Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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How much do you want to bet that if the Obama campaign had released a digital copy that met the standards the Birthers are asking for, that they would complain that it was obviously forged because it lacked the anomalies expected by scanning and optimizing the document?

Well if they follow the example of other conspiracy theories based significantly on photo (mal)interpretation, "too perfect" is indeed one of the arguments. Conspiracy theorists alternatively claim that pictures exhibit clear flaws that are the inevitable result of tampering, and that the pictures have been sanitized to omit evidence of the conspiracy.
 
Here's another nice little challenge for you and your fellow "expert" Abaddon:

Will you affirm that that the Obama PDF is in fact genuine and do it with proof? No. You will not, because as you have already admitted by your silence on the question, you just don't know. Admit it, and we can go from there.
Snort. I would say nice try, but it's not even a half-hearted attempt.
Jay Utah and Abaddon are just like defendant attorneys in a murder case. They know very well their client is guilty, so their only course is to attack the evidence and the expert witnesses of the prosecution. Attack, attack, attack. And when all else fails, pound the table. But as to evidence for their side, they have none.
Projection. Psyc 101.
 
Just read their blogs and website.

Hating Kate (Post and efail) - allowed racists comments on her "articles" when the site was not a Pay to read site.

Orly - let's a slew of racist remarks through

Birtherreport or the Obama Challenge site - allows a lot of racists remarks through

Freeperville - many of the remarks concern Michelle Obama , always referring to her as a "Moose", "Moo-chelle", Sasquatch, Wookie and the like


Oh they are VERY blatant about their racism.

I think I'll save my sanity and take your word for it. Most that I've read about the birther sect I got from here. Somehow I suspect most of the birther support comes from down south, at least the attitudes are very much to that effect.

And now that you mentioned it, sheriff Joe's actions seem to be solidly in the all out racist arena, as much I've understood from discussions here.
 
How much do you want to bet that if the Obama campaign had released a digital copy that met the standards the Birthers are asking for, that they would complain that it was obviously forged because it lacked the anomalies expected by scanning and optimizing the document?


Basically, whatever they released would not have been accepted. We've got to the point now where RP is arguing that the copies of the birth certificate that have been released are evidence that Hawaii has committed fraud.

There is literally nothing that could be released that would convince them - they would just move the goalposts again.
 
Robert, you continue to miss the point. If need arose, I would be happy to hand my bank details to JayUtah, sts60, pakeha, nomuse, and any amount that I have not mentioned. Why can you not step up and earn that kind of trust?

Apologies to those omitted.

I don't drink Jay's Kook-Aid.
 
Indeed. As I responded earlier, the Birthers are relegated to the same pixel-wise "anomaly" hunting that we see from people who claim there are alien ruins on Mars and Nazi bases on the Moon. "See these eight pixels? If I wiggle the Photoshop sliders, they turn into what's obviously and alien proboscis!"

That's true desperation.



Oh, right -- the "Inept Forger" theory. I see kids making fake IDs with greater proficiency than the Birthers' imaginary forger has employed. Hence the devolution into "Oh, the forger must have been secretly trying to blow the whistle." Neither the Inept Forger or the Disloyal Forger theory makes a lick of sense. It does, however, explain the stumbling, groping, frantic process the Birthers have employed in changing their speculation to cover up obvious holes in their theory.



What a shocker! You can turn objects on an off and make parts of the composite image appear and disappear!



I.e., a portion of the background copied to a smaller image object during optimization so that when all objects are rendered with their associated bitmasks, the result is a reasonably seamless optimized image.



Nope. The rocket scientists at WND are looking at one object in an optimized (i.e., post-processed) PDF, not a raw image obtained by a scanner. The notion that what they see in one or two objects is exactly what the scanner (or a human eyeball) would see by looking at the paper source is just frankly astoundingly ignorant. I couldn't ask for a more clueless theory than what I just read. Of course none of WND's wide-eyed, slack-jawed readers will know anything about this, so it's easy for them to just make crap up.

This is what happens when your case is based on what you read in the tabloids. Who do they claim forged the birth certificate? Bigfoot? Bat Boy? The love child of Elvis and a space alien?


So, Scanners do have x-ray vision????
 
Yes there can be excuse made. I really do not care, as stated earlier, if your president was born in Timbuktoo. If you are willing to engage me to professionally analyse these files, then it will be on a cash up front basis. Otherwise I will do so as time allows. Or inclination.

You seem to think that I owe you an analysis. No. As a professional, what I sell is what I know. You know, my expertise. That I may chose to post here in my slack time is irrelevant.

It is fun though, to expose you.

Real scientific argument is all about replication. Nothing else will suffice.
 
And I offered to do so if you were willing to foot the bill.

Foot the bill? All you have to do is use your own equipment, draw a shape, color it baby blue, and scan it so it comes out tile checked green. You don't need the forger's equipment for that.
 
Basically, whatever they released would not have been accepted. We've got to the point now where RP is arguing that the copies of the birth certificate that have been released are evidence that Hawaii has committed fraud.

There is literally nothing that could be released that would convince them - they would just move the goalposts again.

Given the history of The Anointed One's other documents (Forged Selective Service card, A SS card from Connecticut, sealed college transcripts, etc., etc.,) it is not unreasonable to suppose that all of the rest of his life is just as fraudulent, including the place of his alleged birth.
 
I think I'll save my sanity and take your word for it. Most that I've read about the birther sect I got from here. Somehow I suspect most of the birther support comes from down south, at least the attitudes are very much to that effect.

And now that you mentioned it, sheriff Joe's actions seem to be solidly in the all out racist arena, as much I've understood from discussions here.

So the enforcement of immigration law is racist?
 
The degraded text in the PDF is caused by quantization during the PDF optimization process, and has been demonstrated ad nauseam by real experts.

The optimization argument is a straw man by reason of the fact that no serious birther has denied that there may well be evidence of optimization. But together with the evidence of a digitized image, what we have here in the COLB is a digitized forgery that may well have been optimized.
 
No RP you have shown you do not understand how digital documentation works so now provide any REAL evidence for forgery presently you have NONE
 
JayUtah;8626151 A more likely explanation is the staffer who was assigned to make copies for the press quickly realized that the safety paper would make this difficult. He therefore fiddled with the contrast and image-quality settings on the copier until enough of the safety-paper pattern had been eliminated said:
Which would make the certified copy handed to the AP not a copy of the original document.
 
The optimization argument is a straw man by reason of the fact that no serious birther has denied that there may well be evidence of optimization. But together with the evidence of a digitized image, what we have here in the COLB is a digitized forgery that may well have been optimized.

What progress have you made finding a multicoloured pixel?

Or printing Pantone 877?
 
Say Robert, no snide remarks on how Hawaii has once again certified that Barack Obama was born there? I mean, it only goes and render your trollingargument even more pointless.
 
Given the history of The Anointed One's other documents (Forged Selective Service card, A SS card from Connecticut, sealed college transcripts, etc., etc.,) it is not unreasonable to suppose that all of the rest of his life is just as fraudulent, including the place of his alleged birth.


Given the lack of evidence supporting your allegations of fraud...

Baloney.
 
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