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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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jaydeehess said:
So Robert, your bringing up of the Amish is a particularily epic fail. Not only have you failed to find out if the Amish vaccinate, you also failed to take into account that they often marry young and start having children soon afterwards rather than wait until their 30's, as much of the general population does.



Do you wonder why no one takes you seriously?
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In your heart, you know I'm right.
 
Robert Prey said:
Don't know what happened to the link, but the CDC 1 in 91 stats is old. Now it's 1 in 88. Far less than in the under-vaccinated Amish.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html
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What part of using the Amish to make your silly point are you having trouble with?
They vaccinate and can be more or less than the general population.
They are genetically-homogeneic populations.
They are a closed population.
They treat their autists much differently than Westerners do ergo "higher functioning" autists go undiagnosed.

Este
 
Robert Prey said:
In your heart, you know I'm right.
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Nobody thinks you are right. Nobody's organs think you are right. We all know quite well that you are wrong. You are so consistently and utterly wrong that if you said the sky is blue I'd sigh and go check. You are perfectly purified form of what Pauli was talking about when he said 'that's not right, that's not even wrong'. The word wrong has no adjective that could be put in front of it to describe how wrong you are. In the dictionary, you picture would have appeared next to the word 'wrong', but they had to take it out because wrong isn't as wrong as you are.

So, no, we do not know you are 'right'. You are wrong. Wrong as wrong gets.

Thanks for the outbreaks of diseases. It is the legacy of you being wrong.
 
Hey, if correlation means a probable causation, then the only time that incidnce rate of polio drops with out a resurgence, correlating with the introduction of vaccines means vaccines were the cause. Right Robert?

Or does it only mean a known cause when it suits you?


Oh and those links you keep plugging, I can't find anything in there to show that Amish are or are not vaccinated.

The correlation does not mean vaccines have anything to do with the figure anyway. In the ven diagram of Amish in one circle and Non-Amish who vaccinate, there are a lot of other factors at play. That "non Amish who vaccinate" is a much wider net to cast, so there will be more varyation of social and genetic factors at play. Non-Amish who do not vaccinate are more likely to have:

1) Bred with somebody outside of the small Amish community, meaning the genetic cause of Autism is more likely to be in their DNA
2) Had extensive contact with a broader spectrum of people outside of the small group. So the viral causes are more likely to have been encountered.
3) To have used or encountered a lot of products the Amish do not allow in their lifestyle. There is no less evidence that kool aid, mobile phones, modern nappies, cars, computers, televisions, processed foods or internet trolls are a factor in autism incident rates than vaccines.
4) Diagnosis levels of the autism spectrum will differ in a broader community than a losed one. As everybody can tell from the studies already posted here it is diagnosis, not incident rate, of autism that is increasing.
 
No sane person posting in this thread would allow his child to receive a MMR shot at the age of 1 1/2.
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No sane person would post on an internet forum believing they could establish the sanity of another individual based on the vaccination/non-vacination of a child.
 
jargon buster said:
No sane person would post on an internet forum believing they could establish the sanity of another individual based on the vaccination/non-vacination of a child.
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If you trawl through the anti-vaccination sites you will soon reach a conclusion about the sanity of those involved.
 
Clayton Moore said:
No sane person posting in this thread would allow his child to receive a MMR shot at the age of 1 1/2.
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Why, Clayton?


Robert Prey said:
Re: India:

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/323371#ixzz27gL27Xx4

Some trade-off, eh? What else would you like to know about India?
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Thanks for the link.
I've read and re-read the stats and the original report and what most struck me about the report was the tone.
The doctors seemed to be pushing the political ramifications of the vaxx programme, which they appear to see as pushed on India by the international community, rather than focusing on the patients themselves.

I'm looking forward to reading more about this.
 
Clayton Moore said:
No sane person posting in this thread would allow his child to receive a MMR shot at the age of 1 1/2.
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According to the CDC, approximately 30% of reported measles cases have one or more complications. Complications include diarrhea (8% of cases), otitis media (7%), pneumonia (6%), seizures (0.6-0.7%) and encephalitis (0.1%).

Measles has a mortality rate of 1 in 2,500-5000 in developed countries. There were 87,000 notifications of measles between 1992 and 2008 in England & Wales, and 24 deaths. That’s one death for every ~3600 notifications. 85 deaths per year in the 60s (up to 1968 when the vaccine was introduced). 1.4 deaths per year now.

And that's just measles. I haven't even mentioned the complications from mumps. http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Mumps/Pages/Complications.aspx

Why would someone choosing to protect their child from hearing loss, encephalitis, seizures, pneumonia and death be considered insane?
 
Estellea said:
What part of using the Amish to make your silly point are you having trouble with?
They vaccinate and can be more or less than the general population.
They are genetically-homogeneic populations.
They are a closed population.
They treat their autists much differently than Westerners do ergo "higher functioning" autists go undiagnosed.

Este
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They also don't watch TV. TV may or may not cause Autism but it certainly does contribute to the stupification of many Americans. Especially those who watch Oprah, canned laughter comedies, Letterman or MSNBC.
 
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