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Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

PeaceCrusader said:
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@Warrior1461, #121

There are four nails used in the crucifixion of Jesus. Not six. Not even three. They are in Carpentras, France; Milan, Italy; Rome, Italy; and Paris, France. (Pasiong Mahal, pages 203-204)

In Carpentras, the nail is paraded on Feast Day as “Clavo Santo”. In Milan, the nail is located in a church (or cathedral). In Rome, St. Helen put the nail in a diadem of her son, Emperor Constantine. It is located in a temple in Rome. And the nail that ended in Paris was thrown into Adriatic Sea which floated inspite of it being made of metal. In Paris, it maybe in the Basilica of Saint Denis, the Patron Saint of France. Saint Denis is also called Dionysius, Dennis, or Denys.

Please check the nails in Carpentras, Milan, and Rome. They should be eight-sided. Not four sides but eight sides.
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Which did you use to 'nail' your no Olympics nonsensical claim ??
Floating iron nails riiiiiight
 
PeaceCrusader said:
If that nail in Milan is similar to the one fashioned by Saint Helen for her son Emperor Constantine, then let us see how the one in Rome looks like, and compare.
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Very well, here is an old picture taken from a pdf of the history of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme, Roma. Since the nail is inside a reliquary, it is not that easy to find clear pictures. This was the best I could do without spending a lot of time searching.

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The source is here: http://www.santacroceroma.it/pubblicazioni.php

So, does it look octogonal? No, definitely square.
 
Who the hell decided that any of these Jesus-touched objects were meant to be venerated, anyway?

All of these are obviously cheap medieval tourist scams.
 
The very idea that Empress Helena went swanning about the Middle East successfully inventing the profession of archaeologist is absurd. It strikes me as utterly implausible--even if there was a Jesus, and even if he was crucified, and even if they used metal nails for the execution--that any of those nails would have survived intact, then been located centuries later by devotees of his death cult. Objects were re-used, refashioned, melted down and cast into new objects.

I can readily imagine something like this happening, for instance:

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Lovely work as always, BSM.

tsig said:
Is there still blood on them? If so we can type it an compare it with the blood on the shroud of Turin.
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:rolleyes:



svenax said:
Very well, here is an old picture taken from a pdf of the history of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme, Roma. Since the nail is inside a reliquary, it is not that easy to find clear pictures. This was the best I could do without spending a lot of time searching.

The source is here: http://www.santacroceroma.it/pubblicazioni.php

So, does it look octogonal? No, definitely square.
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Great Google-fu!
What route did you you use to find that photo?
 
svenax said:
Very well, here is an old picture taken from a pdf of the history of Santa Croce in Gerusalemme, Roma. Since the nail is inside a reliquary, it is not that easy to find clear pictures. This was the best I could do without spending a lot of time searching.

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The source is here: http://www.santacroceroma.it/pubblicazioni.php

So, does it look octogonal? No, definitely square.
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Not "octobado" either, so we can add another fiasco from the True God's spokesperson. If there were an Olympiad of lies, Ama would be Michael Phelps.
 
pakeha said:
Great Google-fu!
What route did you you use to find that photo?
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I used common sense. :) Basically I searched for the official home page of the church, as I thought it would be likely they would have pictures of their most venerated relics. And as there were no images available directly on the site, I checked for linked documents.
 
All roads lead to Rome!
I went via 'nail relic' and didn't get to that lovely photo.
It's always good to learn new ways of using Google.
 
And as PC probably will ask for images of the Paris nail next, let's just say it again: There is no nail from the holy cross in Paris. None!
 
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svenax said:
And as PC probably will ask for images of the Paris nail next, let's just say it again: There is no nail from the holy cross in Paris. None!
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Not one that's in any way advertised...





:boxedin:
 
Are any of the claimed nails even verified as coming from the right time period? Wouldn't they be rusted into powder by now?
 
Stomatopoda said:
Are any of the claimed nails even verified as coming from the right time period? Wouldn't they be rusted into powder by now?
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Depends etirely on how they would have been kept, but this really shows the basic trick of all this:

Crucifiction nails, burial shroud, etc.... Skeptics are quickly lured into discussing secondary issues, like how can we see they are old enough, would they be made in this way, wouldn't they look like...

However, the basic isssue is that we have no evidence that Jesus ever existed. So the references for these discussions are entirely fictional, and I think the reason believers are so keen on these debates is that they really reinforce the basic meme 'Jesus existed'. Even if we can show that these nails are not the right ones, we still reinforce the meme that the real nails, and Jesus, have existed.

Hans
 
AdMan said:
Who the hell decided that any of these Jesus-touched objects were meant to be venerated, anyway?

All of these are obviously cheap medieval tourist scams.
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Haven't you been involved in the latest shroud thread? The depths that believers will descend to in order to reinforce their weak faith.......
:rolleyes:
 
svenax said:
And as PC probably will ask for images of the Paris nail next, let's just say it again: There is no nail from the holy cross in Paris. None!
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@svenax, #172

This is what is in the book “Awit at Salaysay ng Pasiong Mahal” first published in 1884 on page 204:

“At ito ring pakong mahal
ang sa dagat binitiwan
ang nasa Paris na bayan,
sa Templong lubhang mainam
ni San Dionisiong banal.”

English translation:
“And this is also the beloved nail
that was dropped into the sea
which is in the town of Paris,
in a Temple that is good
for the holy Saint Dionysius.”

From Wikipedia, Saint Denis (also called Dionysius, Dennis, or Denys) was the Bishop of Paris in the third century AD. He is the patron of Paris, France. The medieval and modern French name “Denis” derives from the ancient name Dionysius.

There is in Paris called the Saint Denis Basilica which became the burial place for the kings of France.
 
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