Merged Sludge smear/Ghetto Bama

[maxpower1227]

Wait, what?

PLEASE tell me that isn't a right-wing meme flying around out there.

Though, at this stage, nothing would surprise me...

Not sure about that, but I recently had my father explain to me that Obama was to blame for not posting adequate security at the embassies and then responding to the attacks by sending more money to the countries involved.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Not sure about that, but I recently had my father explain to me that Obama was to blame for not posting adequate security at the embassies and then responding to the attacks by sending more money to the countries involved.

I thought it was more basic that democracy is now bad for the middle east. We should be doing everything we can to stamp it out.

Either that or there are not enough bombings and american deaths in this expansion of democracy compared to Iraq.

 

[remirol]

Actually, wasn't 2007 before the primary season? I'm not sure what month this speech was made in? This is Tucker Carlson trying to dig up something more for Fox News to go off the rails about.

Tucker is still pissed because Jon Stewart embarrassed him so badly on Crossfire that the show got cancelled.

 

[carlitos]

I'm sure that I sound like a broken record, but...

I read about this elsewhere and came to the Politics sub-forum to see what JREF-ers were saying about the video and its coverage. I COULD NOT FIND THE TOPIC. I almost started a new one, and then said to myself - "self, there's no way that there isn't a topic on this." Upon further review, I found this - Sludge smear/Ghetto Bama. I'm not even going to read it, nor am I going to respond further. When you guys start posting at a reading level above 8-year-olds taunting each other, I might return. What a cesspool.

 

[DavidJames]

I'm sure that I sound like a broken record, but...

I read about this elsewhere and came to the Politics sub-forum to see what JREF-ers were saying about the video and its coverage. I COULD NOT FIND THE TOPIC. I almost started a new one, and then said to myself - "self, there's no way that there isn't a topic on this." Upon further review, I found this - Sludge smear/Ghetto Bama. I'm not even going to read it, nor am I going to respond further. When you guys start posting at a reading level above 8-year-olds taunting each other, I might return. What a cesspool.

Take the lead carlitos. I would like to read your thoughts.

 

[Unabogie]

I'm sure that I sound like a broken record, but...

I read about this elsewhere and came to the Politics sub-forum to see what JREF-ers were saying about the video and its coverage. I COULD NOT FIND THE TOPIC. I almost started a new one, and then said to myself - "self, there's no way that there isn't a topic on this." Upon further review, I found this - Sludge smear/Ghetto Bama. I'm not even going to read it, nor am I going to respond further. When you guys start posting at a reading level above 8-year-olds taunting each other, I might return. What a cesspool.

While I appreciate the sentiment, I'd argue that by its very nature, the whole controversy boils down to the right's attempt to turn President Obama into "Ghetto Bama". If you think the level of discourse is a cesspool, place the blame where it belongs, not on the people mocking such blatantly offensive tactics by Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson.

Note that the title "Ghetto Bama" was posted by a conservative.

 

[Brainster]

I wish the GOP would get it through their heads that it's no use going after Obama on stuff that happened before 2009; they've got a strong enough case based on the last four years.

 

[varwoche]

The way that Fox News Channel RNC Television Network has played this "story" up, well you get the idea. Bare naked and unabashed.

 

[ZirconBlue]

Tucker is still pissed because Jon Stewart embarrassed him so badly on Crossfire that the show got cancelled.

That, or bitterness over his dismal performance on Dancing with the Stars (1st "star" eliminated that season, with a score of 12 out of a possible 30)

 

[Tricky]

I wish the GOP would get it through their heads that it's no use going after Obama on stuff that happened before 2009; they've got a strong enough case based on the last four years.

It would seem that way, wouldn't it? Yet it's not working. It would work better if they would clearly explain what they'd do differently.

At this point they're reduced to flinging poo and seeing if anything sticks. The old, dried up poo doesn't stick as well.

 

[TragicMonkey]

My theory is that to some people its so obvious that Obama is the worst president and most awful human being ever, they cannot comprehend the need or desire of others for actual examples or evidence of perfidy. Some of them react with anger because they think others are being deliberately obtuse, to vex them. Obama is evil. The sky is blue. Gravity exists. Immutable facts, and not acknowledging them is crazy.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

It would seem that way, wouldn't it? Yet it's not working. It would work better if they would clearly explain what they'd do differently.

At this point they're reduced to flinging poo and seeing if anything sticks. The old, dried up poo doesn't stick as well.

I think the most entertaining aspect of watching these candidates blunder is when I see the double standard applied when it comes to holding accountability. A few months ago everyone absolutely poured over Romney's 1983 dog incident like it was the latest fad, or his recent 47% remarks yet when Obama is shown to have acted in the same manner it's all just him speaking and adapting to an audience with his little "Wright" moment. I seriously have no faith in this country's electorate anymore with this kind of BS....

Politics makes for some incredibly interesting bed fellows

What was partisan about it?

His expressed opinions off the podium and the oval office differ starkly from the image he puts on in the white house, but then politicians like him and Romney rarely have the luxury of speaking what's really on their minds when it comes to voters. "Partisan-bickering" refers to "typical". He's not going to speak on the podium like Joe Biden if he wants to attract the turnout he needs.

 

[Unabogie]

I think the most entertaining aspect of watching these candidates blunder is when I see the double standard applied when it comes to holding accountability. A few months ago everyone absolutely poured over Romney's 1983 dog incident like it was the latest fad, or his recent 47% remarks yet when Obama is shown to have acted in the same manner it's all just him speaking and adapting to an audience with his little "Wright" moment. I seriously have no faith in this country's electorate anymore with this kind of BS....

Politics makes for some incredibly interesting bed fellows

This is a weird comment. The reason why Romney is still vilified for putting his dog on the roof of the car is that he stands by this awful act, even now, and claims the dog loved it! And he brought it up on his own to show the world his "emotion free crisis management". That's why it's newsworthy. Furthermore, there is no amount of time that could pass to make this ok, or different in context, or anything else. Likewise with Romney's 47% remarks. That stuff is killing him with independents and everyone else. It's just a huge self-inflicted wound.

On the other hand, how do you arrive at the idea that "Obama acted in the same manner"? Was he abusing animals like Romney did? Was he writing off huge parts of the country, like Romney did? No, this video was widely reported at the time, by Tucker Carlson! The same guy who is breathlessly selling this as some new video. It's laughable, and people are rightly laughing at him, while noting that this whole sorry episode is a lame attempt at ginning up the racist right.

Most rational people don't see anything in the Obama video that is a) new or b) newsworthy or c) anything that he would walk away from today. In fact, I really hope the right wants to talk about the Katrina episode, because I think they still don't even understand why what they did was so awful in New Orleans. They just don't get it and they likely never will.

 

[AlBell]

And Obama chowing down on a dog isn't/wasn't worth discussing. Nope: no double standard at all.

 

[332nd]

And Obama chowing down on a dog isn't/wasn't worth discussing. Nope: no double standard at all.

Ever read Charlotte's Web?

 

[A'isha]

And Obama chowing down on a dog isn't/wasn't worth discussing. Nope: no double standard at all.

Because we should compare what an adult father of five in America did to what a five year old kid in Indonesia did.

 

[332nd]

I think the most entertaining aspect of watching these candidates blunder is when I see the double standard applied when it comes to holding accountability. A few months ago everyone absolutely poured over Romney's 1983 dog incident like it was the latest fad, or his recent 47% remarks yet when Obama is shown to have acted in the same manner it's all just him speaking and adapting to an audience with his little "Wright" moment. I seriously have no faith in this country's electorate anymore with this kind of BS....

Politics makes for some incredibly interesting bed fellows

Around 1983 I would have been shocked & repulsed to see an openly gay person. Now I'm embarrassed & repulsed that I felt that way.

His expressed opinions off the podium and the oval office differ starkly from the image he puts on in the white house, but then politicians like him and Romney rarely have the luxury of speaking what's really on their minds when it comes to voters. "Partisan-bickering" refers to "typical". He's not going to speak on the podium like Joe Biden if he wants to attract the turnout he needs.

He's presented a different opinion on Katrina?

 

[Tricky]

I think the most entertaining aspect of watching these candidates blunder is when I see the double standard applied when it comes to holding accountability.

I'm not sure I see that. To me the examples are very different. I've seen side-by-side videos of Romney completely reversing his position on things like abortion, health care, guns and other things. I have seen a couple of minor things about Obama changing his position, but not nearly as radically. I've seen them both gaffe, but the "47% video" wasn't a gaffe. What has Obama done that compares with that?

A few months ago everyone absolutely poured over Romney's 1983 dog incident like it was the latest fad...

Honestly, I don't think that's such a big deal. I am admittedly biased, but I believe that if I were not already committed to my vote, this incident would not be a deciding factor. I will say though that the assault on his gay classmate was a little more disturbing. That is not a mere callous oversight.

...or his recent 47% remarks yet when Obama is shown to have acted in the same manner it's all just him speaking and adapting to an audience with his little "Wright" moment.

Those aren't even remotely comparable. Obama never said he held Wright's racist positions. He just said he liked and respected him. You can like and respect someone you disagree with. Romney was less like Obama and more like Reverend Wright, re. class warfare.

I seriously have no faith in this country's electorate anymore with this kind of BS....

On this we agree. When anything over 5% of the electorate still believes birther nonsense, AGW nonsense, creationism nonsense... well, the electorate is highly suspect. Hopefully will get it right, but there is certainly no guarantee.

Politics makes for some incredibly interesting bed fellows.

Lets hope we don't wake up and regret the night before.

 

[Tricky]

And Obama chowing down on a dog isn't/wasn't worth discussing. Nope: no double standard at all.

So torturing an animal and eating meat are the same thing? When did you become a vegan?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

This is a weird comment. The reason why Romney is still vilified for putting his dog on the roof of the car is that he stands by this awful act, even now, and claims the dog loved it! And he brought it up on his own to show the world his "emotion free crisis management". That's why it's newsworthy.

The dog incident is referenced because people want to establish a statute of limitations on using Obama's speeches from several years ago, but have no problems with digging dirt on another individual at any point in time that they see fit. Not to argue whether Romney was being a complete idiot for doing that or if Obama still had an appetite for dog meat.

Furthermore, there is no amount of time that could pass to make this ok, or different in context, or anything else. Likewise with Romney's 47% remarks. That stuff is killing him with independents and everyone else. It's just a huge self-inflicted wound.

Once again, understand the context in which I brought the two things up. You didn't catch it; I'm not discussing if it was "OKAY" to give mr dog a roof ride. I was not defending Romney's 47% write off, in fact, nothing in my prior response even touches that.

My "amusement" comes from the fact that when Romney preaches to the choir, and gets caught, and speaks bluntly the principal held is that he is to be held accountable - fine. The POTUS on the otherhand has a history of divisive racially charged speeches and there's no accountability to be heard of from the electorate. It's a double standard regardless of what idiocy Romney is capable of pulling off. And yes it is laughable actually...

And as far as the Katrina thing... if that gets brought up it's not over Obama being critical of the bad response to the disaster, it's because he injected race into his criticism in a manner resembling Reverend Wright's manner of speaking. The footage hardly leaves room for debate about that as far as I'm concerned. Did his views change since then? Don't know.... the guy has to come across as competent and "unifying on the podium". Does he actually agree with Wright as extensively as the right portrays, maybe not but this sure as hell tells me he's not the beacon of hope and change he advertized in 2008 and he can't lay that responsibility on Republicans for that impression this time.