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The crucifixion of Jesus Christ

Robrob said:
Both the Iliad and the Odyssey reference real historical people and places mentioned in other sources. Does this validate the existence of the Greek Pantheon?
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@Robrob, #56

We must consider that before Christianity, the Greeks had been worshipping mythological gods and goddesses in the Greek Pantheon. It will be up to us to decide which ones we are to pick out or discard.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
We know you said that. We're waiting for you to show some kind of evidence to back it up.

I guess we're in for a long wait. Right?
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@Jack by the hedge, #60

I have produced the Aristean cycle that tells us when the first month in the purely lunar calendar was in the lunisolar calendar. The first month was when Passover was. That is why I was able to find out the festivals of the Jews during the time of Jesus (http://aristean.org/wp116.htm ).

Please read http://aristean.org/wp111.htm titled “The Israelites used a lunar calendar before”. Also, please read http://aristean.org/wp082.htm titled “Timeline from the birth of Abraham to the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans”.

I also used the Aristean cycle to check what the first century historian Flavius Josephus said regarding the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans, reign of King David, fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians, and Melchizedek.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
I have produced the Aristean cycle that tells us when the first month in the purely lunar calendar was in the lunisolar calendar. The first month was when Passover was. That is why I was able to find out the festivals of the Jews during the time of Jesus (http://aristean.org/wp116.htm ).

Please read http://aristean.org/wp111.htm titled “The Israelites used a lunar calendar before”. Also, please read http://aristean.org/wp082.htm titled “Timeline from the birth of Abraham to the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans”.
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Please stop asking us to read your silly articles. You started this thread in this forum--present your evidence here.

And no, simply saying, "I have proven it; please go read my crap," is not evidence.

Sorry.
 
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PeaceCrusader, the trouble with your proofs is that you use Aristean logic. It goes something like this:

Prove

There is a live Tyranosaurus Rex at the end of 8th Street, Perth, Western Australia.

Proof using Aristean logic

Verify that 8th Street, Perth, Western Australia exists.
Verify that Tyranosaurus bones exist
Therefore it is logically true and correct that there is a live dinosaur at the end of 8th Street, Perth, Western Australia.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
We must consider that before Christianity, the Greeks had been worshipping mythological gods and goddesses in the Greek Pantheon. It will be up to us to decide which ones we are to pick out or discard.
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I choose Athena. She's been a close personal friend of Mine since I was 10 years old.
 
After pondering My own comment above, the one about Athena, I realize that it was made in a moment of frustration and would like to apologize for the glib one-liner... And to offer something of more substance.

There appears to be an impassible divide between PeaceCrusader's realm and the world that the rest of us inhabit. Where I live, at 246 Reality Street, I keep a simple and clean house. I don't clutter it up with pages and pages of analyses of the Poetic Edda, trying to prove that Oðinn is missing His right eye, not the left one, or that the raven Huginn is male while Muninn is female. I can't prove such things in any meaningful sense, to followers of the Norse gods or to skeptics or even to Myself.

But that doesn't matter. The question that seems to have been overlooked is "Of what use are these stories?"

Good storytelling resonates in the real world. We recognize ourselves in the characters. We cheer the good character who gets his reward, and cheer (often louder!) when the villain gets his due.

I'm not seeing this kind of narrative in your stories, Aristeo. I'm seeing irrelevance and absurdity, frequently "explained" by even worse irrelevance and absurdity, and an almost pathological disconnect from the real world. Really, a god should be able to tell us far more coherent, entertaining and morally uplifting stories than the ones I've heard from "Ama." I can't respect such a character, and I won't follow it either.

Hence Athena: She represents things that I do value, and it doesn't matter if she's mythical or not. I may not be able to follow Her physically, but I will gladly follow the values she represents. </rant>
 
I Ratant said:
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Here's another.. real person... real dead, still gets mail..
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-harnisch-stamp-collectibles-20121002,0,4337002.column
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A fantastic story, thanks for posting it up.

PeaceCrusader said:
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So during the time of Jesus, there were two kinds of calendars that were being used – a purely lunar calendar and a lunisolar calendar. It was only in 358/359 AD that the Jews reformed their calendars and just came out with one calendar that we know today.
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Could you show that the two calendars were actually in use at that time, please?


PeaceCrusader said:
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I also have found some other things, as recently as a few weeks ago, that concur to the revelation of Ama that Jesus was crucified and died on August 17, 1 BC. They are in my WordPress website or in http://aristean.org/wpxxx.htm where xxx is from 001 to 117.
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Please stop trying to divert traffic to your site, PC.
Post up what you want to discuss here.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
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@Robrob, #56

We must consider that before Christianity, the Greeks had been worshipping mythological gods and goddesses in the Greek Pantheon. It will be up to us to decide which ones we are to pick out or discard.
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That sounds like a good idea. I discard all of them Zeus, Hercules, Hades, Yahweh and Jesus. :)
 
Dude - please stop the time/date stamps - it's very distracting. Especially since your stamps vary from the forum stamps by approx 10 minutes to 50 minutes (depending on the post). My limited understanding on time-zones don't see how this is possible.

OT - is the poster doing the metaphorical equivalent of arguing the family structure of bigfoots ie arguing details of something not yet demonstrated? Or is this thread mostly an analysis of dates etc assuming certain hypothetical assumptions and I should just lurk and try to learn something?
 
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@Peacecrusader #62

As AdMan very succinctly put it, 'simply saying, "I have proven it; please go read my crap," is not evidence'. So kindly stop asking us to read your unreadable website. If you think you can prove your claim, lay out your proof here or forget it.
 
Astreja said:
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Good storytelling resonates in the real world. We recognize ourselves in the characters. We cheer the good character who gets his reward, and cheer (often louder!) when the villain gets his due.

I'm not seeing this kind of narrative in your stories, Aristeo. I'm seeing irrelevance and absurdity, frequently "explained" by even worse irrelevance and absurdity, and an almost pathological disconnect from the real world. Really, a god should be able to tell us far more coherent, entertaining and morally uplifting stories than the ones I've heard from "Ama." I can't respect such a character, and I won't follow it either.

Hence Athena: She represents things that I do value, and it doesn't matter if she's mythical or not. I may not be able to follow Her physically, but I will gladly follow the values she represents. </rant>
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Nominated.
 
Craig B said:
Schliemann discovered Troy, so the Iliad is true. So the Olympian gods exist! Anyone want to organise an expedition to find Baker Street?
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When it was written there wasn't a 221b in Baker Street. It's been assigned as such after the fact, so it does now exist.

221b Baker Street
 
gabeygoat said:
Foster Zygote raises a very important point here, PC. How could Pontius Pilate have executed Jesus 27 before he was Prefect of Judea?
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Last time he was asked this, PC said that all the Roman records must be wrong, since he had 'proved' that Pontius Pilate had Jesus crucified in 0AD.
 
gabeygoat said:
Foster Zygote raises a very important point here, PC. How could Pontius Pilate have executed Jesus 27 before he was Prefect of Judea?
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Before even Judea was annexed to the Roman Empire, which happened in 6 AD. Luke makes the census held in connection with the annexation the setting for Jesus' birth. Birth. And it's improbable that Jesus was executed several years before he was born.
 
AdinDraco said:
OT - is the poster doing the metaphorical equivalent of arguing the family structure of bigfoots ie arguing details of something not yet demonstrated? Or is this thread mostly an analysis of dates etc assuming certain hypothetical assumptions and I should just lurk and try to learn something?
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These are great questions and the forum has been puzzling over them since 2007.

drewid said:
When it was written there wasn't a 221b in Baker Street. It's been assigned as such after the fact, so it does now exist.

221b Baker Street
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Perhaps we should call in SH to locate the elusive giantess, Angelina Imden.




sleepy_lioness said:
Last time he was asked this, PC said that all the Roman records must be wrong, since he had 'proved' that Pontius Pilate had Jesus crucified in 0AD.
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Not only that, but Jesus formed Pontius Pilate as a type of golem when he was aged twelve.

Anyway, back to the dating.
I'm looking forward to seeing the evidence the Jewish holidays were so out of synch with the seasons during the times of the Roman Empire.
 
pakeha said:
Perhaps we should call in SH to locate the elusive giantess, Angelina Imden.
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Sherlock Holmes: "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the... "

(jaw falls open in slow-motion as he reads through the various JREF threads)

"...Watson, I'm off to the pub for a pint. Care to join me?"
 
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PeaceCrusader said:
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@godless dave, #45

Other that the Holy Bible, the sources that I used are http://www.stellafane.com for the moon phase calculations, the calendar conversions of Alan D Corre and Timothy James Forsythe, Jewish calendar, and Jewish traditions. I also used the accounts of the first century historian, Flavius Josephus.

The dates matter to correct the long-held tradition of Christians, be they Roman Catholics, Protestants, or Orthodox. We will unify them into the same thing – the crucifixion and death of Jesus occurred on August 17, 1 BC, and His birth on May 23, 33 BC. The equivalent of these dates are August 17, 0 year and May 23, 32 BCJ.
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But what are your sources for the birth and crucifixion of Jesus? What sources outside the Bible record either of these things happening?
 
pakeha said:
These are great questions and the forum has been puzzling over them since 2007.


Perhaps we should call in SH to locate the elusive giantess, Angelina Imden.


Not only that, but Jesus formed Pontius Pilate as a type of golem when he was aged twelve.

Anyway, back to the dating.
I'm looking forward to seeing the evidence the Jewish holidays were so out of synch with the seasons during the times of the Roman Empire.
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@pakeha, #75

In the story that the spirit of Ama related, Jesus Christ when He was twelve created Pontius Pilate like Him [Jesus] out of clay called “pila” and breathed into it the breath of life. So Pontius Pilate was a "golem". He was given to the new Roman Emperor Tiberius Caesar who adopted him. When he was about 26 years of age, Tiberius Caesar appointed him as Prefect of Judea.

The following Jewish festivals were in the purely lunar calendar and the date celebrated: Feast of the Dedication, 15th day of the seventh month; Passover, 14th day of the first month; Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pesach), 15th-21st of the first month. In 4 BC, 3 BC, 2 BC and 1 BC, these festivals were celebrated on the following dates: Dedication – Adar 15, 3757 (March 11, 4 BC); Adar 15, 3758 (March 1, 3 BC); Adar 15, 3759 (February 19, 2 BC); and Shevat 15, 3760 (February 8, 1 BC); all in winter confirming John 10:22; Passover and Feast of Unleavened Bread – Elul 14-21, 3757 (September 3-10, 4 BC); Elul 14-21, 3758 (August 23-30, 3 BC); Av 14-21, 3759 (August 13-20, 2 BC); and Av 14-21, 3760 (August 1-8, 1 BC).

Jesus was not crucified during Passover but after when the pilgrims have left the city.
 
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