They're Back!!! Crop Circles!!!

[Nay_Sayer]

Here it is.

Yep that was the one.

 

[pakeha]

Such a thread.
Poetry, photoshop, Nat Geo, yellow snow, helicopters and crop circles.
I love this forum.

 

[tsig]

Such a thread.
Poetry, photoshop, Nat Geo, yellow snow, helicopters and crop circles.
I love this forum.

Yes let us all gather in the middle of the crop circle we have made and have a round of dom.

 

[MrBooglemaumau]

I prefer 3D Street Art to crop circles...maybe that's done by aliens as well....!

 

[pakeha]

Yes let us all gather in the middle of the crop circle we have made and have a round of dom.

Everything in its place!
I get confused easily, perhaps because of the alien designers, and Dom deserves better.

 

[CORed]

I can make yellow snow.

Well sure, but for really good yellow snow capable of blinding fur trappers, you need huskies.

 

[Robrob]

With all the possible CT to chose from, how ridiculous do you have to be to believe in crop circles?

 

[drewid]

My favourite example.

A Norwegian film crew find a new circle, much spiritual power flows


And the culprits?

 

[pakeha]

^
That's a good one!

 

[LOVEmyPets]

STOP Circles....they are man made, all of them.

 

[Frank McLaughlin]

Agreed on corn. More difficult with wheat and barley. It looks impossible to get in, move around and get out and not leave a trace as can be viewed in a photograph while creating 60 discontiguous circles so precisely, and I was trying to conjecture how it was done.

"Helicopters" was based a quick conjecture on my part and the testimony of a farmer who heard noise in his field, went out to investigate and heard the unmistakable sound of a helicopter leaving.

Apparently there is a Discovery Channel documentary "Mystery in the Fields" that may explain it. So I'll Netflix it.

 

[Frank McLaughlin]

Crop Circles are caused by Aliens, that's obvious

dropped in by helicopter?!



Hey Frank, I want to thank you for making me laugh out loud this morning.

And I wish to thank you, Tauri, for chasing me away from the site. Have a good laugh. The payment for your laugh, I suspect, is that you get to exchange ideas here with people who think exactly as you do. Sounds like fun!

There are some examples of precision on display in some circles that look very difficult to pull off and some beautifully created fields of wheat that appear to have no disturbance outside of the design.

I thought this might be worth discussion, much as you might care to discuss Ricky Jay asking you choose to chose a card from a deck, throwing the deck at a wine bottle and your card appearing in that wine bottle, cork intact. (I saw Ricky do this).

Could this make for an interesting discussion? Maybe. Maybe not. A deep thinker like Akhenaten won't know since he'd writes to suggest that I think crop circles are made by aliens so he can ridicule an argument of his own making. Maybe the discussion should be on whether this allows Akhenaten to feel superior. You are the MAN, Akhenaten!

(Hey, Akhenaten, what I really think is that Ricky Jay is an alien. Show me up, bro. Use your logic).

There is an eye witness account of a helicopter leaving a field after the design was created, and certainly it is possible that the farmer made that up. It is also possible that some trick was employed in a densely packed field of wheat such that no entry point could be discerned. I'm sure the possibility of creating such an effect has been discussed by the people who go to such lengths to create these things in the first place, often for corporate clients.

 

[pakeha]

Oh, dear, frank.
I think that while crop circles can reach levels of undeniable artistry, the fact is they are hardly something to take seriously.
I hope you reconsider your decision to leave here, if only so you can browse the archives, which are a treat to explore.

 

[Akhenaten]

And I wish to thank you, Tauri, for chasing me away from the site. Have a good laugh. The payment for your laugh, I suspect, is that you get to exchange ideas here with people who think exactly as you do. Sounds like fun!

You don't seem too chased away, Frank.

There are some examples of precision on display in some circles that look very difficult to pull off and some beautifully created fields of wheat that appear to have no disturbance outside of the design.

People sure are clever, aren't they?

I thought this might be worth discussion, much as you might care to discuss Ricky Jay asking you choose to chose a card from a deck, throwing the deck at a wine bottle and your card appearing in that wine bottle, cork intact. (I saw Ricky do this).

I haven't read any of the Ricky Jay threads so I can't comment. How many of the crop circle threads here have you read?

Could this make for an interesting discussion? Maybe. Maybe not. A deep thinker like Akhenaten won't know since he'd writes to suggest that I think crop circles are made by aliens so he can ridicule an argument of his own making.

You're supposed to say "Strawman! Strawman!" so I could make some witty retort about crop circles being made by straw men.

Maybe the discussion should be on whether this allows Akhenaten to feel superior. You are the MAN, Akhenaten!

Unlike your good self, I never take myself seriously.

(Hey, Akhenaten, what I really think is that Ricky Jay is an alien. Show me up, bro. Use your logic).

Does he own a helicopter?

There is an eye witness account of a helicopter leaving a field after the design was created, and certainly it is possible that the farmer made that up.

Or was mistaken.

Or maybe there really was a helicopter.

It's hardly likely to account for more than an infinitesimal number of arrivals/departures by circle making crews though, now is it?

I guess I'm just surprised that you think something as inherently covert as making crop circles would regularly involve flying in and out with one of the most non-covert forms of transportation imaginable.

It is also possible that some trick was employed in a densely packed field of wheat such that no entry point could be discerned.

Ya think?

I'm sure the possibility of creating such an effect has been discussed by the people who go to such lengths to create these things in the first place, often for corporate clients.

I'm sure it's even been discussed on this very forum, but whatever the case, it really is a minor consideration.

 

[Stray Cat]

And I wish to thank you, Tauri, for chasing me away from the site.

If you are so easily discouraged from websites, I would suggest you sell your computer or at the very least disconnect it from the internet.

There are some examples of precision on display in some circles that look very difficult to pull off

You mean difficult for you to pull off surely?
I see some great examples of oil paintings that I would find difficulty to pull of myself... having at least tried it in the past.

So have you ever tried to create a precise crop circle?

and some beautifully created fields of wheat that appear to have no disturbance outside of the design.

Yes, it's kind of a preqrequisite of the human circlemakers that they should be able to negotiate their way through fields without leaving tracks to and from their work... why anyone would think it is impossible is beyond me.
Have you ever tried it?
Have you ever been in a wheat field?

There is an eye witness account of a helicopter leaving a field after the design was created,

At the moment all we have is someone on the internet telling us about an anecdote they read or heard... If you want to discuss it in any detail, please supply a link to the eye witness account you are speaking of and I'll gladly look into it.
Meanwhile, Wiltshire is the busiest hot spot in the UK for Army training and helicopters are regularly seen up and down the Vale of Pewsey, flying very low, hovering over fields etc. night and day. Add to that the fact that certain crop circle photographers use helicopters to photograph the designs and you get a better picture of how someone could be confused at someone mentioning a helicopter... But a link to the eye witness account is needed to narrow the possibilities down.

and certainly it is possible that the farmer made that up. It is also possible that some trick was employed in a densely packed field of wheat such that no entry point could be discerned.

It is no trick.
Crop seeds are mechanically sowed in neat little rows (called drill lines), the spacing of the rows (for wheat) is about the width of a human foot. Further to this, the tractor that does the seed drilling (and subsequent crop spraying) leaved what are referred to as tramlines at approximately every 40 feet (depending upon how long the arms of the spray booms are). Circlemakers utilise these tramlines to gain access to field. Once the formation has been started, they simply use the already flattened crop move about the formation whilst they plot the next bit. If an outlying part is required, it doesn't take much practice to walk down a drill line.

I'm sure the possibility of creating such an effect has been discussed by the people who go to such lengths to create these things in the first place, often for corporate clients.

Why would you make the false assumption that human circlemakers are often employed by corporate clients?
Apart from using this to hand wave away human circlemaking activities as if their activities are restricted only to paid commissions.

What exactly is so difficult to believe about a group (several groups) of people going out at night and making complex crop circles for fun?
What exactly is it about crop circles that makes you put them in a category that is beyond humanly possible?
Why do you have to come up with a strawman argument (helicopter) to destroy instead of just asking how people can walk in a field?

 

[23_Tauri]

And I wish to thank you, Tauri, for chasing me away from the site.

Sadly for you, you won't be. Only very lucky people get chased by me.

Have a good laugh. The payment for your laugh, I suspect, is that you get to exchange ideas here with people who think exactly as you do. Sounds like fun!

On the contrary, I've been through every hue possible in crop circle believer-ville. If you come on the JREF in such an ill-informed but yet so self-assured manner (e.g. "people are helicoptering in to so many fields so frequently and producing such elaborate results without mistake and with such precision") then you deserve the ignominy of the big laughing dog. But hey, it's only the internet, suck it up and fight your corner like a grown-up.

There are some examples of precision on display in some circles that look very difficult to pull off and some beautifully created fields of wheat that appear to have no disturbance outside of the design.

There's some pretty neat examples of precision on display in the National Gallery, which are also beautifully created, and yet people have managed to pull them off. Amazing stuff.

I thought this might be worth discussion, much as you might care to discuss Ricky Jay asking you choose to chose a card from a deck, throwing the deck at a wine bottle and your card appearing in that wine bottle, cork intact. (I saw Ricky do this).

Sorry, not sure what a conjurer has to do with this discussion.

Could this make for an interesting discussion? Maybe. Maybe not. A deep thinker like Akhenaten won't know since he'd writes to suggest that I think crop circles are made by aliens so he can ridicule an argument of his own making. Maybe the discussion should be on whether this allows Akhenaten to feel superior. You are the MAN, Akhenaten!

What or who do you think makes crop circles, frank?

(Hey, Akhenaten, what I really think is that Ricky Jay is an alien. Show me up, bro. Use your logic).

And this, said in irony I take it, is less absurd than believing something other-worldly make crop circles because...?

There is an eye witness account of a helicopter leaving a field after the design was created, and certainly it is possible that the farmer made that up.

There's lot of helicopters in Wiltshire. Military, private and commercial. There's also a lot of farmers, many of whom love a good yarn. What's your point?

It is also possible that some trick was employed in a densely packed field of wheat such that no entry point could be discerned.

You've not seen tramlines? Perhaps you need to visit some wheat fields? Look, I understand if you're simply ignorant of what a wheat field looks like, that's ok, but maybe you just need to get out more?

I'm sure the possibility of creating such an effect has been discussed by the people who go to such lengths to create these things in the first place, often for corporate clients.

Now you have lost me. How difficult is it to walk down tramlines?

 

[godless dave]

And I wish to thank you, Tauri, for chasing me away from the site. Have a good laugh. The payment for your laugh, I suspect, is that you get to exchange ideas here with people who think exactly as you do. Sounds like fun!

There are some examples of precision on display in some circles that look very difficult to pull off and some beautifully created fields of wheat that appear to have no disturbance outside of the design.

I thought this might be worth discussion, much as you might care to discuss Ricky Jay asking you choose to chose a card from a deck, throwing the deck at a wine bottle and your card appearing in that wine bottle, cork intact. (I saw Ricky do this).

Could this make for an interesting discussion? Maybe. Maybe not. A deep thinker like Akhenaten won't know since he'd writes to suggest that I think crop circles are made by aliens so he can ridicule an argument of his own making. Maybe the discussion should be on whether this allows Akhenaten to feel superior. You are the MAN, Akhenaten!

(Hey, Akhenaten, what I really think is that Ricky Jay is an alien. Show me up, bro. Use your logic).

There is an eye witness account of a helicopter leaving a field after the design was created, and certainly it is possible that the farmer made that up. It is also possible that some trick was employed in a densely packed field of wheat such that no entry point could be discerned. I'm sure the possibility of creating such an effect has been discussed by the people who go to such lengths to create these things in the first place, often for corporate clients.

The "trick" is to walk between the rows.

 

[phunk]

There are some examples of precision on display in some circles that look very difficult to pull off and some beautifully created fields of wheat that appear to have no disturbance outside of the design.

Care to share one of those examples with us?

 

[23_Tauri]

I'm being mean. Sorry, I'm just particularly bitter and evil at the moment. Forgive me for taking my vitriol out on the interwebz. In recompense, here's a photo I took whilst in the Boxley formation in July 2006. It's taken from on one of the tramlines so illustrates the point Stray Cat and I have made.

It's this one:

www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/2006/uk2006ar.shtml

I'm not too proud to admit that at the time, I thought it was made by aleeyns. But I was cured of woo, which proves it can be done. The people who laughed in my face at the time? I hated them, but they were right to do so.

 

[Sledge]

Lovely work.
Is that a Tiger?

Philistine. It's The Lady.