Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[Astreja]

Why does the Holy Spirit tell you Evil things?

<sarcasm>But Gabey, they can't possibly be evil! They agree with the writings on Aristeo's website.</sarcasm>

George152, you make an excellent point about not playing the game that Aristeo wants us to play. Every time we debunk one of his stories he just digs up another one that's even more silly and even more unbelievable. Even a cursory glance at the "About the Author" page suggests that gods are superfluous to his plan. He wants a calendar, a time system, time zones, a language and planned cities... All named after himself.

What an exceedingly odd way to honour one's god: Stand in front of it and hop up and down and yell "Me me meeee!"

 

[pakeha]

Pakeha you have to stop playing with the fool.
His wacky stories have grown somewhat every time you show him his rear end

[/sigh]
You're right, of course.
The 2012 Olympics prediction thread was amusing, but the nails thread has been ludicrous, especially after learning that PC had accepted the MDC back in 2007.

Still, I've learned about 4th century Byzantium and hunted out early Byzantine music, which is never a bad thing.

And perfected my case-of-Dom casting technique.
What are the odds it could be accepted as an Olympic sport for 2016?

But yes, the OP is about 4 nails, not a bakers' dozen of them and specifically the 4 nails Helene was sold on in Jerusalem.

Has it ever been an article of faith to believe in the authenticity of those nails?

ETA:
Just to give an idea of what Helene would have listened to:

 

[Multivac]

More important, It should be unladen, For maximum air speed velocity.

Good point!

 

[Multivac]

No. A swallow is insufficient.
What you need is a gulp.
And crucifixion is just a Roman hangup

Nice one, Centurion!

 

[hurdygurdy]

George152, you make an excellent point about not playing the game that Aristeo wants us to play. Every time we debunk one of his stories he just digs up another one that's even more silly and even more unbelievable. Even a cursory glance at the "About the Author" page suggests that gods are superfluous to his plan. He wants a calendar, a time system, time zones, a language and planned cities... All named after himself.

He expects that the Aristean world will be implemented after the fulfillment of his most desired prophecy: the death of billions of human beings by a nuclear war. Meanwhile, he's taking the effort to prevent the humanity by preaching his articles of faith (which can be debunked by an 8 years old child) at an skeptics forum. Aristean logic at its finest.

 

[pakeha]

And the nails!
The Philippine medium tells us there are 4 nails from the crucifixion in Europe.
She's hopelessly confused on the subject but who cares?
A round of Dom for all!

 

[PeaceCrusader]

[/sigh]
You're right, of course.
The 2012 Olympics prediction thread was amusing, but the nails thread has been ludicrous, especially after learning that PC had accepted the MDC back in 2007.

Still, I've learned about 4th century Byzantium and hunted out early Byzantine music, which is never a bad thing.

And perfected my case-of-Dom casting technique.
What are the odds it could be accepted as an Olympic sport for 2016?

But yes, the OP is about 4 nails, not a bakers' dozen of them and specifically the 4 nails Helene was sold on in Jerusalem.

Has it ever been an article of faith to believe in the authenticity of those nails?

ETA:
Just to give an idea of what Helene would have listened to:

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@pakeha, #622

You know, why I ask the question, “Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?”, it is because I read on pages 203-204 of “Pasiong Mahal” that it was in Karpentas, Milan, Rome, and Paris. I did not know that we will be dealing with Pontius Pilate, Pharisees, floating nails, Paris, Santiago de Compostela, Constantine, etc. So many things uncovered.

I know that there were four nails for Jesus and three each for the two thieves to nail them in their respective crosses and to make them symmetrical. And as I read more of “Pasiong Mahal”, I found out other things which you may find unbelievable. This may be the reason why Ama recommends that we read the King James Version of the Holy Bible because it is nearer the truth, and read also “Pasiong Mahal” for it contains details about the passion of Jesus not found in the Holy Bible.

Yes, back in 2007, I accepted the MDC that is why I went to the Philippines to ask Ka Apaz and the spirit of Ama if they would accept. Ama refused and reported in this JREF forum the result of my going to the Philippines.

 

[Pixel42]

I know that there were four nails for Jesus and three each for the two thieves to nail them in their respective crosses and to make them symmetrical.

No, you do not "know" this. You were told it by someone who has been proved wrong about virtually everything she ever said. Why you continue to give her any credence whatsoever is a mystery. You do know that nobody else here does, so why you continue to quote her to us is also a mystery.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

<sarcasm>But Gabey, they can't possibly be evil! They agree with the writings on Aristeo's website.</sarcasm>

George152, you make an excellent point about not playing the game that Aristeo wants us to play. Every time we debunk one of his stories he just digs up another one that's even more silly and even more unbelievable. Even a cursory glance at the "About the Author" page suggests that gods are superfluous to his plan. He wants a calendar, a time system, time zones, a language and planned cities... All named after himself.

What an exceedingly odd way to honour one's god: Stand in front of it and hop up and down and yell "Me me meeee!"

20120922.0030

@Astreja, #621

Did you know how the calendar was named Aristean calendar? It is because I noticed in 1997 that it was the first names of my mother Gregoria and maternal grandmother Julita that were associated with the calendar. Remember Gregorian calendar and Julian calendar? So it should be my first name as well that should be used. And then a friend in the Philippines said that it should be named Aristean calendar to add “mystic” to it, instead of its name before as Fernando Perpetual Calendar and plainly as Perpetual Calendar initially.

It also triggered me to check the name Aristeo. I found out that Aristeo is the Hispanized name of the Greek god Aristaeus, which may have been derived from the Greek word aristos meaning best or number one. Henceforth, I named the time system as the Aristean Decimal Time, the time zone as the Aristean Time Zone, the language as the Aristean language, and the planned cities as Aristean Planned Cities. As I said before, I am not a conceited person. The idea was just inspired to me by the only true God and I am just its presenter to the world.

Why was I named Aristeo? My father was the one who chose that name when I was baptized (http://aristean.org/baptismalpix.jpg ) because it is one of two names recommended in the Roman Catholic calendar on the day I was born. He said that it is “unique”. He actually named his first four children after my nickname, a la acrostic, he said.

 

[Astreja]

Did you know how the calendar was named Aristean calendar? It is because I noticed in 1997 that it was the first names of my mother Gregoria and maternal grandmother Julita that were associated with the calendar.

So someone in your family tree had an obsession with calendars? That's hardly a justification for tossing out our current timekeeping systems.

The idea was just inspired to me by the only true God and I am just its presenter to the world.

I predict, Aristeo, that your calendar system will never, ever be adopted by the world-at-large. (FWIW, I am so very sure of this that I'm prepared to wager My very life on this prediction. I'm not joking.) I believe that your system would cause more problems than it would actually solve, and that civilization is not going to rebuild clocks and calendars, nor will it recalculate untold millions of science and historical reference books to bring them in line with your system.

I also predict that within 10 years of your eventual physical demise, your website will have long since been deleted by the service provider and that your system will be no more than a deprecated page in an obscure calendar wiki.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Paris isn't along the way at all from Jerusalem to Santiago de Compostela. You're not speculating, you're making it up and you're wrong, as usual.

Santiago (St. James) is the patron saint of Spain, but he never was in the Iberian Peninsula, it's just a legend, like the floating nails.

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@hurdygurdy, #613

Paris may not be directly along the way on land from Jerusalem to Santiago de Compostela but how could Saint James found the nail in Paris if he had not been there? The spirit of Ama revealed this. How could Spain adopt Santiago as its patron saint if he had not been there? Who could have evangelized the Spaniards? Remember the Kingdom of the Visigoths? It extended from the Iberian Peninsula to south-western France. Paris was in the Kingdom of the Franks, just to the north of the Visigoths. Also remember the Spanish era used until about the 14th century AD? The Spaniards abandoned this era and instead used the era when Jesus was born in 1 BC.

I am just imparting to you what I heard and learned from Ama. Believe it or not. The decision is up to you.

 

[Astreja]

How could Spain adopt Santiago as its patron saint if he had not been there?

The same way that Quebec adopted St. John Baptiste as their patron saint...

...Unless you're proposing that he swam the Atlantic Ocean and up the St. Lawrence Seaway with his severed head tucked under his arm?

 

[svenax]

I am just imparting to you what I heard and learned from Ama. Believe it or not. The decision is up to you.

Thank you. I choose not to believe it then. But really, Aristeo, you should try to be at least a little skeptical yourself. All the stuff you say Ka Apaz has told you can easily be checked and shown false. But instead of doing this, you just choose to believe every single weird thing your medium tells you. And all kinds of stuff you have read in a fairly recent religious poem. Just like I would live my life according to J.R.R. Tolkien's Silmarillion. Which I don't.

 

[gabeygoat]

20120921.2355


there were four nails for Jesus and three each for the two thieves to nail them in their respective crosses and to make them symmetrical.

Why?



Also, why does the holy spirit tell you evil things?

 

[Astreja]

I know (sic) that there were four nails for Jesus and three each for the two thieves to nail them in their respective crosses and to make them symmetrical.

Why only 3 nails for the thieves? Were they each missing a hand or foot? And if so, wouldn't that disturb the symmetry too?

Not that I understand why a group of Roman guards would bother with symmetry when attaching condemned criminals to execution devices. I think we should set up a task force to explore this fascinating and previously unheard-of aspect of Roman martial culture. Perhaps the Annals of Improbable Research will reward our hard work with an IgNobel prize.

 

[Agatha]

How could Spain adopt Santiago as its patron saint if he had not been there?

The same way as St George, patron saint of England, never came to England (or slew a dragon). There is no requirement for a patron saint to have ever visited a particular country in order for them to become a patron saint.

For someone who urges others to be discerning, you seem to believe any old nonsense Ka Apaz churns out, even when it is provably false.

 

[hurdygurdy]

Paris may not be directly along the way on land from Jerusalem to Santiago de Compostela but how could Saint James found the nail in Paris if he had not been there? The spirit of Ama revealed this. How could Spain adopt Santiago as its patron saint if he had not been there? Who could have evangelized the Spaniards? Remember the Kingdom of the Visigoths? It extended from the Iberian Peninsula to south-western France. Paris was in the Kingdom of the Franks, just to the north of the Visigoths. Also remember the Spanish era used until about the 14th century AD? The Spaniards abandoned this era and instead used the era when Jesus was born in 1 BC.

I am just imparting to you what I heard and learned from Ama. Believe it or not. The decision is up to you.

I have no idea why are you mentioning the visigoths now, maybe to distract from the facts that St. James never was in Spain and that Paris isn't along the way from Santiago to Jerusalem, no matter what you heard and learned from a blind illiterate scammer. Anyway, the visigoths stablished their kingdom in Spain several centuries after the death of St. James.

You keep adapting the reality to your beliefs, when you should do the opposite. Believe it or not, my decision is to choose the real world, pick up what is good for your Dom and discard what is Evian.

 

[pakeha]

^
Nice one.
Another case is floating your way!

...I read on pages 203-204 of “Pasiong Mahal” that it was in Karpentas, Milan, Rome, and Paris...

Yes, indeed, PC.
The only thing is that we've established the nails of Karpentras and Milan BOTH claim to the the nail fashioned into Constantine's bridle.

One or both of these nails must logically be fake.
How could a true spirit not know that, PC?

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@hurdygurdy, #613

Paris may not be directly along the way on land from Jerusalem to Santiago de Compostela but how could Saint James found the nail in Paris if he had not been there? The spirit of Ama revealed this. How could Spain adopt Santiago as its patron saint if he had not been there? Who could have evangelized the Spaniards? Remember the Kingdom of the Visigoths? It extended from the Iberian Peninsula to south-western France. Paris was in the Kingdom of the Franks, just to the north of the Visigoths. Also remember the Spanish era used until about the 14th century AD? The Spaniards abandoned this era and instead used the era when Jesus was born in 1 BC. ...
.

No, no and no, PC.
St James never left the Holy Land.
Didn't you read that he was beheaded by Herod Agrippa?
His body was translated to Spain and is thought to be buried in Santiago.
He had nothing to do with the evangelisation of Spain.
And less to do with Paris.
Your medium was mistaken.
As she was about the nails.

You've been told this again and again.
You can confirm this for yourself.
The medium was simply and utterly dead wrong on this subject.
In fact, the medium was SO wrong on this point I surprised you continue to have faith in her utterances.

The Spaniards never used a calendar based on jesus' birth as you posit.
They used a Roman calendar founded 38 BC.
Please get your facts straight.

And a round of Dom for all.

 

[Craig B]

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@hurdygurdy, #613

How could Spain adopt Santiago as its patron saint if he had not been there?

Eh? Was St George ever in England? In Georgia? In Genoa? He is patron saint of these and other places. Was St Andrew ever in Scotland? The Scots have never pretended that he was. In the middle ages the Scots stated merely that Jesus "wishes to have him always over us as our patron".

 

[Femke]

To your health, pakeha.

Please pass this cheese platter around, you should never drink without a nibble.

And to PC: why do you keep dodging the question: why do you still believe in Ka Apaz/Ama? Everything she has said is proven to be incorrect, too vague, too common, or contradictory. And if it could not be disproven, it was fictional.

What reason do you have to believe anything this woman says?