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The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

Multivac said:
With respect, your research proves nothing. Why are you still listening to Ama when her prophecies have already been proven to be untrue? According to Ama, WW3 was supposed to have started before the 2012 Olympic games in London but, as you may have noticed, there were no nuclear missiles launched.
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That prediction was metaphorical.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
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Your dating convention is redundant. Look to the left of every post. You will see the same information.

@devnull, #3
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Would you like some suggestions as to the use of the quote function?

The Holy Bible has two books – the Old Testament (OT) wherein God the Father spoke and the New Testament (NT) wherein God the Son Jesus Christ spoke. During the lifetime of Jesus, the NT mentions Caesar Augustus (Luke 2:1), Tiberius Caesar, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Herod Archelaus. They are historical figures mentioned in other sources. How could that be?
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The film Forrest Gump has actual images of George Wallace, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, John Lennon and Dick Cavett. By your reasoning, Forrest Gump must be a real historical individual. Did it really not occur to you that fictional stories can feature real people as characters?

I remember, one forumer by the name of Foolmewunz, I think, believes that Jesus existed. Please ask him why he thinks so.
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Believing that an apocalyptic rabbi named Jeshua ben Joseph most likely existed is not the same as believing that the fictional character loosely based on him who came to be known as Jesus Christ ever actually existed. Nicholas of Myra really lived from the late 3rd century to the mid 4th century in Asia Minor. But Santa Clause, who lives at the North Pole and employs elves to make toys which he delivers in a sleigh powered by flying reindeer, is a fictional character.
 
pakeha said:
I confess that after viewing the Mildenhall Treasure during my first visit to London I went directly to Baker Street.


Hey, it's great to see you starting a new thread, PC.
Granted, it's rather similar to this thread you started in 2007, but never mind!

In light of your claim, how reliable do you think the NT is as a source of historical information, PC?
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@pakeha, #13

The first time I came to James Randi Educational Foundation forum, I think, was in 2007 when I posted, “Can this qualify as a challenge?” Eventually, I went to the Philippines to ask Ka Apaz and Ama whether they would accept the challenge or not. They declined. I reported the result of my trip in the forum when I came back.

The Holy Spirit recommended that we use the King James Version of the NT because it is nearer the truth. I guess the NT “as a source of historical information” is quite reliable. Those that Jesus Christ said came from the one only true God. I believe they are accurate. The notes of the apostles were pieced together by their children to make a story.

I used the Holy Bible as a reference in checking the events in the crucifixion, like John 19:31 that it was a high Sabbath or high day, the day following the crucifixion.
 
Although it's a long thread, it might be helpful to those who have only just encountered PeaceCrusader and his ideas to peruse http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237682 this thread. The reasons for the numbers (and the fun of other people adding numbers to their posts), many of PeaceCrusader's ideas and sceptics' rebuttals to them, will be found therein.
 
pakeha said:
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I'm not surprised.
After all, in Tar Trek VI mr Spock makes the same claim.



What would be convincing evidence your medium is a fake?



By that reasoning, the Pontius Pilate mentioned in history isn't the Pontius Pilate of your crucifixion story.
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There's where you're going wrong.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
... The Holy Spirit recommended that we use the King James Version of the NT because it is nearer the truth. I guess the NT “as a source of historical information” is quite reliable. Those that Jesus Christ said came from the one only true God. I believe they are accurate. The notes of the apostles were pieced together by their children to make a story.

I used the Holy Bible as a reference in checking the events in the crucifixion, like John 19:31 that it was a high Sabbath or high day, the day following the crucifixion.
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Thanks for your reply, PC.
Which apostles had children?
And again, what would be convincing evidence your medium is a fraud?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
During the lifetime of Jesus, the NT mentions Caesar Augustus (Luke 2:1), Tiberius Caesar, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Herod Archelaus. They are historical figures mentioned in other sources. How could that be?
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During My own lifetime, the movie Ghostbusters has real-life radio personality Casey Kasem doing a little blurb about Dr. Venkman's stalwart crew of supernatural exterminators. I have also met "Ray" (Dan Aykroyd) in Real Life. He might even remember the goddess who gave him a gift certificate for 50% off his next Random Equipment Malfunction.

New York City is also a very real place. I've been there Myself.

Does this mean that the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man and Gozer and Zuul are real, though? No.

It's easy to put historical information into books of fiction, Aristeo. All that gets you is a work of fiction with a few historically accurate details, not a work of non-fiction.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
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Jesus Christ was crucified and died around Passover some 2000 years ago.

A spirit, a holy spirit, who we (plural), listeners, call Ama (Filipino word for God the Father when capitalized) revealed that Jesus was crucified on August 17. I first heard this date in 1983 together with Jesus’ birth on May 23. In 1999, I checked if there is any ring of truth in the August 17 date. After four years of study, I believe I have proven that the date is correct. The results of my study are presented at http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm for scrutiny.
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Not actually. (Yyyaawwwwwwnnnnnn)
 
PeaceCrusader said:
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@devnull, #3

The Holy Bible has two books – the Old Testament (OT) wherein God the Father spoke and the New Testament (NT) wherein God the Son Jesus Christ spoke. During the lifetime of Jesus, the NT mentions Caesar Augustus (Luke 2:1), Tiberius Caesar, Herod the Great, Herod Antipas, Herod Archelaus. They are historical figures mentioned in other sources. How could that be?

I remember, one forumer by the name of Foolmewunz, I think, believes that Jesus existed. Please ask him why he thinks so.
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There are people who believe they are various fictional characters. This means what? There are people who believe fictional characters are real. This means what?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
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@Mutivac, #4

You think that Ka Apaz is just faking Ama. FYI, they are two separate distinct entities. Ama is a spirit who we cannot see or touch. He appropriates the body of Ka Apaz to communicate to people.

True, the prophesied WW3 did not start before or during the 2012 Olympic Games in London. So the prophecy failed. But I think it has been moved. I don’t know when it will happen. I believe, it will be “in His time”, in God’s time. It is like the Aristean calendar.

Ama must have revealed the crucifixion date of August 17 earlier than 1983. No one checked it until 1999 when I embarked on checking the date. I prepared the results of the study in http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm in 2003. Did you know that even after 2003, I still find proofs, as recently as a few weeks ago?
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No, no you can't/haven't. You may have deluded yourself (I will avoid the only other alternative so as not to fall afoul of certain forum rules) into thinking you have, but, no you havent.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
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@MRC Hans, #12

How did you know that there was a “preacher named Jesus, working in Palestine in the beginning of the 1st century”? Are you referring to Jesus Christ?

FYI, Jesus Christ died on August 17, 1 BC. So, that preacher you are referring to must not be Jesus Christ.
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Bolded for bolshoi. Both items make assertions that are totally unsupported in any way by any historical records or any* historical research.


*eta:knowledgeable/reputable
 
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