Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Robert have you submitted your request to see Mitt Romney's birth certificate yet and all the past presidents?
 
It has been comprehenively demonstrated RP and the birthers know little about how digital documentation worksm do not care about legal process and how that works and when professionals show them just how wrong they are all they can do is flail thir arms around calling it technobabble, jsut proving they are incpaable of understanding technical matters.

The birther case is dead, throughly demolished and was devoid of any merit in the first place.

Where is Sherif Joe Arapios birth certificate Robert?
 
Robert Prey said:
Given the history of The Anointed One's other documents (Forged Selective Service card, A SS card from Connecticut, sealed college transcripts, etc., etc.,) it is not unreasonable to suppose that all of the rest of his life is just as fraudulent, including the place of his alleged birth.
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A great example of everything accepted by Birthers as gospel without checking the facts. Allegations of fraud and deception are accepted without question.
 
Torombolo said:
This might come in a bit late but have any of the birthers actually stated why they are after Obama so bad?
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sts60 said:
As I noted before, I think this is the answer in many cases, but not in all. I think a lot of birthers simply have an irrational hatred of his politics.
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Agreed. The Birthers, at least some of them, appear to have similar and as diverse of motivations as the impeach Clinton crowd did. It is not exclusively racism and dismissing the cause as just racism fails to take into account the complexity of modern politics. In addition to race it is about fundamentalist partisanship, fund raising, gathering readers, plain attentions seeking, wanting to feel in control....
 
Robert Prey said:
Given the history of The Anointed One's other documents (Forged Selective Service card, A SS card from Connecticut, sealed college transcripts, etc., etc.,) it is not unreasonable to suppose that all of the rest of his life is just as fraudulent, including the place of his alleged birth.
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No. The frantic fervor with which his political enemies heap unsupported accusations (and childish name-calling) upon the sitting President says more about them than about him.
 
Robert Prey said:
Real scientific argument is all about replication.
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You're not a scientist. You have no business trying to direct a scientific examination.

Nothing else will suffice.
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I've asked you to replicate several things you say were done. You have flatly refused, even though you accepted the burden of proof at the beginning of this debate.

And in contrast, you and that silly bumpkin of a sheriff have tried to levy a standard upon your critics for the exculpatory proof you suddenly demand when your "experts" were exposed as frauds. When asked the logical, legal, and mathematical basis for such a standard you go silent. As usual.

Therefore by your own standards your failure to replicate your claims dooms your case.
 
Robert Prey said:
Which would make the certified copy handed to the AP not a copy of the original document.
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Irrelevant.

You asked how they could have the same content but different backgrounds. Now you know.

Romney's birth certificate does not even purport to be a copy of the paper original; it is a computer-generated abstract that the registrar has certified contains the same information as the paper record.

Learn how certification works.
 
Robert Prey said:
The optimization argument is a straw man by reason of the fact that no serious birther has denied that there may well be evidence of optimization. But together with the evidence of a digitized image, what we have here in the COLB is a digitized forgery that may well have been optimized.
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"Serious" Birthers? Name them. And tell us how we may discern a "serious" Birther from the ones who seem to be grabbing all the headlines by virtue of their nutty claims.

None of your Birther "experts" knew anything about PDF structure or optimization, or incorporated it into their claims, until their critics laughed at them and showed them how it worked. All your supposed handwaving about the PDF is irrelevant, since it has no legal significance anymore. And there is no technical validity to it. Every bit of "digital forgery" evidence is explained by the ordinary nature of PDF data, of which you and your pseudo-experts are entirely ignorant. This is why no court in the land has accepted them as experts, through dozens of Birther lawsuits.

Those are the facts. And nothing you say has put a dent in them.
 
Robert Prey said:
Foot the bill? All you have to do is use your own equipment, draw a shape, color it baby blue, and scan it so it comes out tile checked green. You don't need the forger's equipment for that.
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Aside from your presumptuous use of the word "forger", yes, you do have to have the original equipment in order to even ATTEMPT to properly replicate the document. The fact that you do not understand this speaks volumes about your knowledge, or lack thereof, about the scientific method. Let alone your lack of knowledge on the technical subjects around digital scanning and PDF generation/optimization.
 
Robert Prey said:
The optimization argument is a straw man by reason of the fact that no serious birther has denied that there may well be evidence of optimization. But together with the evidence of a digitized image, what we have here in the COLB is a digitized forgery that may well have been optimized.
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Digitized? Of course it's freakin' digitized! Every damned image file (or any other computer file for that matter) has to be. Unless you have an analog computers and internet in your birther world. This is your latest evidence of forgery? No one here is going to buy it.
 
Hey, Robert. I scanned my birth certificate and got a little of the same anomalies. It is a lot of pages back, and would have been seen if a person would have reviewed previous pages. What I accomplished was showing how a legit COLB could show all the same anomalies when scanned using Apple. Than again I may have been secretly born in Kenya. :rolleyes:
 
Mojo said:
Given the lack of evidence supporting your allegations of fraud...

Baloney.
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You have to consider that Robert began this fiasco with broad, sweeping allegations of all the evils that Obama had done to become President. Initially he refused to discuss any of them in depth, but when finally persuaded to delve into the details he accepted the burden to prove that the birth certificate was forged. Now dozens of pages later he's clearly in over his head. So of course now he's trying to back out of the detailed claims and go back to "Obama is evil for all these reasons."

Typical conspiracy argument. They only allude to rigor; they cannot supply it. They only wave their hands at details; they can't discuss them. This is why every Birther lawsuit has failed. Courts want sound arguments and real evidence, not a bunch of whiny speculation.
 
Robert Prey said:
Given the history of The Anointed One's other documents (Forged Selective Service card, A SS card from Connecticut, sealed college transcripts, etc., etc.,) it is not unreasonable to suppose that all of the rest of his life is just as fraudulent, including the place of his alleged birth.
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A dozen inaccurate or unproven accusations of fraud do not add up to a single verifiable one. They can't logically be used to support the accuracy of each other.
 
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