Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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As I have mentioned here, I have done EXACTLY the same with my own birth certificate and created similar results to what you get with Obama's Birth Certificate.

Is this fraud? No. Is this tampering? No. Is it down to a computer program optimising the document? Yes.

Hawaii, the lawful body in question, and experts when it comes to Hawaii Birth Certification, have stated that what the White House released to the public is what they have. Why Birthers can't understand this I do not know.
 
Robert Prey said:
When you click the expand tab in Illustrator, it betrays layers as you very well should know.
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Have you ever actually used Illustrator? Don't tell other people what you think I know. On this point you're simply factually false.

You may call them groups, elements, objects or bananas, but everyone else save for a few "deep thinkers" on this board, call them LAYERS.
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Nope. Only you. As explained in now-absurd detail, Illustrator's panel shows you the entire document hierarchy, only some of which are layers. You still have not been able to explain why Illustrator's own reported count of Layers stands at 1 for the Obama PDF. The Birthers desperately need those other entities to be "Layers" because that was their premature claim, and they have to save face.

And the word "stupidity" is an ad hominem attack used in place of rational argument.
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And the word "Baloney" is a desperate dismissal of the rational argument I've been handing you for several days now, and to which you still have no material response.

PDF Layers as versus Illustrator layers is a distinction without a substantive difference.
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I explained the substantive differences at length. Your denial now is just absurd.

The idea is the betrayal of a digital creation.
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Total nonsense.

Three times in the past two days now I've scanned a publication, saved it as an optimized PDF, and imported it in Illustrator to find a Layers display no different than that of the Obama PDF -- one Layer and several constituent objects.

Begging the long-debunked Birther's argument is now simply desperation on your point. Your argument has been empirically refuted.
 
Robert Prey said:
Not a very good answer. When I scan blue it comes out blue, not green. So which one is a copy of the original and which is the fake?
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But what about an ink-jet printout versus a color photocopy?

Color gamuts and color-space conversions are part of what we learn as computer scientists and the explanation for why color rendition varies from instance to instance.

Sorry, but the world refuses to dumb itself down to conform to your simplistic expectations.
 
Robert Prey said:


When you click the expand tab in Illustrator, it betrays layers as you very well should know. You may call them groups, elements, objects or bananas, but everyone else save for a few "deep thinkers" on this board, call them LAYERS. And the word "stupidity" is an ad hominem attack used in place of rational argument. PDF Layers as versus Illustrator layers is a distinction without a substantive difference. The idea is the betrayal of a digital creation.
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How could a file generated by scanning a paper document into a computer be anything but a digital creation? Birther "experts" have managed to prove that the pdf posted on the web came from a computer. Devastating.
 
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Robert Prey said:
Nonsense. It has a very direct bearing when you open it up in Illustrator where even a PDF 1.3 will betray LAYERS.
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Factually false, and demonstrated as such.

And the proof of that is the Obama COLB, in which Illustrator betrays its LAYERS. Deal with it.
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Nothing to deal with. You're simply wrong. You desperately want to rename objects as "layers" to cover the initial Birther error. No amount of desperate handwaving or word games on your part will remove that "1 Layer" legend at the bottom of the Illustrator Layers panel when you import the Obama PDF.

You know it's there. You know you can't explain it. The courts know you can't explain it. As I said, you're in way over your head here. You're frantically Googling for every instance of the word "Layer" on Adobe's web site in hopes that you can stir up enough doubt to make Jay seen non-credible. How's that working for you?
 
Robert Prey said:
A distinction without a difference. When you open Obama's COLB Pdf 1.3 in Illustrator, it betrays Layers as you very well know.
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There you go again, attempting brain surgery with a spoon.

Would you attempt to open a can of beans with a chainsaw?

You use the right tool for the job at hand. Illustrator is not the right tool for this job.

This has been explained in detail. Any further simplification of the concepts is not possible without becoming meaningless.

For the last time, there are NO layers in the PDF. PDF 1.3 does not support layers at all.
 
Robert Prey said:
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Not even you bothered to notice. Like how about that blue background in the AP "copy" but green background on the PDF?
Gamut. try to learn.



Not a very good answer. When I scan blue it comes out blue, not green. So which one is a copy of the original and which is the fake?
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I see, so you have clearly understood the differences between the CMYK, RGB and HSB colour spaces, and how that affects your results, yes?
 
Robert Prey said:


When you click the expand tab in Illustrator, it betrays layers as you very well should know. You may call them groups, elements, objects or bananas, but everyone else save for a few "deep thinkers" on this board, call them LAYERS.
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And, y'know, Illustrator itself.

And the word "stupidity" is an ad hominem attack used in place of rational argument.
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As is "baloney", "moonshine", "technobabble"...

PDF Layers as versus Illustrator layers is a distinction without a substantive difference. The idea is the betrayal of a digital creation.
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If there's no real difference, when why do you refuse to budge from Illustrator's interpretation? Why not discuss Photoshop's? Or Acrobat's? Or even Reader's?
 
If there's no real difference, when why do you refuse to budge from Illustrator's interpretation? Why not discuss Photoshop's? Or Acrobat's? Or even Reader's?
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Chuck in Ghostscript to make it interesting.

ETA: I toasted the quote tags, oops.

And

ETA2: See how easy it is to admit an error.
 
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"Joe Montgomery, who filed the challenge with the all-Republican panel, said Obama should be removed from the Kansas ballot. The president's father was from Kenya and that raised questions about whether Obama was eligible to run for the nation's highest office, he said."
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I wonder what his reaction will be when he learns where Romney's father was born.

-- Roger
 
JayUtah said:
But what about an ink-jet printout versus a color photocopy?

Color gamuts and color-space conversions are part of what we learn as computer scientists and the explanation for why color rendition varies from instance to instance.

Sorry, but the world refuses to dumb itself down to conform to your simplistic expectations.
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One of the reasons Macs gained an early lead in Publishing. native support for Colour Profiles from printer, scanner and display manufacturers in your Editorial office and the Rips, Image Setters and Presses at the Repro House.

I miss recalibrating big old CRTs and RIPS with Colour Meters.
When I worked for Getty Images weprinted a calibration sheet from the Fuji RIP every two hours, scanned it and recalibrated the displays. Artists retouching and working on Photo Scans recalibrated their displays every hour.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
One of the reasons Macs gained an early lead in Publishing. native support for Colour Profiles from printer, scanner and display manufacturers in your Editorial office and the Rips, Image Setters and Presses at the Repro House.
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LOL I see your mac and raise you a Hantcho web.

Captain_Swoop said:
I miss recalibrating big old CRTs and RIPS with Colour Meters.
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Colour calibration was a total disaster no matter how you slice it.

Captain_Swoop said:
When I worked for Getty Images weprinted a calibration sheet from the Fuji RIP every two hours, scanned it and recalibrated the displays. Artists retouching and working on Photo Scans recalibrated their displays every hour.
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You worked for Getty? You tried to sue me.
 
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You should see peoples faces when I calmly say to me as Support Engineer a MAC is just one more PC, but one thats more of a pain in the bum to fix.

I Like MAC PCS, I like non MAC PCs, I cannot stand Apple bunch of sharks pretending to be the consumers freind and tying their hands with Itunes and the like
 
has RP demanded to see Romney's birth certifcate?

Has Sheriff Arapio sent a posse to have it examined?
 
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