The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

[Agatha]

Has Ka Apaz ever said anything which has been shown to be accurate (other than things she's read in the Bible?) Nothing that PeaceCrusader has reported her saying has been accurate, as far as I can recall.

 

[Akuma Tennou]

Thanks for your reply, PC.
Are you saying the medium never claimed to be channeling Jesus?

ETA
Are you saying you deduced the medium was channeling Jesus?

just like he deduced WW3 was coming from a mere "ummmph"...

 

[Loss Leader]

The festivals, at least, in the lunisolar calendar were Rosh Hashanah (New Year’s Day, Tishri 1), Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement, Tishri 10), and Sukkoth (Feast of Tabernacles, Tishri 15).

None of these are festivals. They're holidays. Holy days are commanded to be observed in the Torah. Everything else is a festival.

 

[Lensman]

Schliemann discovered Troy, so the Iliad is true. So the Olympian gods exist! Anyone want to organise an expedition to find Baker Street?

here

 

[Astreja]

Ka Apaz told you that {Aristeo's calendar system} would be implemented in the year 2001. Too bad that was another of her false prophecies.

Indeed. One cannot set a date and then change one's mind after the event.

Ka Apaz is already proven to be a false prophet. Aristeo, why do you persist in broadcasting her lies?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

PC,
passover always falls on the first full moon after the spring equinox, so no matter how you and your alleged spirit consultation argue, Jesus if crucified was crucified in teh spring. So something like Apr. 6

@Dancing David, #215

You believe that “Passover always falls on the first full moon after the spring equinox” and you say that Jesus was crucified “something like Apr. 6”.

What kind of calendar did the Israelites use before they were exiled to Babylon? Please see Encyclopaedia Britannica, Volume 15, page 465, column 2.

When do you think did the Israelites first use the calendar that they are presently using? This can tell us about the crucifixion of Jesus.

What did the Israelites do in reforming their calendar in 358-359 AD?

The Israelites came out of Egypt where they lived for 430 years. What kind of calendars did the Egyptians use?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Did you know that Jesus Christ was not crucified during Passover? He was crucified more than two weeks after the Passover. Passover was held on the fourteenth day of the first month. He was crucified on the thirtieth of the first month.

From Mark 15:21 – “And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.” This is also in Luke 23:26 and Matthew 27:32.

Where is Cyrene? Why is Simon “coming out of the country” to his way to Jerusalem? About what time was it when Simon met the entourage of Jesus?

 

[Akhenaten]

The Israelites came out of Egypt where they lived for 430 years.

Balderdash.

What kind of calendars did the Egyptians use?

Horuscopes.

 

[Astreja]

Did you know that Jesus Christ was not crucified during Passover?

Got any evidence for this that isn't from your own website?

Where is Cyrene?

Libya.

Why is Simon “coming out of the country” to his way to Jerusalem?

Could be any number of reasons. People travel at all times of year. Perhaps he was nipping into town for some supplies.

About what time was it when Simon met the entourage of Jesus?

Not possible to tell from the quoted text.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Got any evidence for this that isn't from your own website?


Libya.


Could be any number of reasons. People travel at all times of year. Perhaps he was nipping into town for some supplies.


Not possible to tell from the quoted text.

@Astreja, #229

You are correct, Astreja. Cyrene was Libya. So Simon was from Cyrene who went to Jerusalem for a pilgrimage (Exodus 23:15; Deuteronomy 16:16). He was at Jerusalem from the fourteenth to the twenty-first. After the festival, he must have visited some relatives going to the country. On his way back to Jerusalem, he met the entourage of Jesus.

Jesus was crucified on the thirtieth of the first month, 16 days after Passover. Did you know that because He was scourged 5,455 times, the three kilometers from His imprisonment inside Jerusalem at a fort took them three days and three nights to travel. That is why when they met Simon of Cyrene on their way to the crucifixion site, they asked Simon to carry the cross. They hurried up because there were two consecutive days of Sabbath coming (high day Sabbath on Friday and the regular weekly Saturday Sabbath).

Mark 15:25 states: “And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.” What is the third hour? That is 9am. By noon, Longinus lanced the dying Jesus to a certain death. So Simon of Cyrene must have met the entourage of Jesus about 8am and was asked to carry the cross.

Jesus was not crucified on Passover when there were many people present in Jerusalem because “there [would] be an uproar among the people” (Matthew 26:3-5; Mark 14:1-2; Luke 22:1-2). So they imprisoned Jesus during the festival and after the pilgrims had left the city.

 

[Hellbound]

Horuscopes.

But how did they Set them?

 

[pakeha]

Did you know that Jesus Christ was not crucified during Passover? He was crucified more than two weeks after the Passover. Passover was held on the fourteenth day of the first month. He was crucified on the thirtieth of the first month. ...

That's interesting information, PC.
This is something you picked up in one of the seances?

.. So Simon was from Cyrene who went to Jerusalem for a pilgrimage (Exodus 23:15; Deuteronomy 16:16). He was at Jerusalem from the fourteenth to the twenty-first. After the festival, he must have visited some relatives going to the country. On his way back to Jerusalem, he met the entourage of Jesus.

Simon of Cyrene visited some relatives in the country?

Jesus was crucified on the thirtieth of the first month, 16 days after Passover. Did you know that because He was scourged 5,455 times, the three kilometers from His imprisonment inside Jerusalem at a fort took them three days and three nights to travel. ...

Jesus was scourged 5,455 times?

 

[Akhenaten]

@Astreja, #229

You are correct, Astreja. Cyrene was Libya. So Simon was from Cyrene who went to Jerusalem for a pilgrimage (Exodus 23:15; Deuteronomy 16:16). He was at Jerusalem from the fourteenth to the twenty-first. After the festival, he must have visited some relatives going to the country. On his way back to Jerusalem, he met the entourage of Jesus.

Rubbish. He was in Jerusalem because his father, Baani (owner and operator of Baani's Benghazi Bakery) wanted him to pick up some new bagel recipes.

Jesus was crucified on the thirtieth of the first month, 16 days after Passover.

Well this is demonstrably wrong. Everyone knows it was Good Friday.

It was in all the papers.

Did you know that because He was scourged 5,455 times, the three kilometers from His imprisonment inside Jerusalem at a fort took them three days and three nights to travel.

That was mainly because he was made to sit in the comfy chair every 100 metres and have a cup of tea.

Toilet stops also accounted for quite a lot of time.

That is why when they met Simon of Cyrene on their way to the crucifixion site, they asked Simon to carry the cross.

No, it was because he was on his way to the shops to pick up a load of bagel ingredients and was thus the only person in the vicinity who happened to have a wheelbarrow.

They hurried up because there were two consecutive days of Sabbath coming (high day Sabbath on Friday and the regular weekly Saturday Sabbath).

No, it was because all those comfy chair and tea breaks had thrown the schedule out and the Romans wanted to get back to the fort in time to watch Friday Night Football on the telly.

Mark 15:25 states: “And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.” What is the third hour? That is 9am. By noon, Longinus lanced the dying Jesus to a certain death. So Simon of Cyrene must have met the entourage of Jesus about 8am and was asked to carry the cross.

No, it was twenty three minutes past eleven. You've made the common mistake of using Jewish hours rather than Roman hours which were much longer.

Jesus was not crucified on Passover when there were many people present in Jerusalem because “there [would] be an uproar among the people” (Matthew 26:3-5; Mark 14:1-2; Luke 22:1-2).

That's not the reason at all. It was because Pilate was waiting for his fwiend, Biggus Dickus, to awwive fwom Wome.

So they imprisoned Jesus during the festival and after the pilgrims had left the city.

Wrong again, I'm afraid. He was in hospital with some tummy troubles.

Bad batch of Earl Gray, apparently.

 

[Akhenaten]

But how did they Set them?

My Bes guess is they used the Sekhmeter, an early form of Atumic clock, to establish a standard time throughout the Two Lands.

 

[Patchwork Moth]

If Jesus had been scourged that many times there would have been no need for a crucifiction-yet another strange fiction.

 

[Rincewind]

My Bes guess is they used the Sekhmeter, an early form of Atumic clock, to establish a standard time throughout the Two Lands.

And yet another keyboard ruined....

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Where do you get this stuff? Leviticus 23 says that the Passover/Unleavened Bread shall be in the first month, and that same chapter says that Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur and Sukkoth will be in the seventh month. This was all pre-exile, and no mention of Tishri.

Dedication (Hanukah) is not in the Torah. It is referenced in the New Testament, although it merely says it was "in winter".

It is also referenced in the Book of Maccabees, which is held as non-canonical for most non-Catholic Christians.


And the idea that the Jews copied the date of Passover from the date of Easter? That's just weird.

@Meadmaker, #217

These that I am sharing to you maybe new to you. They may not be in the Holy Bible but Ama revealed these to us and they are tape recorded. We discuss them and see if they are logically correct.

You are right, Meadmaker, that Pesach (Passover/Feast of Unleavened Bread), Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur and Sukkoth are in Leviticus 23. There is no mention of Tishri before the Babylonian exile.

The month when the Israelites departed from Egypt is in Exodus 12:2, to wit: “This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.” Exodus 13:4 states: “This day came ye out in the month abib.” This is also in Exodus 23:15, 34:18; Deuteronomy 16:1.

This first month is where Passover was. This was retained in the purely lunar calendar along with the Feast of the Dedication (John 10:22) when the Israelites adopted the Babylonian lunisolar calendar in the seventh century BC. When Jesus was crucified in 1 BC, the Israelites were using these two kinds of calendars but merged these into one in 358/359 AD in what it is today. When the Israelites reformed their calendar, they placed Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread from Nisan 14 to 21. They moved the Fast of Esther in Nisan 15 to Adar 13. They also fixed the Feast of the Dedication (of the First Temple) now called Hanukkah to Kislev 25.

When the Israelites came out of Egypt, it was in the month of abib. The Christians fixed this in 325 AD. It was only in 358/358 AD that the Israelites fixed Passover in Nisan when they reformed their calendars, long after the crucifixion of Jesus.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

That's interesting information, PC.
This is something you picked up in one of the seances?


Simon of Cyrene visited some relatives in the country?


Jesus was scourged 5,455 times?

@pakeha, #232

I am sharing to you what I have heard and learned from the spirit of Ama and what is in the Holy Bible or in “Pasiong Mahal”. You may believe these or not. You make the decision. For me, the revelations are logically correct. You choose what will be good for you and discard what is evil if any.

I say “must have visited some relatives”. This is my opinion. We were not able to ask Ama what the purpose of Simon of Cyrene in the country was. What do you think? Did you know that the spirit of Simon of Cyrene is now residing in a 63-year-old man, according to Ama? That means that the spirit that resided in Simon of Cyrene is presently residing in one of His listeners. I know who he is. He looks like a 40-year-old fellow who his friends and colleagues cannot believe that he is 63 already.

Yes, pakeha, Jesus was scourged 5,455 times. This number was mentioned in several sessions. That is why from His prison at the fort to the crucifixion site was only about three kilometers far, yet it took them three days to reach it, aided on the last day by Simon of Cyrene.

 

[Akhenaten]

I say “must have visited some relatives”. This is my opinion. We were not able to ask Ama what the purpose of Simon of Cyrene in the country was. What do you think?

I think I was right.

Quite frankly, I think you've been getting off lightly by having people put most of the blame for this long-running farce on the old crone. To my way of thinking it's mainly down to you making up things and implying that she said them that's the real source of all this malarky.

 

[Meadmaker]

@Meadmaker, #217

These that I am sharing to you maybe new to you.

Indeed.

This first month is where Passover was. This was retained in the purely lunar calendar along with the Feast of the Dedication (John 10:22) when the Israelites adopted the Babylonian lunisolar calendar in the seventh century BC. When Jesus was crucified in 1 BC, the Israelites were using these two kinds of calendars but merged these into one in 358/359 AD in what it is today. When the Israelites reformed their calendar, they placed Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread from Nisan 14 to 21. They moved the Fast of Esther in Nisan 15 to Adar 13. They also fixed the Feast of the Dedication (of the First Temple) now called Hanukkah to Kislev 25.

The idea that there was calendar reform over the centuries and that this calendar reform affected the dates of holiday celebrations is not at all odd. Of course that has happened. The idea that the Jews would take some of the holidays and put them in one calendar, but leave other holidays in the different calendar is weird, and very un-Jewish at that.

Meanwhile Dedication, which has always been called Hanukkah, unless you are suggesting that the ancient Israelites spoke English, has also always been on Kislev 25. All John 10: 22 said was that "it was winter". Are you suggesting that there was no winter in the lunisolar calendar? How do you get the idea that Hanukkah was in the purley lunar calendar?

And Purim was in Nisan once upon a time? Now that's just plain silly. The Book of Esther says Adar, and says it by name, and calls Adar the twelfth month. That one is lunisolar right from the beginning.

It was only in 358/358 AD that the Israelites fixed Passover in Nisan when they reformed their calendars, long after the crucifixion of Jesus.

By the time the Mishnah was written, no later than 200 AD, and probably long before that, Passover was in Nisan.