The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

[Akhenaten]

Sorry, she planted seeds many years before she was conceived?

(This was the only point in this post that was not addressed before, I just had to.)

Time certainly does seem to flow differently in the PC Universe, doesn't it?

 

[Multivac]

Also, the cross had no joint. It was all in one piece. On page 138 of “Pasiong Mahal”, its length was 15 feet long and 7 feet across.

This is simply ridiculous. Nobody would use a piece of wood 15' x 7' to make a cross. Where on earth would you find a piece of timber this big? You would cut two lengths of wood and join them togetther, at right angles, with rope or nails.

 

[Recovering Agnostic]

This is simply ridiculous. Nobody would use a piece of wood 15' x 7' to make a cross. Where on earth would you find a piece of timber this big? You would cut two lengths of wood and join them togetther, at right angles, with rope or nails.

Obviously, God created a special sort of tree with exactly these dimensions, to make it easier for the Romans to kill His son, and then magicked it away so that there was no inconvenient evidence floating around.

I have researched this and found it to be logically correct.

 

[aggle-rithm]

5,455 / 72 = 75 scourgings per hour.

Makes "The Passion of the Christ" look tame.

Yes, but Jesus was JUST...THAT...AWESOME.

Seriously, though, it seems like we're really doubling down on the woo in this thread. Is there really much point in continuing...?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Perhaps PC could help us by highlighting any information he posts which was not just something he made up and had 'confirmed' at a seance by 'Ka Apaz'. That would allow us to spot any info that ought not to be automatically ignored as nonsense.

On second thoughts, it's quite possible he's been doing that already.

 

[Akuma Tennou]

This is simply ridiculous. Nobody would use a piece of wood 15' x 7' to make a cross. Where on earth would you find a piece of timber this big? You would cut two lengths of wood and join them togetther, at right angles, with rope or nails.

Did you know that Quercus crucifera is an oak species with only two branches that form a cross with the trunk? Ka Apaz confirmed it, they have no leaves and are only 7ft tall, just enough to pin down on it a 6'8" godly guy

 

[Akhenaten]

Did you know that Quercus crucifera is an oak species with only two branches that form a cross with the trunk? Ka Apaz confirmed it, they have no leaves and are only 7ft tall, just enough to pin down on it a 6'8" godly guy.

Have you researched this and found it to be logically correct? If so I will keep it because it is good for me.

 

[Akuma Tennou]

Have you researched this and found it to be logically correct? If so I will keep it because it is good for me.

yup, i found a logical confirmation of it in the writings of the saint apostle nostradamus, who is said by ka apaz living in the body of a panda in the berlin zoo. he had a good memory of those trees.

 

[Akhenaten]

Did you know the Gregorian Panda was adapted from the Julian Panda during the exile of the Tang Dynasty to the Spratly Islands. This is why the war which will start during the London Olympic Games is beginning in the South China Sea.

 

[Hellbound]

Did you know the Gregorian Panda was adapted from the Julian Panda during the exile of the Tang Dynasty to the Spratly Islands. This is why the war which will start during the London Olympic Games is beginning in the South China Sea.

Of course, the Aztec Panda (reconstructed from fossil evidence) shows signs of a worldwide bamboo shortage this year. There will be no more Pandas soon.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

PC, just read what you yourself have written here. You admit that this (like so much else that this woman told you, including specific prophesies that have failed to materialise) was "utterly ridiculous". There is only one logical conclusion that can be drawn from this fact. Please draw it, forget this absurd woman, and find something more worthwhile to do with your time than continually regurgitating her thoroughly discredited drivel on this thread.

@Pixel42, #255

The reason why I present to you what I heard and learned from the spirit of Ama is to get the other side of the story. It will be me who makes the final decision whether to accept it or not. There are those that I find logically correct that I accept them as true and which you and the others claim to be “utterly ridiculous”. Ama said that it is easier for man to accept what is wrong than what is correct, like the August 17 crucifixion of Jesus which I myself have proven to be true and correct. So I cannot totally ignore the spirit of Ama as many of you suggested. I am responsible for my soul where I want it to live in the hereafter. So I have to scrutinize what have been presented.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

That's a most remarkable story, PC.
Thanks for sharing it with us.

@pakeha, #241

I just found on page 153 in “Pasiong Mahal” the following:
1. That Simon of Cyrene was hired to carry the cross;
2. That Simon of Cyrene was the father of Alexander and Rufa (Mark 15:21); and
3. That Alexander and Rufa were disciples of Jesus (page 153, “Pasiong Mahal”)

If Alexander and Rufa were disciples of Jesus and their father was Simon of Cyrene, then I maybe correct in saying that Simon of Cyrene “must have visited some relatives”. I do not know why Simon was in Cyrene (migrant worker?), or if he was a native of Cyrene, his children Alexander and Rufa must have moved to Jerusalem.

Why were the names of Alexander and Rufa in the Holy Bible? The book “Pasiong Mahal” answers that and tells us that they were disciples of Jesus.

 

[Astreja]

(Springy G comes back from Her walkabout, cracks Her knuckles, and re-enters the fray...)

The reason why I present to you what I heard and learned from the spirit of Ama is to get the other side of the story.

You have the other side of the story, Aristeo.

• We think that your calendar will never be adopted by the world at large.
• We think that you're wrong about the cruciFiction date of Jesus.
• We think that "Ama" is a pretend god made up by a senile Filipina scammer.
• We think that your alleged "proofs" are all nonsense, and we have discarded them as not good for the sanity, let alone any 'soul' that might actually exist.

It will be me who makes the final decision whether to accept it or not.

Well, since you seem to disregard our criticisms at every turn, why not make that "final decision" right now and stop wasting your time (and ours) by posting here?

I am responsible for my soul where I want it to live in the hereafter. So I have to scrutinize what have been presented.

Aristeo, your idea of scrutiny is laughable. You deliberately and stubbornly cling to the blatherings of a false prophet, and you see this as some act of pious goodness that will punch your ticket for a trip to an eternal celestial paradise?

Heeheeheeheehee! I don't think so. I really don't think so.

From where I sit, your fate and Mine are identical in all respects. One hundred years from now, I assert that your physical body and Mine will both be decayed or reduced to ashes; both our brains will be beyond any hope of revival; and both Aristeo and Astreja will forever be insentient and incapable of even knowing that they once existed.

I'm not joking. I believe this with every fiber of My being. Live life now, because this really is your only chance.

 

[Rincewind]

This is simply ridiculous. Nobody would use a piece of wood 15' x 7' to make a cross. Where on earth would you find a piece of timber this big? You would cut two lengths of wood and join them togetther, at right angles, with rope or nails.

Oh no - not more nails?

 

[Loss Leader]

Jesus was not crucified on Passover when there were many people present in Jerusalem because “there [would] be an uproar among the people” (Matthew 26:3-5; Mark 14:1-2; Luke 22:1-2). So they imprisoned Jesus during the festival and after the pilgrims had left the city.

Passover is a holiday, not a festival.

 

[Femke]

Time certainly does seem to flow differently in the PC Universe, doesn't it?

And not only time. I had to re-evaluate everything I thought I knew about iron buoyancy, human body length, Roman and Middle-Eastern history, cadaver storage, calendars, the importance of the Phillipines to world peace, crucifixion-crossmaking, Jewish holidays, headless saints, door stoppers, flogging, you name it and I was wrong about it.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

(Springy G comes back from Her walkabout, cracks Her knuckles, and re-enters the fray...)


You have the other side of the story, Aristeo.

• We think that your calendar will never be adopted by the world at large.
• We think that you're wrong about the cruciFiction date of Jesus.
• We think that "Ama" is a pretend god made up by a senile Filipina scammer.
• We think that your alleged "proofs" are all nonsense, and we have discarded them as not good for the sanity, let alone any 'soul' that might actually exist.

Well, since you seem to disregard our criticisms at every turn, why not make that "final decision" right now and stop wasting your time (and ours) by posting here?


Aristeo, your idea of scrutiny is laughable. You deliberately and stubbornly cling to the blatherings of a false prophet, and you see this as some act of pious goodness that will punch your ticket for a trip to an eternal celestial paradise?

Heeheeheeheehee! I don't think so. I really don't think so.

From where I sit, your fate and Mine are identical in all respects. One hundred years from now, I assert that your physical body and Mine will both be decayed or reduced to ashes; both our brains will be beyond any hope of revival; and both Aristeo and Astreja will forever be insentient and incapable of even knowing that they once existed.

I'm not joking. I believe this with every fiber of My being. Live life now, because this really is your only chance.

@Astreja, #273

Thank you, Astreja, for giving me the other side of the story.

Yes, both our physical bodies will be decayed. Why? Because our bodies are just soil. Inanimate. No life. It will go back to where it came from, as stated in Ecclesiastes 12:7, to wit: “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was”. But there is something that lived in the physical body, and that is the spirit. The verse continues, “and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.” Since you do not believe in the spirit, or God, we differ. I am alive because my spirit is still in my physical body. When it leaves, then the physical body is said to be dead.

The same with Jesus. His physical body was scourged and crucified. John 19:30 states, “and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost (spirit)”. We say that Jesus died because the spirit that was in it left the physical body.

Do you know where Golgotha or Calvary was where Jesus was crucified? It says in John 19:21-22, “Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulcher, wherein was never man yet laid. There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews’ preparation day; for the sepulcher was nigh at hand.”

I would like to answer your other points but we will be off-track.

 

[Akuma Tennou]

@Pixel42, #255

The reason why I present to you what I heard and learned from the spirit of Ama is to get the other side of the story. It will be me who makes the final decision whether to accept it or not. There are those that I find logically correct that I accept them as true and which you and the others claim to be “utterly ridiculous”. Ama said that it is easier for man to accept what is wrong than what is correct, like the August 17 crucifixion of Jesus which I myself have proven to be true and correct. So I cannot totally ignore the spirit of Ama as many of you suggested. I am responsible for my soul where I want it to live in the hereafter. So I have to scrutinize what have been presented.

nope, you need to scrutinise first the credibility of the person who is claiming to be god himself. as the ww3 didn't happen, that's no waste to be overcautious about her. if she's a false prophet you'll go directly to hell. forever.

did you know that all your "proofs" are based on pagan arts (like, well... channeling?) and secular texts? jesus hates possession, the only stories in the bible about possession are always done by demons and finishes on exorcism. he will NEVER talk to humans through that path, that's what demons do as the false prophecy about ww3 demonstrated.

 

[Astreja]

And not only time. I had to re-evaluate everything I thought I knew about iron buoyancy, human body length, Roman and Middle-Eastern history, cadaver storage, calendars, the importance of the Phillipines to world peace, crucifixion-crossmaking, Jewish holidays, headless saints, door stoppers, flogging, you name it and I was wrong about it.

For values of 'wrong' -> 0.

 

[Astreja]

But there is something that lived in the physical body, and that is the spirit. The verse continues, “and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”

Aristeo, why are you quoting the Bible to someone who thinks the Bible is an anthology of superstitious nonsense? How would you like it if I started quoting from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, or Moby Dick, or Lord of the Rings?

I assert that there is no evidence for "the spirit."

Furthermore, our consciousness is dependent upon the frequency of neural oscillations, commonly known as "brainwaves." During some states, such as the alpha and beta wave phases, we are awake. During others, such as the delta wave phase found in deep sleep, we are unconscious. We aren't even dreaming, and are completely unaware that we exist.

If your alleged "spirit" cannot make you aware of yourself when you are in delta wave deep sleep, I predict that once the brain dies and all activity ceases, you are gone forever. You probably won't be in heaven or hell, because there's no evidence that such places ever existed.

Test this out yourself. When you go to sleep at night, try to remain self-aware. I predict that the only way you'll be able to do this consistently is by staying awake, and that "you" will magically disappear every time you go into delta wave sleep. No self-awareness, no eternal spirit.

Unless, of course, you intend to keep your brain alive for eternity and never sleep again...

...Oh, and if the Romans did kill Jesus, he's dead and insentient too and won't be of much help at all to you.