Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[Cheesy One]

Are we certain they were nails? Sounds more like holy torpedoes from the Book of Armaments, right after the hand grenade section.

 

[pakeha]

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You are correct, pakeha. Two nails ended up in Paris – one during the first century AD when Pontius Pilate died and one during the fourth century AD during the reign of Emperor Constantine. The first was taken to Carpentras from Paris. When it was sent to Carpentras? I do not know. By whom? I do not know.

Do you know why the earth quaked, it rained and flooded when Pontius Pilate was buried?

I know that nails are made of metal, and logically, will not float. But is there anything impossible with God. I told you what Ama related and how it ties up with what is in “Pasiong Mahal”. ...

PC, read up on the Carpentras relic again.
It claims to be from the Emperor Constantine's bridle.
The nail relic in Milan makes the same claim.
Do you understand what this means?

Why do you believe that story about Pontius Pilate?
Haven't you understood this is all pious legend, that it has nothing to do with reality? Can anyone possibly believe the Pharisees cast a nail from the crucifixion into the sea (from where?) to calm a storm?
Who is naive enough to believe such a thing?

It's as believable as the medium's tales of the giantess Angelina Imden, the false st Evangeline and the nonexistent Reniliniyindi.

At least one.

A round of Dom for all.

 

[Ladewig]

Do you know why the earth quaked, it rained and flooded when Pontius Pilate was buried?

I know I am going to regret asking.
I know I shouldn't ask.
I know I shouldn't even be here in this thread today.

But, I gots to know....


Why did it rain, flood and earthquake on that day.

 

[gabeygoat]

for the halibut

 

[pakeha]

Trying to tip the scales, gabeygoat?

 

[Mojo]

French postal service?

 

[hurdygurdy]

Existential fallacy: You have to provide empirical evidence that this alleged god actually exists before you start making assertions about what it can or cannot do.

PC will probably reply asking what's the difference between a living person and a dead person, then he'll ignore the answers and will continue repeating his automated diatribes. So predictable that it isn't funny anymore.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Such as:


Even if one accepts the idea of nails floating (which is highly unlikely), a floating object moves with the current, not against it. So how did the mails get upstream from Le Havre to Paris?

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@Blue Mountain, #550

I also am in a quandary. It defies logic. What I can say is that there is nothing impossible with God? Even time. The first nail that floated was during the first century AD when Pontius Pilate died and the second was during the fourth century AD when Saint Helena threw the nail to calm a storm at the Adriatic Sea. Both nails ended up in Paris, France. Is it impossible to God for the nails to get upstream against the current from Le Havre to Paris? God is omnipotent. He can even make the dead to live again, like Lazarus and the beheaded John the Baptist.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Existential fallacy: You have to provide empirical evidence that this alleged god actually exists before you start making assertions about what it can or cannot do.

I'm going to apply Occam's Razor here, Aristeo. You are telling us highly illogical and convoluted stories that defy logic and science at just about every turn. I think that there is little to no factual information in any of them, and that these are no more than fairytales that were told to impress believers.

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@Astreja, #551

I am not asserting that metal nails will float. I am just relating to you what I heard and learned from the spirit of Ama, and what I read in the book “Pasiong Mahal”. It defies logic. To man, it is impossible, but to God, everything is possible. Please read my reply to Blue Mountain.

The spirit of Ama revealed that Jesus Christ was born on May 23 and died on August 17. Are these dates made up to “impress believers”? They can be proven, not logically, but by what we use these days. I, myself, have proven these to be true and correct.

 

[AdMan]

The spirit of Ama revealed that Jesus Christ was born on May 23 and died on August 17. Are these dates made up to “impress believers”? They can be proven, not logically, but by what we use these days. I, myself, have proven these to be true and correct.

No, you have not proven this at all to anyone but yourself and maybe some of the other followers of the old fraud.

Nobody else buys that nonsense.

 

[George 152]

Oooooh, no, Geezer. For carrying nails, especially crucifiction nails, you need the more powerful European swallow.

No. A swallow is insufficient.
What you need is a gulp.
And crucifixion is just a Roman hangup

 

[pakeha]

First things first.
Dom for all!

... The first nail that floated was during the first century AD when Pontius Pilate died and the second was during the fourth century AD when Saint Helena threw the nail to calm a storm at the Adriatic Sea. Both nails ended up in Paris, France. Is it impossible to God for the nails to get upstream against the current from Le Havre to Paris? God is omnipotent. He can even make the dead to live again, like Lazarus and the beheaded John the Baptist.

Well, PC, it seems you've convinced yourself John the Baptist was resurrected and that not one but two nails of the crucifixion floated to Paris.

Why do you think the Pharisees had access to a nail of the crucifixion?

 

[svenax]

Why do you think the Pharisees had access to a nail of the crucifixion?

Or maybe more importantly, even if they had access, why would they care? The pharisees were Jews - they didn't believe Jesus was the messiah, just that he was a very naughty boy.

 

[Astreja]

I am not asserting that metal nails will float.

It really doesn't matter, Aristeo, if these alleged nails:

• Floated to Paris;
• Were carried to Paris by a swallow (African or European, take your pick);
• Were dematerialized by the transporter on the Starship Enterprise and beamed into Paris;
• Splashed ashore in a storm and carried overland to Paris by a human.

So what does matter? Just this:

• You are claiming that your god exists. That has not been demonstrated to our satisfaction. Until you can provide evidence for your god, and until we have accepted that evidence, it's meaningless to tell us what it thinks, what it wants or what it can or cannot do.
• You are claiming that a woman in the Philippines is in communication with some entity named Ama. We think that Ama doesn't exist, and that the woman in the Philippines is deliberately deceiving people. It's already been clearly demonstrated that "Ama" is astoundingly bad at making accurate prophesies; in fact, just about everyone posting in this thread can do a far better job.
• You are claiming that you have proven the birthdate and date of death of a man who quite possibly never existed at all. It gets very tiresome hearing you repeat this kind of nonsense over and over again.
• And you seem to think that people can come back from the dead, and even walk around after their heads have been removed from their bodies. This is, in My opinion, just plain silly.

I am just relating to you what I heard and learned from the spirit of Ama, and what I read in the book “Pasiong Mahal”. It defies logic.

Yes, it does defy logic. For that reason alone, I think that what you have "heard and learned" is tragically wrong, and that you have wasted precious years of your life chasing after holy fictions.

I think that Ama is 100% made up, just a character that Ka Apaz likes to play. I think that she has deceived you. I do hope you never gave her any money.

I also think that the books you are using as reference material are wrong, and not worth bothering with.

Finally, I really don't care what you believe in private, Aristeo. However, this is a forum populated largely by skeptics. When you start claiming to have The Truth, you have to be able to provide unbiased evidence that we, ourselves can check out. It's infuriating when you just repeat yourself. "I have proven" or "Ama told us" doesn't count as evidence. "I have proven" is a bald assertion, and "Ama told us" is hearsay from a suspected fraud.

To man, it is impossible, but to God, everything is possible.

I do not believe in your god, Aristeo. As fictional characters have no real abilities, I believe that nothing is possible for your god.

Nothing at all. It can't predict the future, transport nails to Paris, or raise people from the dead.

And it can't make your life one iota better or one iota worse, Aristeo. In My opinion, you have infinitely more power than your god. Use it wisely.

 

[Blue Mountain]

I also am in a quandary. It defies logic. What I can say is that there is nothing impossible with God? Even time. The first nail that floated was during the first century AD when Pontius Pilate died and the second was during the fourth century AD when Saint Helena threw the nail to calm a storm at the Adriatic Sea. Both nails ended up in Paris, France. Is it impossible to God for the nails to get upstream against the current from Le Havre to Paris? God is omnipotent. He can even make the dead to live again, like Lazarus and the beheaded John the Baptist.

I have a serious problem with the idea of "With God, all things are possible." It shuts down inquiry, and without inquiry we'd still be roaming around the deserts of the Middle East thinking iron chariots were the most advanced form of transportation. Inquiry and questioning, especially questioning the idea that "God" ordained something (a flat Earth at the centre of the universe, 80% infant mortality rates due to preventable diseases, justice systems based on honour killings, economic systems based on human slavery, etc) have given us science, and science has given us electricity and quantum mechanics, both of which are integral to the internet we are using to communicate.

What does this have to do with nails? Iron nails floating in salt water against river currents is contrary to everything we know about iron, salt water, and objects floating in rivers. Because people in times past had the courage to question such outlandish tales, we as a species have been able to advance forward from the bronze age to the society you and I enjoy today.

Ka Apaz, Ama, and even Jesus have done nothing toward that goal. Science and skepticism have.

 

[devnull]

What I can say is that there is nothing impossible with God?

Then why question anything at all?

If you believe this, then you should perhaps believe anything anyone ever tells you, anywhere, anytime. This is because you have no real way of distiguishing fact from fiction, because anything is possible with God.

Right?

I mean, I could tell you that I have a magic wand that shoots out icecreams and you should accept that without question, because all I have to do is say "God gave it to me" and all inquiry ceases at that point.....

Yes?

 

[Stomatopoda]

I mean, I could tell you that I have a magic wand that shoots out icecreams and you should accept that without question, because all I have to do is say "God gave it to me" and all inquiry ceases at that point.....

Yes?

Only if you make your voice sound like the opposite gender and fall over first. Did you know that we (plural) must be discerning? Because FYI even the devil says good things.

 

[Astreja]

Only if you make your voice sound like the opposite gender and fall over first. Did you know that we (plural) must be discerning? Because FYI even the devil says good things.

But why would a god have to communicate by appropriating someone's body and making them fall over? Couldn't it, you know, just show up now and then and just tell us what's going on and how to deal with it...

...Wait a minute; that sounds suspiciously like the Foundation Trilogy.

 

[Stomatopoda]

But why would a god have to communicate by appropriating someone's body and making them fall over?

I'm perplexed, but did you know I proved everything is possible with God(singular)?

 

[pakeha]

Or maybe more importantly, even if they had access, why would they care? The pharisees were Jews - they didn't believe Jesus was the messiah, just that he was a very naughty boy.

Between casting cases of Dom into the sea, I've also posted up this question.
I'm glad someone else saw the insanity of imagining the Pharisees would associate the death of Pontius Pilate in far off Vienne with a storm in the somewhat nearer but still-some-distance away sea.

I'd also wonder how long it took for the news of Pontius Pilate's death to reach Jerusalem.

... without inquiry we'd still be roaming around the deserts of the Middle East thinking iron chariots were the most advanced form of transportation. ...

What?
You mean there's a new model of chariots on the market?
I'd better trade in my 2004 model before it loses all its value.
That's great news and there's a case of Dom now floating your way!