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2012 Debates

not_so_new said:
EVERYONE on NBC is saying this, or just the GOP talking head?

Anyway, I think the general opinion is that Obama didn't kick any a$$ but it isn't a game changer either.

I fully admit I am an Obama supporter but I don't think Obama did "bad" but I don't think he did "great" either. He might have did much poorer than I am taking out of it but all in all I still contend that it doesn't matter at all..... the debates don't really matter all that much in the grand scheme of things.
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It seemed the consensus of several NBC analysts.

But, I expect new Obama campaign ads will show the video of Romney admitting he was bringing principles, not plans.

And I expect some GOP sources to note that Romney was heavy on religion, and Obama wasn't.
 
C_Felix said:
Mitt Romney had a bigger lapel pin therefore, it is obvious he loves America more. Also, what was that odd dot in the middle of the stripes?

If there were 100 points to be given out, I'd give 60 to Mitt and 40 to Obama.
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I asked the same question; it is apparently a Secret Service emblem that is defacing the red, white and blue.

I call it 56-44 Romney.
 
mikedenk said:
Ed Schultz just called it for Romney. MSNBC besides themselves. Bill Maher admits defeat. CNN calling it a "big win" for Romney. Chris Matthews says Romney winning. PBS calls it for Romney. Chuck Todd concedes. Rachel Maddow making excuses for Obama. Daily Kos mysteriously silent.

But please do go on about this Bizarro World...
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And..... what is the point again?

The point is to win an election not a debate. Historically no debate winner has ever pulled enough points from a debate to pull from as many points behind that Romney is behind in the polls now.

Win the battle and loose the war, is that really a good strategy?

I think the Obama team is okay with what their candidate did tonight, he didn't fall into any major traps. As someone just said on the TV, Obama was playing "a prevent defense" so they did what they did to just get by.
 
Romney had a good night, but I look forward to see how the statements he made tonight compare to statements he's made in the past.
 
not_so_new said:
And..... what is the point again?

The point is to win an election not a debate. Historically no debate winner has ever pulled enough points from a debate to pull from as many points behind that Romney is behind in the polls now.

Win the battle and loose the war, is that really a good strategy?
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In general, no. But when you're grasping at straws, you'll take what you can get, apparently.

I think the Obama team is okay with what their candidate did tonight, he didn't fall into any major traps. As someone just said on the TV, Obama was playing "a prevent defense" so they did what they did to just get by.
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Exactly.
 
johnny karate said:
Romney had a good night, but I look forward to see how the statements he made tonight compare to statements he's made in the past.
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Yup. I get the feeling that many of his words tonight are going to come back to haunt him. Especially the "I don't have any plans" line :rolleyes:
 
MattusMaximus said:
Yup. I get the feeling that many of his words tonight are going to come back to haunt him. Especially the "I don't have any plans" line :rolleyes:
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I posted upthread about the lie Romney told regarding what's he said about hiring more teachers. And that was just the one I was able to recall off the top of the head. I'm sure others will surface.

Most of the criticism at MSNBC seems to be rooted in anger that Obama didn't make more of an effort call out Romney on his lies.

Clearly, Obama was playing a prevention defense. We'll see how that pans out for him.
 
johnny karate said:
I posted upthread about the lie Romney told regarding what's he said about hiring more teachers. And that was just the one I was able to recall off the top of the head. I'm sure others will surface.
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I hope this is the case. I have to wonder if Obama is playing "good cop" here and the ads are going to come out to play "bad cop."

Most of the criticism at MSNBC seems to be rooted in anger that Obama didn't make more of an effort call out Romney on his lies.

Clearly, Obama was playing a prevention defense. We'll see how that pans out for him.
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I think this is the case. I myself am pretty miffed that Obama let Romney off the hook on a lot of stuff that we know is BS. But, for better or worse, that is Obama's style, he isn't an attacker, he is a 'let's work together" sort of guy and that doesn't work well in a debate setting.
 
I was watching on my laptop because my son's home with a cold and was watching TV. (Surprisingly good feed - technology's sure getting better.)

I thought it was a bit much when Obama slammed Romney's head in the refrigerator door but then I realized I was listening to the computer and watching Tom and Jerry. (But maybe they could do the next debate as toons?)
 
I find it strange that the supposedly biased liberal MSM is all purportedly calling it at least a marginal Romney win, if not a big one. What will Sean Hannity have to complain about for the next three episodes. Maybe that's the idea... all the evil progressives got together and said, "Hey, let's have some fun. Hannity comes on after the debates. Let's all say that Romney looked great, then tune in and watch 60 minutes of dead air on Fox."

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But seriously... it was pretty much a wash. Mitt got a lot of points for not looking like an idiot and actually appearing to belong on the stage. Obama lost a couple of points for trying to jump around too much and counter ever argument and as such his normal stammering seemed magnified. But there's not much there on video that will help Romney, and the Dems can re-run a couple of Romney statements until November. So in the minutes after the debate, Romney looks to have gained points. But in terms of usable material and not just the warm fuzzies, Obama has more material to work with.

Watching the graph on the CNN screen was interesting. The Undecideds, as usual, aren't very undecided. When Obama first spoke - actually as the question was being addressed and he was setting up to answer, the green bar for Male Undecided went below the mid-line. Really? The guy hasn't spoken yet you hit the negative button already? Similarly, the yellow Female Undecided went up just before he spoke.
 
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I was fairly frustrated by the talking heads claiming that Romney brought out details in this thing tonight. He was only detailed in comparison to his past performance, in which he had no details whatsoever.

He did seem more relaxed than Obama, but I couldn't give a fig about that. He didn't have anything to say that made a drop of sense.

Magic 20% tax cuts that are revenue neutral?

If his proposal isn't supposed to be $5B in tax cuts and $2B in spending increases, why the silence for the past month or more while this has been said literally hundreds of times, and why have they still not shown how they would pay for it? It's baffling that anyone could think he did better on the substance of the debate by saying, "No, you're wrong." over and over while smiling.
 
To me it sounded like Romney thought merely expelling a lot of words would distract form the fact that he still has no plans aside from ruthlessly contradicting himself.

"I want to grow business, but not green business. I'm not going to cut taxes to the wealthy but they sure won't be paying the same amount or more. I will force insurance companies to cover people with preexisting conditions but with no way to pay for it."
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Did Romney actually say that private insurance companies can offer insurance that is cheaper than Medicare?
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Private insurance could offer a policy that is cheaper than Medicare. The trick is that it wouldn't come close to covering your costs if you got sick.

Recently I read a conservative complaint about college insurance costs skyrocketing. The old policy had a $10k limit on total payments, the new one didn't have an upper limit.
 
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