The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

[Jack by the hedge]

It seems that you now understand that Ka Apaz is different from the spirit of Ama, am I correct? How can you stone a spirit? I tell you that we can not see Him or touch Him but we can hear Him and talk to Him and record on tape our sessions with Him.

It seemed for a while that you understood that 'Ka Apaz' had made demonstrably false prophecies and so 'his' claims could not be trusted. If you ever need reminding of that, we're here for you.

 

[catsmate]

I choose Athena. She's been a close personal friend of Mine since I was 10 years old.

I'm more of a Bast/Freya man myself, but each to his own.

When it was written there wasn't a 221b in Baker Street. It's been assigned as such after the fact, so it does now exist.

221b Baker Street

Rather like religion then, made up after the facts.

The spirit of Ama is the primary source of the dates. He revealed the May 23 birth and August 17 crucifixion dates of Jesus Christ which I heard from old members in 1983 when I first went to the session place in Metro Manila. I just used the Holy Bible, moon phase calculator of Stellafane, calendar converters of Corre and Forsythe, Jewish calendar, Jewish traditions, Flavius Josephus in my study from 1999 to 2003.

So made up nonsense contradicted by facts then.

How about if I tell you that I will discard ALL the gods and goddesses in the Greek pantheon? They have eyes that can not see. They have ears that can not hear. They have mouths that can not speak. They have noses that can not smell. They have feet that can not walk. They are statues only.

They're as real as any other god(s).

The revelations of the dates were from Ama. I did not get them from thin air. I just checked them out from 1999 to 2006. Did you know that had I proven that the revelations are incorrect, I would have retracted my belief in Ama?

Just like you accepted the "prophecies" were wrong about WW3 and the Olympics?

 

[Akhenaten]

I'm beginning to suspect that the joke is on us, and that our interlocutor with the bizarre website is, um, taking the micturate.

 

[Primus]

@pakeha, #75

In the story that the spirit of Ama related, Jesus Christ when He was twelve created Pontius Pilate like Him [Jesus] out of clay called “pila” and breathed into it the breath of life. So Pontius Pilate was a "golem". He was given to the new Roman Emperor Tiberius Caesar who adopted him. When he was about 26 years of age, Tiberius Caesar appointed him as Prefect of Judea.

The following Jewish festivals were in the purely lunar calendar and the date celebrated: Feast of the Dedication, 15th day of the seventh month; Passover, 14th day of the first month; Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pesach), 15th-21st of the first month. In 4 BC, 3 BC, 2 BC and 1 BC, these festivals were celebrated on the following dates: Dedication – Adar 15, 3757 (March 11, 4 BC); Adar 15, 3758 (March 1, 3 BC); Adar 15, 3759 (February 19, 2 BC); and Shevat 15, 3760 (February 8, 1 BC); all in winter confirming John 10:22; Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread – Elul 14-21, 3757 (September 3-10, 4 BC); Elul 14-21, 3758 (August 23-30, 3 BC); Av 14-21, 3759 (August 13-20, 2 BC); and Av 14-21, 3760 (August 1-8, 1 BC).

Jesus was not crucified during Passover but after when the pilgrims have left the city.

You forgot to put the date and time on this post dude. How am I supposed to know when you sent it, so confusing...

eta: was still on page 2! Didn't realise you'd actually stopped doing it. Is correct use of the quote function on the cards now!

 

[Craig B]

PC, do you really have any reason to believe a Roman governor was actually a golem who grew up, married and died?
Given to Augustus Tiberius, who adopted him?
Is this a joke?

Who knows? After all, Tiberius adopted Caligula, so why not a robot moulded from clay by a Galilean carpenter's son. I'd rather have ten golems than one Caligula.

Also, Tiberius kept as a pet in his villa on Capri a "wingless dragon", thought to have been a giant lizard of some kind, which he fed on vermin. He was a rather strange fellow in later life.

 

[Akhenaten]

Aristeo, do you have any supporting primary historical sources for your assertions? That means no quotations from "Ama" and no quotations from the Bible, and no hearsay or derivative writings from non-contemporaneous sources.

In other words, we want non-Biblical writings from genuine eye witnesses who were actually physically present for the events in question. Got any?

Could you please address this, PeaceCrusader.

You don't really expect more than PC's rote response to this type of question, do you?

I'll even save him the trouble of typing it:

20121004.2202

@Agatha #100


Everything Ama said is proven to be incorrect, too vague, too common, or contradictory? Pick out what is good for your soul (if you believe you have one) and discard what is evil.​

 

[PeaceCrusader]

PC, do you really have any reason to believe a Roman governor was actually a golem who grew up, married and died?
Given to Augustus Tiberius, who adopted him?
Is this a joke?

@pakeha, #93

Augustus Caesar was the Roman Emperor when Jesus was born.

Tiberius Caesar was the new Roman Emperor when Jesus created Pontius Pilate who was adopted by Tiberius Caesar. There is no Augustus Tiberius.

I am imparting to you what I heard and learned from the spirit of Ama. It is not a joke. You, I, and others discuss to check it out if it is true or not.

If you want, I can let you listen to the revelation of Ama regarding Pontius Pilate or read its transcription and translation.

You know that Pontius Pilate was the Prefect (or Governor) of Judea. The Roman Emperor then, Tiberius Caesar, was the one who installed him [Pontius Pilate] there.

 

[Lucian]

@pakeha, #93

Augustus Caesar was the Roman Emperor when Jesus was born.

Tiberius Caesar was the new Roman Emperor when Jesus created Pontius Pilate who was adopted by Tiberius Caesar. There is no Augustus Tiberius.

I am imparting to you what I heard and learned from the spirit of Ama. It is not a joke. You, I, and others discuss to check it out if it is true or not.

If you want, I can let you listen to the revelation of Ama regarding Pontius Pilate or read its transcription and translation.

You know that Pontius Pilate was the Prefect (or Governor) of Judea. The Roman Emperor then, Tiberius Caesar, was the one who installed him [Pontius Pilate] there.

Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

You know that Pontius Pilate was the Prefect (or Governor) of Judea. The Roman Emperor then, Tiberius Caesar, was the one who installed him [Pontius Pilate] there.

Tiberius Caesar's reign began in 14AD. That's more than a decade after you say Jesus was cricified, which the bible says was during the prefecture of Pilate.

Any comment, beyond the obvious one the 'Ka Apaz' is known to talk nonsense?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

You forgot to put the date and time on this post dude. How am I supposed to know when you sent it, so confusing...

eta: was still on page 2! Didn't realise you'd actually stopped doing it. Is correct use of the quote function on the cards now!

@Primus, #104

No, Primus, I did not forget the date and time stamp on the post. I find it irrelevant to you but relevant to me. What is relevant for you to know is the poster I am answering and the message number.

You ask Robrob about the “quote” feature. He is the one who is knowledgeable about it.

 

[Akhenaten]

Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus.

 

[I Ratant]

Just another train wreck, consuming itself.

 

[Hellbound]

Just another train wreck, consuming itself.

Flash-paper posters

 

[Akhenaten]

I am imparting to you what I heard and learned from the spirit of Ama. It is not a joke.

Yeah, it is actually. You just happen to be the only one who doesn't get it.

You, I, and others discuss to check it out if it is true or not.

That's not what happens though.

What happens is that people explain, with evidence, that nothing you claim is true and you ignore them completely other than to use their words to introduce yet another iteration of one of your vapid litanies or the silly mantra about 'taking what's good for us and discarding the rest.

 

[Hellbound]

That's not what happens though.

What happens is that people explain, with evidence, that nothing you claim is true and you ignore them completely other than to use their words to introduce yet another iteration of one of your vapid litanies or the silly mantra about 'taking what's good for us and discarding the rest.

Well, technically, aren't we 'taking what's good for us and discarding the rest'? Just so happens that there's NONE of it that's good for us...

 

[Meadmaker]

Reading the OP and the linked page, the whole line of "reasoning" seems to derive from the idea that John in his gospel referred to the sabbath before which Jesus was crucified was some sort of "special" sabbath, which made it doubly important to make sure Jesus' body wasn't hanging there. Then, it goes on to assert that the sabbath during Pesach wasn't special enough to qualify, so he has thrown it to Yom Kippur, making the miracle of the Holy Spirit happen during Sukkoth instead of Shavuot.

To support this rather questionable interpretation, he then throws history on its head, inventiing some sort of Muslim-style rotating calendar for some, but not all, of the Jewish holidays.

It's....weird.

 

[Akhenaten]

Well, technically, aren't we 'taking what's good for us and discarding the rest'? Just so happens that there's NONE of it that's good for us...

Touché.

 

[Wolrab]

Keep low,the sharks are jumping PC now.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

This is not in the Holy Bible but was revealed to us by Ama.

The cross was lying on the ground. The right hand of Jesus was nailed first. Then the right foot, the left hand, the left foot. The fifth nail is for the INRI sign.

The names of the four nails (except the sign) are: “Propram Anacnom”, “Sumaclorde”, “Nasarte Rasiom”, and “Salbuluray Cabaladoc”.

When the left hand was to be nailed, the hole was further away. So they have to pull the hand to reach the hole. For example, the hole was five inches away whereas only four inches with outstretched hands. Because of the pulling, it dislocated the joint.

The cross was turned over to bend the nails to secure the nailing. So Jesus was underneath the cross while the nails were being bent.

 

[I Ratant]

It's on fire, now..