The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

[pakeha]

...I share to you what Ama said, the text translated to English to the best of my ability. That is my translation. If you do not understand it, please ask and I will elaborate. “Asking question is way to knowledge.” If you don’t ask, you may remain an ignoramus.

It is your decision to accept or not what Ama say. What I can say is that from 1983 to 1994, I doubted that Ama is the spirit of Jesus Christ Himself, even though He hinted that He is. It was in 1994 that I accepted that He is, based on what I discovered that year which I believe could not have happened had God made it so – the bold letters A-M-A in a published article about the calendar, 888 as the number of Jesus, the post office box configuration, our arrival in Australia in August of 1988. Are these coincidences? ...

Of course I'll continue to ask questions, PC.
I'd hate to remain an ignoramus.
Did you ever figure out why your medium persists in that tale of the non-existent heiress of the Helene Curtis fortune?

I asked also why you thought the Islamic world would adopt your calendar.
Any thoughts on that?

 

[Akhenaten]

@Foster Zygote, #149

We are not talking here about cars. We are talking here about nails used in the crucifixion.

No, we aren't. As usual, you are in the wrong thread.

 

[Akhenaten]

I use the Holy Bible as primary reference. However, I try to use documents other than the Bible or Ama also. For example, the accounts made by the first century AD historian Flavius Josephus.

And what does Flavius Josephus have to say about the crucifixion of the alleged Jesus?

What does any primary source other than the Bible say about it?

And please try to remember that the silly old bat whom you claim is some kind of holy spook isn't any kind of source at all, let alone a primary one.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

The spirit of Ama told us...

Believe it or not.

Not.

It is your decision to accept or not what Ama say.

Not.

It was in 1994 that I accepted that He is [the spirit of Jesus Christ Himself], based on what I discovered that year which I believe could not have happened had God made it so – the bold letters A-M-A in a published article about the calendar, 888 as the number of Jesus, the post office box configuration, our arrival in Australia in August of 1988. Are these coincidences?

Yes, they are coincidences.

It was in 2012 that you accepted that the spirit of Ama had messed up and predicted a nuclear war that didn't happen, and cannot therefore be considered a reliable source.

Since when you've been back-pedalling.

 

[Craig4]

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I use the Holy Bible as primary reference. snip.

How do you figure this is a primary source?

 

[I Ratant]

And what does Flavius Josephus have to say about the crucifixion of the alleged Jesus?

What does any primary source other than the Bible say about it?

And please try to remember that the silly old bat whom you claim is some kind of holy spook isn't any kind of source at all, let alone a primary one.

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But she can count on a steady income.

 

[Astreja]

I use the Holy Bible as primary reference.

The Bible cannot be a primary reference for its own claims. Furthermore, it is impossible for the opening chapters of the book of Genesis to be eyewitness accounts (and hence not a primary source), as humans were not present to observe and record the supposed creation of heaven and earth. There are many other problems of a similar nature throughout the various books of the Bible.

However, I try to use documents other than the Bible or Ama also. For example, the accounts made by the first century AD historian Flavius Josephus.

Josephus isn't a primary source either. He wasn't even born at the time that Jesus was supposedly alive and performing miracles, so if he had actually written anything about Jesus it would have been hearsay rather than a primary account.

 

[Craig B]

Utter nonsense. The intercalation, so that Passover is in spring, has been done at least since the time of Exodus (and probably before); you have not shown otherwise.

Yes. It's manifestly a Spring festival, with lambs and eggs and herbs, and other Springy things. But it's unlikely that the Jewish calendar, in any recognisable form, goes back to the mythical days of the "Exodus". Would it not simply have been celebrated at the full moon of a Spring month, without any elaborated calendric arrangements?

 

[gabeygoat]

I think PC is a bit confused about the term "primary source." I think he's using the definition meaning "main" source rather than a contemporary source

 

[Meadmaker]

As I said, there were two calendar operating when Jesus was crucified – a purely lunar calendar whose first month then fell in the Jewish month of Av, and a lunisolar calendar adopted by the Israelites from the Babylonians when they were exiled in Babylon during the seventh century BC. Rosh Hashannah, Yom Kippur, and Sukkoth were in this month of Tishri now designated as the seventh month and the first month fixed in Nisan as the first month of the year after the reformation of the Jewish calendar in 358/359 AD.

But the Bible says, in Leviticus, that you shall celebrate Pesach in the first month, and in the very next verse says that you shall celebrate Rosh Hashanah in the seventh month. It doesn't say anything about the first month of one calendar and the seventh month of an entirely different calendar.

And it would be very odd if Leviticus were commanding anyone to use a "civil calendar" that would not be invented until the exile. The events of Leviticus are set before the exile, so it was clearly talking about the calendar in use before the exile, and that both holidays were to be numbered in the same calendar. If the Bible is to be believed, then six months have to pass between Passover and Sukkoth, regardless of any subsequent calendars that may have been invented after the commandment to observe the holidays was handed down.

 

[The Norseman]

@Primus, #146

I use what you said. But I add the message number so that I may know which among the messages of the poster is being responded to. Please compare what I do with others who just quotes a portion of the message.

I think Robrob does not refer to that quote function but the usage of the quotes. Please ask him because he is very knowedgeable about what he is saying.

Up at the top of the quote box which says, "Originally Posted by _____", there is a little red arrow next to it which is a link to the entire post you are quoting, so if anyone desires, they may click on that arrow and be taken to the exact, full quote. There is no real need for you to state the post number in this instance, though it doesn't hurt in case someone wants to scroll back.

My comment here is not intended as an attack on your posting style; just wanting to be informative.

 

[Robrob]

@Primus, #146

I use what you said. But I add the message number so that I may know which among the messages of the poster is being responded to. Please compare what I do with others who just quotes a portion of the message.

I think Robrob does not refer to that quote function but the usage of the quotes. Please ask him because he is very knowedgeable about what he is saying.

If you look above there is a little red arrow next to your name. Click on this and it will take you to the quoted post. You don't have to add your number or anything.

So, when are you going to get around to stoning your false prophet as you are commanded to by God?

 

[Astreja]

It was in 1994 that I accepted that He is, based on what I discovered that year which I believe could not have happened had God made it so – the bold letters A-M-A in a published article about the calendar, 888 as the number of Jesus, the post office box configuration, our arrival in Australia in August of 1988. Are these
coincidences?

Yes, they're coincidences. They are also examples of confirmation bias. Perhaps if you had seen the letters AMA and the number 888 in a gardening catalogue instead of a calendar article, you'd be trying to persuade us to plant a particular species of marigold because it had the catalogue number 888.

In other words, you see "meaningful" events because you made a mental connection to numbers and letters that already had meaning for you. You merely recognized them; they did not come looking for you to send you a secret message from a god. I cannot emphasize this strongly enough: They are mere numbers and letters, and have no significance in and of themselves.

 

[pakeha]

Thanks for the reminder, oh goddess!
It's time I re-read Foucault's Pendulum.

But the Bible says, in Leviticus, that you shall celebrate Pesach in the first month, and in the very next verse says that you shall celebrate Rosh Hashanah in the seventh month. It doesn't say anything about the first month of one calendar and the seventh month of an entirely different calendar. ...

That's pretty clear, Meadmaker, thanks for the information.

 

[Multivac]

1234 (come on baby, say you love me) 567 times.

Crucifixion's a doddle.

 

[Multivac]

That prediction was metaphorical.

That's not the word I would use. Delusional would be closer to the truth.

 

[Multivac]

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@Robrob, #56

We must consider that before Christianity, the Greeks had been worshipping mythological gods and goddesses in the Greek Pantheon. It will be up to us to decide which ones we are to pick out or discard.

All gods are mythical, and should be discarded. The world would be a happier and saner place without religion.

 

[Multivac]

@pakeha, #75

In the story that the spirit of Ama related, Jesus Christ when He was twelve created Pontius Pilate like Him [Jesus] out of clay called “pila” and breathed into it the breath of life. So Pontius Pilate was a "golem". He was given to the new Roman Emperor Tiberius Caesar who adopted him.

Sorry, but do you really believe this?

When he was about 26 years of age, Tiberius Caesar appointed him as Prefect of Judea.

Did he ever meet anyone from the People's front of Judea? Or the Popular people's front?

 

[Hellbound]

did he ever meet anyone from the people's front of judea? Or the popular people's front?

splitters!

 

[PeaceCrusader]

And what does Flavius Josephus have to say about the crucifixion of the alleged Jesus?

What does any primary source other than the Bible say about it?

And please try to remember that the silly old bat whom you claim is some kind of holy spook isn't any kind of source at all, let alone a primary one.

@Akhenaten, #163

The spirit of Ama who I doubted from 1983 to 1994 as the spirit of Jesus Christ is the source of what I share to you. He said that Jesus was crucified on August 17. I checked this out from 1999 to 2003 to satisfy my curiosity whether there is any ring of truth in it or not.

I found the year to be 1 BC from the tenth paragraph of http://aristean.org/pahayag001.htm titled “Panambitan” (“Pleading”). So Jesus was crucified on August 17, 1 BC (Gregorian calendar) equivalent to Av 30, 3760 in the Jewish calendar. I myself have found this date to be true and correct, mostly using the Holy Bible. So the Holy Bible is true because it came from the only true God. I used also other sources like Stellafane moon phase calculator, Jewish calendar, Jewish traditions, calendar conversions by Alan Corre and by Timothy Forsythe.

Flavius Josephus was a first century AD historian. So it was fresh to him what happened then. From him, I learned that the Israelites were using NOT a lunisolar calendar when they departed Egypt. The Israelites were using a purely lunar calendar. Try using a lunisolar calendar in the determination of the number of years from the fall of Jerusalem to Romans, the fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians, King David, and Melchizedek, and I believe that various events will not fit in place.