just depart and charge Jesus a liar or are you still hoping?
How about if after the fifth day and there is no gift still? Still hoping?
How about if after the sixth day and there is no gift still? Still hoping?
How about if after the seventh day and there is no gift still?

The spirit of Ama did not say that the Israelites reformed their calendar in 358/359 AD. I learned this in the calendar discussion list that I participate in. Ama just said that Jesus was crucified on August 17. That’s all.

Emperor Constantine wrote a letter addressed to those who were not present at the Council of Nicea (325 AD). He blames the Jews for killing Jesus and how erroneous they were in celebrating Passover at the wrong time. In fact, he even cited that the Jews at times celebrated Passover twice in one year. How come? Because the Romans were using the Julian solar calendar with 365 days in a solar year whereas Passover was in a purely lunar calendar with 354/355 days in a lunar year. So, if Passover was in early January, there maybe another Passover in late December. The letter is found at http://www.fordham.edu/hassal/basis/nicea1.txt .
 
PeaceCrusader said:
How would you feel if the promised gift of the Spirit does not come a day after Jesus had left them? You might hope that it may come tomorrow or the day after tomorrow.
How about if after the second day and there is no gift still? Still hoping?
How about if after the third day and there is no gift still? Will you be irritated? What will you think of Jesus who promised the gift? A false prophet?
How about if after the fourth day and there is no gift still? Will you just depart and charge Jesus a liar or are you still hoping?
How about if after the fifth day and there is no gift still? Still hoping?
How about if after the sixth day and there is no gift still? Still hoping?
How about if after the seventh day and there is no gift still?
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The irony is that you yourself are still proclaiming the powers of a false prophet. Your "Spirit of Ama" has failed miserably as a prophet, yet you still insist that she is the real thing. You yourself are an example of just how someone can continue to insist on the truth of something that proves to be false. Her prophecy failed to happen as she predicted, yet here you are, still enthusiastically telling us about her "gifts".
 
Meadmaker said:
Esther fasted in Nisan. The "Fast of Esther" was never in Nisan.

The Fast of Esther commemorates Esther's fast, but it has never been held on the anniversary of that fast. The Book of Esther records the decree that 14th Adar should be a day of feasting (unless you live in a walled city, in which case it is 15th Adar. At some point, I really have to ask a rabbi if that includes eruvs. Since I live inside an Eruv, should we be celebrating on 15 Adar? Not that it matters much, because we're kind of ultra-reform Jews who don't always even make it to the synagogue for Purim, much less do anything because of an eruv.)

At some point, we don't know when, someone decided that the celebration of Purim was only possible because of Esther's fast, and that, too, should be commemorated, so they put a fast day on the day before Purim, and called it the Fast of Esther. It has never been observed during Nisan.


Kislev can begin any time from early November to early December, making Hanukah start,at the earliest, at the end of November and end, at the latest, in early January. Some portion of Hanukkah always falls in December.

Now if you want to rest your interpretation of prophecy on some insistence that early December is certainly Autumn and certainly not Winter, good luck.

Hanukkah falls at the darkest time of the year. It always includes the period of the new moon closest to the Winter solstice. To my way of thinking, that sounds a lot like Winter.
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@Meadmaker, #374

Jesus was crucified sometime during Passover. My contention is that Passover was in a purely lunar calendar from the departure of the Israelites from Egypt in the 16th century BC till the reformation of the Jewish calendar in 358/359 AD. Together with Passover (14th day of the first month) in the purely lunar calendar, at least, are the Feast of Unleavened Bread (15th-21st day of the first month) and the Feast of the Dedication (15th day of the seventh month).

What did Josephus say regarding the order of King Herod of the burning of Matthias and his companions alive for raising the sedition? It happened on the night before the fast, and that very night, there was an eclipse of the moon (Antiquities, Book XVII, Chapter 6, Section 4).

A lunar eclipse happened during a full moon. Fred Espenak of NASA said that in 33 BC when Jesus was born, there were two lunar eclipses: April 1 and September 25 (Julian calendar dates). I chose April 1 because it is observed in Jerusalem.

What are the Jewish fasts in the 15th of the month? Nothing except the Fast of Esther on Nisan 15. During the reformation of the Jewish calendar, the Fast of Esther was moved to Adar and Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread were placed in Nisan.

Feast of the Dedication should be in Tishri 15 but there is already Tabernacles (Sukkoth) there. So it was moved on Kislev 25 (to compete with Christmas on December 25?).

These prove that the Israelites were using two calendars during the crucifixion of Jesus: a purely lunar calendar and a lunisolar calendar. When they reformed their calendar in 358/359 AD, they incorporated Passover and other feasts in the former to the latter and stopped using it.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
... he even cited that the Jews at times celebrated Passover twice in one year. How come? Because the Romans were using the Julian solar calendar with 365 days in a solar year whereas Passover was in a purely lunar calendar with 354/355 days in a lunar year. So, if Passover was in early January, there maybe another Passover in late December.
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Your assertion that this implies a purely lunar calendar is based on your assumption that the writer is talking about Passover occurring in December or January. But if you consider instead that the writer is referring to the ecclesiastical calendar starting in April, then the passage makes a lot more sense. The use of a different lunisolar claendar would mean that sometimes the Jews would celebrate Passover twice in a period regarded by Christians as being the same liturgical year.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
These prove that the Israelites were using two calendars during the crucifixion of Jesus: a purely lunar calendar and a lunisolar calendar. When they reformed their calendar in 358/359 AD, they incorporated Passover and other feasts in the former to the latter and stopped using it.
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Isis wept, PC, you have zero evidence that such a crucifixion occurred at all, let alone insisting that you know what date on a purely imaginary calendar such an event took place.
 
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