Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[Mashuna]

20120909.2155

@AdMan, #347

Should I discard the revelations of the spirit of Ama that Jesus was born on May 23 and died on August 17?

Yes, you should discard that revelation.

I have proven these myself to be true and correct in my studies.

No, you haven't

Did you know that a few days ago, I found another Holy Bible incident that His death really occurred in summer? I have cited before about the fig tree and the linen cloth.

You have cited those two things, you were remarkably unconvincing.

Why do you say that the spirit of Ama and the spirit of Ka Apaz are one and the same?

Because she's a fake who's lying to you.

That Ka Apaz is just faking as Ama?

They're the same thing.

Please read the messages of Ama said extemporaneously in http://aristean.org/pahayagxxx.htm where xxx is from 001 to 075. Some are lengthy. That is why I say, learn to pick out things that will be good for your soul and discard what is evil.

Just ignore the lying fake, and decide for yourself what is good and what is evil.

Some revelations of Ama are still being studied whether to accept them or not, like Reneliniyindi, Angelina Imden, Saint Evangeline. You help in evaluating them.

These have all been shown to be fake. You just ignored the evidenced and carried on as normal.

 

[hurdygurdy]

Some revelations of Ama are still being studied whether to accept them or not, like Reneliniyindi, Angelina Imden, Saint Evangeline. You help in evaluating them.

How about John the Baptist, the saint who witnessed the crucifixion and wrote the gospels years after his decapitation? Does it seem "logically correct" to you?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

20120910.1200

This is the translation to English of http://aristean.org/pahayag083.htm .

What was dug in Jerusalem

Ama: Now, regarding the burial place for Me which was the burial place that Nicodemus owned, as soon as I was not found in the tomb for three days, they built a church there that they call Venus and did not allow anyone into the church.
Marcial Aguila: Why?
Ama: They did not allow anyone in. Because, the people were very respectful that is why they did not allow anyone in.
In the desire of Queen Elena to get the cross to take care, including the nails, King Constantine fought. They were Moors. Saint Helena was a Moor. They warred against the Romans until the prince defeated them. As soon as they had Rome, immediately, the church [at Jerusalem] was demolished and the burial place excavated. And they really saw the burial place.
And they saw the three crosses and they also saw the twelve nails, eight of which are rusty already. The crosses were almost rotten due to a long period of time being buried. Then, they did not know which cross that Saint Helena desired. What they did then was put the cross beside a rich widow who was sick and about the die. About the die already.
Marcial: Yes.
Ama: And the illness went away. The reason why Queen Helena desired to get the cross was because her father king was sick and she thought that the cross would cure him.
And after those events, they gathered again, what is “kinalap”? – gathered together, the nail, the cross, the “birang”(?) (maybe the sign) and all the things that I used in My passion – that is passion?
Marcial: Yes.
Ama: They gathered together and put them at Mount Calvary – at the place of crucifixion that an angel got and took to Heaven. That is clear.

This transcription is from tape k15b, 15:16-18.19

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Are you aware, that according to the bible, John the baptist died before Jesus was crucified?


So, let me get this straight:

- We have a roman governor (in Cesarea), who died, yet the religious authorities of the occupied country (in Jerusalem) somehow got hold of his corpse despite all those roman soldiers around and threw it into the sea to calm a storm.
- The religious leaders apparently liked to rob the graves of dead criminals (which happen to be in Jerusalem) and then throw the stuff they got form the graves into the sea (which is a dayride or so away from Jerusalem) to calm storms.
- Nails can swim from Israel to Paris.

Yup, makes sense.

20120910.1525

@ixolite, #376

Yes, I am aware that Herod Antipas, the tetrarch of Galilee and Perea, had John the Baptist beheaded. The ministry of Jesus was only for three years – from 4 BC to 1 BC. John the Baptist may have started his ministry about 6 BC (http://aristean.org/wp055.htm titled “Time line during the time of Jesus”).

Herod Antipas was confused because he had John the Baptist beheaded but people said that John the Baptist had come back to life. I believe Jesus brought him back to life. If Jesus could make Lazarus lived again after being four days in the grave, how much more could He reattach the head of John the Baptist and made him lived again. Remember the apostle of Jesus named Simon Peter? He cut off the ear of Malchus, the High Priest’s slave. Jesus had the ear reattached (Matthew 26:51-54; Mark 14:47; Luke 22:49-51; John 18:10-11).

Pontius Pilate died when he was still in Jerusalem. When he was buried, it stormed, earth quaked and flooded. It did not stop. So they threw the corpse of Pontius Pilate into the sea. But the cruelty of the weather did not stop. It became more intense. Then the Pharisees threw one nail into the sea. And the weather calmed down. It is this nail that floated and ended up in Paris, France which Saint James found.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

How about John the Baptist, the saint who witnessed the crucifixion and wrote the gospels years after his decapitation? Does it seem "logically correct" to you?

20120910.2130

@hurdygurdy, #402

John the Baptist was beheaded during the ministry of Jesus, most likely, during the first year, because there are still his “disciples”. The disciples of John the Baptist came and carried his body and his decapitated head (Matthew 14:12; Mark 6:29), I believe, to Jesus who reattached the head to the body and made him lived again.

I remember what Ama said that John the Baptist was the groom at the wedding at Cana. When Jesus left the wedding with His mother, John the Baptist was with them. He left his newly-wed wife because he fulfilled his promise to her and joined his master.

 

[Agatha]

Did you do the translation/transcription of the session with Angelina (or Angelita) Imden?

 

[abaddon]

20120910.1200

This is the translation to English of http://aristean.org/pahayag083.htm .

Who cares?

What was dug in Jerusalem

Who cares?

Ama: Now, regarding the burial place for Me which was the burial place that Nicodemus owned, as soon as I was not found in the tomb for three days, they built a church there that they call Venus and did not allow anyone into the church.

It is not three day and three nights, no matter how you attempt to slice it.

Marcial Aguila: Why?
Ama: They did not allow anyone in. Because, the people were very respectful that is why they did not allow anyone in.

That is what charlatans do.

In the desire of Queen Elena to get the cross to take care, including the nails, King Constantine fought.

We got a new player in town. Who might Queen Elena be?

They were Moors. Saint Helena was a Moor. They warred against the Romans until the prince defeated them. As soon as they had Rome, immediately, the church [at Jerusalem] was demolished and the burial place excavated. And they really saw the burial place.

Did they see it, or did some twit write that they did?

And they saw the three crosses

No, they didn't. Really? The crosses were buried with the bodies?

and they also saw the twelve nails, eight of which are rusty already.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.
You earlier claimed in this thread that the two thieves were crucified with three nails while jebus was crucified with four to preserve symmetry. That makes 10 nails.

The crosses were almost rotten due to a long period of time being buried. Then, they did not know which cross that Saint Helena desired. What they did then was put the cross beside a rich widow who was sick and about the die. About the die already.
Marcial: Yes.
Ama: And the illness went away. The reason why Queen Helena desired to get the cross was because her father king was sick and she thought that the cross would cure him.
And after those events, they gathered again, what is “kinalap”? – gathered together, the nail, the cross, the “birang”(?) (maybe the sign) and all the things that I used in My passion – that is passion?
Marcial: Yes.
Ama: They gathered together and put them at Mount Calvary – at the place of crucifixion that an angel got and took to Heaven. That is clear.

This transcription is from tape k15b, 15:16-18.19

And finish with a flourish of conjecture piled upon conjecture. Have you any actual evidence that any of this is true?

 

[abaddon]

20120910.1525

@ixolite, #376

Yes, I am aware that Herod Antipas, the tetrarch of Galilee and Perea, had John the Baptist beheaded. The ministry of Jesus was only for three years – from 4 BC to 1 BC. John the Baptist may have started his ministry about 6 BC (http://aristean.org/wp055.htm titled “Time line during the time of Jesus”).

Herod Antipas was confused because he had John the Baptist beheaded but people said that John the Baptist had come back to life. I believe Jesus brought him back to life. If Jesus could make Lazarus lived again after being four days in the grave, how much more could He reattach the head of John the Baptist and made him lived again. Remember the apostle of Jesus named Simon Peter? He cut off the ear of Malchus, the High Priest’s slave. Jesus had the ear reattached (Matthew 26:51-54; Mark 14:47; Luke 22:49-51; John 18:10-11).

What? Now jebus is reattaching severed heads? Where did you get that?
And the verses you quote. Let us see about that

Matty 26:51-54

26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
Did Jesus come to bring peace?
26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

No re-attaching there.

Mark 14:47

14:47 And one of them that stood by drew a sword, and smote a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.

No re-attaching there either.

Luke
22:49 When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword?
22:50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.
22:51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

No re-attaching there either.

John 18:10-11

18:10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus. Jesus's Trial
18:11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

Still no reattaching. Fail.

Pontius Pilate died when he was still in Jerusalem. When he was buried, it stormed, earth quaked and flooded. It did not stop. So they threw the corpse of Pontius Pilate into the sea. But the cruelty of the weather did not stop. It became more intense. Then the Pharisees threw one nail into the sea. And the weather calmed down. It is this nail that floated and ended up in Paris, France which Saint James found.

Got any evidence that this actually happened?

 

[rickps]

Then the Pharisees threw one nail into the sea. And the weather calmed down. It is this nail that floated and ended up in Paris, France which Saint James found.

Let's pretend that the Pharisees threw a nail into the sea to calm the weather. Let's also pretend that some time later this James chap picked up a nail in Paris. How on Earth can you conclusively prove that the nails are the same?

 

[hurdygurdy]

Ama: And the illness went away. The reason why Queen Helena desired to get the cross was because her father king was sick and she thought that the cross would cure him.

Helena was of low social standing, so his father couldn't be a king. She was Bithynian and his son Constantine was born in Dardania (present-day Serbia), so they weren't Moors either. Now you can add a few more lies from Ama/Ka Apaz.

20120910.2130

@hurdygurdy, #402

John the Baptist was beheaded during the ministry of Jesus, most likely, during the first year, because there are still his “disciples”. The disciples of John the Baptist came and carried his body and his decapitated head (Matthew 14:12; Mark 6:29), I believe, to Jesus who reattached the head to the body and made him lived again.

I remember what Ama said that John the Baptist was the groom at the wedding at Cana. When Jesus left the wedding with His mother, John the Baptist was with them. He left his newly-wed wife because he fulfilled his promise to her and joined his master.

The amazing attachment isn't in the Bible, so I guess that you believe it because Ama/Ka Apaz told you so. What evaluations have you done to determine it's "logically correct"?

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[Blue Mountain]

<snip>
Yes, I am aware that Herod Antipas, the tetrarch of Galilee and Perea, had John the Baptist beheaded. The ministry of Jesus was only for three years – from 4 BC to 1 BC. John the Baptist may have started his ministry about 6 BC (http://aristean.org/wp055.htm titled “Time line during the time of Jesus”).

The dates of 4 BC - 1 BC are commonly given as a date range of Jesus' birth. His ministry is believed to have started thirty years after that, which would have it starting as early as 26 AD and ending as late as 32 AD.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

You would think were such a remarkable fact true it would have at least been mentioned in the Gospels, wouldn't you?


I'm not going to try to dig up the post, but I believe PC has said he's spoken to "Angelina" via the old witch.

BTW, an interesting fact--years ago PC was referring to her as Angelita, which I would think is a much less common name in England than Angelina (and a lot more common in the Philippines, with the diminutive suffixes -ita and -ito from Spanish...).

20120910.2200

@AdMan, #378

Was the height of Jesus unbelievable? I have cited to you about the short stature Zacchaeus in Luke 19:1-10. Ama confirmed that what Akiana Kramarik painted was actually Jesus and the very tall carpenter that she used as the model, I believe, was Jesus Himself.

That was a typographical error. It should be Angelina Imden and not Angelita Imden.

Please see my posting at talk.philosophy.misc on 11 Jul 1999 at groups.google.com/.../talk.philosophy.../1999-07?_...%2Fgroup%2Ft... or google Angelina Imden talk philosophy.

Please also google Angelina Imden true meaning Christmas to see my posting on 7 Dec 1999.

 

[abaddon]

20120910.2200

@AdMan, #378

Was the height of Jesus unbelievable?

Yup.

I have cited to you about the short stature Zacchaeus in Luke 19:1-10.

Evidence that he existed outside of the babble?

Ama confirmed that what Akiana Kramarik painted was actually Jesus and the very tall carpenter that she used as the model, I believe, was Jesus Himself.

We already know ama lies.

That was a typographical error. It should be Angelina Imden and not Angelita Imden.

Yet still does not exist.

Please see my posting at talk.philosophy.misc on 11 Jul 1999 at groups.google.com/.../talk.philosophy.../1999-07?_...%2Fgroup%2Ft... or google Angelina Imden talk philosophy.

Nope. Not going on a wild goose chase. Present your evidence here.

Please also google Angelina Imden true meaning Christmas to see my posting on 7 Dec 1999.

If you typed it there you can type it here, so no.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

The dates of 4 BC - 1 BC are commonly given as a date range of Jesus' birth. His ministry is believed to have started thirty years after that, which would have it starting as early as 26 AD and ending as late as 32 AD.

20120910.2325

@Blue Mountain, #411

You are using the birth of Jesus at 1 BC calculated by Dionysius Exiguus more than 500 years after the fact. Another thing is that he was assuming that the Jews were using only the Jewish lunisolar calendar similar to what is used today. Was he correct?

Ama said that Jesus was born on May 23 and died on August 17. I found that they are true and correct. The year when He born was 33 BC and when He died, 1 BC. You may check my studies at http://aristean.org/may23birth.htm and http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm .

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Did you do the translation/transcription of the session with Angelina (or Angelita) Imden?

20120910.2340

@Agatha, #406

I will try my best to post the first part of the translation tomorrow. I think Angelina Imden does not want to reveal her whereabouts in England because of the 75 bodies that are in her possession which have been dug in different parts of the world as of 1992.

 

[jsfisher]

20120910.2325

@Blue Mountain, #411

You are using the birth of Jesus at 1 BC calculated by Dionysius Exiguus more than 500 years after the fact. Another thing is that he was assuming that the Jews were using only the Jewish lunisolar calendar similar to what is used today. Was he correct?

The evidence would suggest he was. Got any contradictory evidence. Bare assumptions don't count as evidence.

Ama said that Jesus was born on May 23 and died on August 17. I found that they are true and correct. The year when He born was 33 BC and when He died, 1 BC. You may check my studies at http://aristean.org/may23birth.htm and http://aristean.org/crucifyidx.htm .

No, you didn't prove it to be true and correct. Instead you presumed a sequence of improbably circumstances necessary to protect your belief. That's a form of confirmation bias, not proof.

 

[Agatha]

20120910.2340

@Agatha, #406

I will try my best to post the first part of the translation tomorrow. I think Angelina Imden does not want to reveal her whereabouts in England because of the 75 bodies that are in her possession which have been dug in different parts of the world as of 1992.

The thing about England is that it's really rather difficult to hide one's whereabouts. Identities are known, addresses are known, people have to be registered to vote and are therefore traceable. Her source of income has to be known either to the DWP or to HMRC.

A woman who supposedly 'leads a religious group', keeps 75 dead bodies in coffins in her house (which would take up a lot of space), and is reputedly taller than the country's tallest known woman is not going to be able to hide her whereabouts if she exists. On the other hand, if she is a figment of Ka Apaz's imagination, like the fake saint and the fake Egyptian princess, she won't be found.

I see I'm going to have to repeat my posts correcting your misunderstanding of the Jewish calendar and the intercalary month. But I'm going to make a chocolate cake first - it will go quite well with the Dom Perignon.

 

[hurdygurdy]

I will try my best to post the first part of the translation tomorrow. I think Angelina Imden does not want to reveal her whereabouts in England because of the 75 bodies that are in her possession which have been dug in different parts of the world as of 1992.

Please post the translation. You're doing and excellent job providing evidences that Ka Apaz is a compulsive liar and a false prophet.

 

[tsig]

20120910.2340

@Agatha, #406

I will try my best to post the first part of the translation tomorrow. I think Angelina Imden does not want to reveal her whereabouts in England because of the 75 bodies that are in her possession which have been dug in different parts of the world as of 1992.

I'd think the smell would be a dead giveaway.

 

[svenax]

20120910.1200

This is the translation to English of http://aristean.org/pahayag083.htm .

What was dug in Jerusalem

Ama: Now, regarding the burial place for Me which was the burial place that Nicodemus owned, as soon as I was not found in the tomb for three days, they built a church there that they call Venus and did not allow anyone into the church.
Marcial Aguila: Why?
Ama: They did not allow anyone in. Because, the people were very respectful that is why they did not allow anyone in.
In the desire of Queen Elena to get the cross to take care, including the nails, King Constantine fought. They were Moors. Saint Helena was a Moor. They warred against the Romans until the prince defeated them. As soon as they had Rome, immediately, the church [at Jerusalem] was demolished and the burial place excavated. And they really saw the burial place.
And they saw the three crosses and they also saw the twelve nails, eight of which are rusty already. The crosses were almost rotten due to a long period of time being buried. Then, they did not know which cross that Saint Helena desired. What they did then was put the cross beside a rich widow who was sick and about the die. About the die already.
Marcial: Yes.
Ama: And the illness went away. The reason why Queen Helena desired to get the cross was because her father king was sick and she thought that the cross would cure him.
And after those events, they gathered again, what is “kinalap”? – gathered together, the nail, the cross, the “birang”(?) (maybe the sign) and all the things that I used in My passion – that is passion?
Marcial: Yes.
Ama: They gathered together and put them at Mount Calvary – at the place of crucifixion that an angel got and took to Heaven. That is clear.

This transcription is from tape k15b, 15:16-18.19

Disregarding everything else that is wrong in this text, neither Helena, nor her husband or her son were Moors. They also did not war against Rome. Her husband, Constantius Clorus, was a high ranking officer in the Roman legions. Due to some political trickery, he managed to get appointed as Praetorian Prefect, and later as Caesar in the Tetrarchy instigated by Diocletian. During this time he made Trier his capital and fought successfully all around northern europe and Britannia.

At around year 305, Diocletian and his co-regent Maximian stepped down. The original intention was then to promote the two Caesars, Constantius and Galerius to Augustus, and their sons, Constantine the Great and Maxentius to Caesars. Some more political trickery put a stop to this and Constantine joined his father in his campaign in Britannia. After a year of campaigning Constantius died, and his son was proclaimed emperor by the garrison in York. Gaul and Brittanny soon followed. After finishing the campaigns in Brittannia, Constantine moved his seat of government to Trier where he greatly expanded the city. He stayed away from the internal fighting among the other members of the Tetrarchy until 310, when he went to war agaist Maxentius who was defeated. At this point he entered Rome, parading Maxenitus decapitated head (see, more cut off heads). He later sent that to Carthage, which promptly surrendered.

With the support of the people, he now threw out the Tetrarchy and made himself the sole emperor. After a while he moved his seat of government to Constantinople, where he ruled until he died in 337.

See PC, this is information easily available on the internet. You should try to check the stories given to you by Ama / Ka Apaz yourself sometime, instead of just buying into every word you hear.